Topic: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] - page 47. (Read 630089 times)

"Mr Slaughters companies continue to operate without the need for additional investment"

So AMC/VMC will keep running for those investors who decide not to get a refund?

On March 6th on Cryptotrade there was a large buy order set at .00001, and any order above that would get sold into immediately. Someone dumped over 1.3 million shares at this price in a several hour span (most at .00001001), then they pulled their buy order. It definitely felt like someone with access to the "issue-new-shares" button.

On March 6th on Cryptotrade there was a large buy order set at .00001, and any order above that would get sold into immediately. Someone dumped over 1.3 million shares at this price in a several hour span (most at .00001001), then they pulled their buy order. It definitely felt like someone with access to the "issue-new-shares" button.

Zero.  CT is nothing more than a secondary market.  So long as Ken isn't there selling new shares to new unaccredited investors.

I wonder what the chances are that anyone having sold shares through CT since the cease and desist will be prosecuted. 

"Mr Slaughters companies continue to operate without the need for additional investment"

So AMC/VMC will keep running for those investors who decide not to get a refund?

where is Ken's own press release ??

My understanding of it is Ken is no longer allowed to issue more shares.
He stated in his own press release through his lawyer that this would not be a problem as he would not be seeking further investment.

^They'll nevar get The Kenneth!



And when they try to get me
I just run awa-hay
We've been doin' this for a long long time
Babe you gotta love me for my life of criiiiiiiiiiime

Get the message now!?

Which part?  You mean the "law" that exists?  It's a law.  Laws can't be broken again just because you pay a fine.  You don't get to keep speeding because you paid a speeding ticket once.

He'd be breaking the law again and again by continuing to operate the fund for unaccredited investors.  He doesn't get a free pass by paying the fine one time.

I dunno how else to explain it.  You might want to call and talk to your lawyer or maybe call the MSD youself and ask about it, they'll explain that to you.  You can pretend you're ZZ so you won't get in any trouble if you're afraid they'll come to your house and take your bike or something.

JPMORGAN: The SEC charged the firm with misleading investors in offerings of residential mortgage-backed securities. It agreed to pay $296.9 million to settle the SEC's charges. (11/16/12)

CITIGROUP: The charge was misleading investors about a $1 billion CDO tied to the housing market in which Citigroup bet against investors as the market showed signs of distress. The settlement was $285 million that would be returned to harmed investors. (10/19/11)

GOLDMAN SACHS: The SEC charged the firm with defrauding investors by misstating and omitting key facts about a financial product tied to subprime mortgages as the U.S. housing market was beginning to falter. Goldman agreed to pay a record penalty in a $550 million settlement and reform its business practices. (7/15/10)

CREDIT SUISSE SECURITIES: The SEC charged it with misleading investors in an offering of residential mortgage-backed securities. Credit Suisse agreed to pay $120 million to settle the SEC's charges. (11/16/12)

CHARLES SCHWAB: The SEC charged entities and executives with making misleading statements to investors in marketing a mutual fund heavily invested in mortgage-backed and other risky securities. The Schwab entities paid more than $118 million to settle charges.

MORGAN KEEGAN: The firm agreed to pay $100 million to the SEC and two employees also agreed to pay penalties, including one who agreed to be barred from the securities industry. (6/22/11)

STATE STREET: The SEC charged the firm with misleading investors about exposure to subprime investments while selectively disclosing more complete information to favored investors. State Street agreed to repay investors more than $300 million to settle the charges. (2/4/10)

BANK of AMERICA: The SEC charged the company with misleading investors about billions of dollars in bonuses being paid to Merrill Lynch executives at the time of its acquisition of the firm, and failing to disclose extraordinary losses that Merrill sustained. Bank of America paid $150 million to settle charges. (2/4/10)

Look, even if Ken pays the fine and refunds the people who want out, Ken is not allowed to then continue to have shares with folks who aren't accredited investors.  It's like running a prostitution business, getting busted once and then saying, "Well it's cool we can keep running the business this way because we paid a fine."  No, you can't.  He'll get fined again if it continues.

Only Ken said that people can stay in.  The MSD didn't say that.  They said Ken has to cease the shares activity and pay refunds.  If you stay in, Ken is still never going to be able to pay you a dividend. Not unless you become an accredited investor.  That's the law. 

You are flushing all your money away if you don't take the refund.  Ken will be forced to abandon the remaining shareholders by law.

Do you think that he's going to just keep doing it?  My God...  The next investigation would be the SEC that will tear him apart and throw him in jail.  He's not going to risk that to give you a few hundred Satoshi.

The only reason Ken is saying it'll be business as usual is that, well for him it will be but not for you.  And if you don't get a refund, well then he never has to pay you anything. 

You guys are holding onto nothing.  Ken can't get around the law.  The law says he cannot have shares with you if you're not accredited.  Go get accredited if you want to stay in it.  Otherwise, you'll never get another Satoshi from Ken regardless if he suddenly appeared with a miracle chip in hand.  You get nothing.

Also, that 100k value of the company's assets means nothing.  You didn't purchase equity shares, you purchased profit shares.  They are worthless.  Without financials, you can't ever prove there were profits.

I have been lurking since June and decided to join today mostly because of the BS I see on this board.  I have a bunch of shares as well and truly believe in Ken.  We had a few PMs back and forth during the exchange fiascos, and considering all the chaos it was for me, I can imagine how hard it is to organize all these shareholders and shares.  There are so many moving parts in our situation that the end of Nov info release issue is a major...minor detail....amongst many more pressing issues.  While I'm a natural sceptic at heart....which I think most of us that invest in cryptos are....I truly believe that Ken has his own and our best intrests at heart.  If anyone knows of Karl Denninger, Ken has that type of background and persona, and its a good thing in the end.  As the world shifts into this new paradigm, people like Ken already recognize that they have the potential to be on the top of the new hedgemonic scales.  Why would anyone sell out/scam after this much effort, and give up so much more potential power.  I find it funny as theprice of BTC goes up in value in Fiat more people get nervous, yet isn't it Fiat that we are all escaping?  In the end if all you have   is 1BTC free and not invested in anything, we all know that one BTC will give us all the individual power we will need in buying power.  Although I don't like the fact that Ken maybe quiet about the current situation, just remeber why we all probably picked this venture to invest in in the begining, since it was one of the best looking investments along with deprived's funds and crypto-trade.....they looked the best and most viable.   The most prudent fundmanagers/owners are taking the same position as Ken.  Deprived is also holding my shares and not paying dividneds, because once you start treating shares of the same entity differently the shares automatically become non fungible.....Don't forget boys this is still very much the Wild wild west of investing.   Go with that mindset and everything will be fine.......its friday. Bring on the women!!!!!