ActiveMining Overview and Speculation Thread - page 64.

grimholt

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Quote from: ffssixtynine on July 28, 2013, 06:22:28 PM

You've misunderstood the spreadsheet. That's the cumulative dividends assuming 50% is retained for reinvestment (which no one knows).

Read the dividends/share/month column and then halve it if you also want to assume a 50% reinvestment. And yes, it is months, don't confuse it with weeks!

0.02 is realistic. Anything up to 0.08 is possible, it all depends upon the competition and hardware sell through. Anything above 0.02 is too much until we hit oct/nov though.

Probably misunderstanding something here, but how can it be cumulative when the 'Dividends/share/month' number decreases between some of the months?

fallensound

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Quote from: ffssixtynine on July 28, 2013, 06:22:28 PM

0.02 is realistic. Anything up to 0.08 is possible, it all depends upon the competition and hardware sell through. Anything above 0.02 is too much until we hit oct/nov though.

Assuming a rational market. That's a very strong assumption

Plazma

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Quote from: ffssixtynine on July 28, 2013, 06:22:28 PM

You've misunderstood the spreadsheet. That's the cumulative dividends assuming 50% is retained for reinvestment (which no me knows).

Read the dividend column and then halve it if was also want to assume a 50% reinvestment.

0.02 is realistic. Anything up to 0.08 is possible, it all depends upon the competition and hardware sell through. Anything above 0.02 is to much until we hit oct/nov though.

Thank you I did not know that it was cumulative dividends.

ffssixtynine

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You've misunderstood the spreadsheet. That's the cumulative dividends assuming 50% is retained for reinvestment (which no one knows).

Read the dividends/share/month column and then halve it if you also want to assume a 50% reinvestment. And yes, it is months, don't confuse it with weeks!

0.02 is realistic. Anything up to 0.08 is possible, it all depends upon the competition and hardware sell through. Anything above 0.02 is too much until we hit oct/nov though.

Plazma

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Quote from: FloatesMcgoates on July 28, 2013, 06:17:52 PM

Quote from: Plazma on July 28, 2013, 06:13:48 PM

Quote from: snowdropfore on July 28, 2013, 05:50:44 PM

Quote from: Plazma on July 28, 2013, 05:40:20 PM

Quote from: ffssixtynine on July 28, 2013, 04:44:17 PM

The right value for long term holds is probably around 0.02. I've heard a lot more argued for but a lot can happen before the hardware is on sale. In 3-4 months dividends will be very good though.

When eASIC issue a press release, we ought to head north of 0.01 as then the risk goes down a lot and it's just a case of holding.

I predict 1btc /share April

you mean April 2014.actm wil worth 1btc per share? Can you explain why? Or it just your day dream.

First do not trust me I'm not professional investor.

According to dividend estimates shown for April shown here:

Dividends for april are 0.00592 per share.
So I assumed share will cost what it takes for them to pay off in 3 years ( from what I have seen so far 33% annual return is extreamly high )
0.00592 ( dividends ) X 156 ( weeks in 3 years, since we get dividends once a week ) = 0.92352
if we assume they will cost what it takes for them to pay off in 5 years ( 20% annual return ) then price per share is =1.5392

Again, I'm not saying that they will cost that much. Just some best case scenario i guess. ( or who knows they might be worth even more )

Edit: I interested to see where other people are coming up with share prices like 0.1 or 0.15 or any other amount.

Your number makes absolutely no sense because then ActiveMining would be worth several times the amount of bitcoins that would ever come into existence.

There is no problem with any company costing more BTC then there are in circulation. No1 is going to sell the whole 25,000,000 at once for Bitcoins. ( if anything they will sell it for USD witch will cost like 2.5 billion usd )

There are tons of companys in the real worlds that cost more then the BTC in circulation.

FloatesMcgoates

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Quote from: Plazma on July 28, 2013, 06:13:48 PM

Quote from: snowdropfore on July 28, 2013, 05:50:44 PM

Quote from: Plazma on July 28, 2013, 05:40:20 PM

Quote from: ffssixtynine on July 28, 2013, 04:44:17 PM

The right value for long term holds is probably around 0.02. I've heard a lot more argued for but a lot can happen before the hardware is on sale. In 3-4 months dividends will be very good though.

When eASIC issue a press release, we ought to head north of 0.01 as then the risk goes down a lot and it's just a case of holding.

I predict 1btc /share April

you mean April 2014.actm wil worth 1btc per share? Can you explain why? Or it just your day dream.

First do not trust me I'm not professional investor.

According to dividend estimates shown for April shown here:

Dividends for april are 0.00592 per share.
So I assumed share will cost what it takes for them to pay off in 3 years ( from what I have seen so far 33% annual return is extreamly high )
0.00592 ( dividends ) X 156 ( weeks in 3 years, since we get dividends once a week ) = 0.92352
if we assume they will cost what it takes for them to pay off in 5 years ( 20% annual return ) then price per share is =1.5392

Again, I'm not saying that they will cost that much. Just some best case scenario i guess. ( or who knows they might be worth even more )

Edit: I interested to see where other people are coming up with share prices like 0.1 or 0.15 or any other amount.

Your number makes absolutely no sense because then ActiveMining would be worth several times the amount of bitcoins that would ever come into existence.

Plazma

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Quote from: snowdropfore on July 28, 2013, 05:50:44 PM

Quote from: Plazma on July 28, 2013, 05:40:20 PM

Quote from: ffssixtynine on July 28, 2013, 04:44:17 PM

The right value for long term holds is probably around 0.02. I've heard a lot more argued for but a lot can happen before the hardware is on sale. In 3-4 months dividends will be very good though.

When eASIC issue a press release, we ought to head north of 0.01 as then the risk goes down a lot and it's just a case of holding.

I predict 1btc /share April

you mean April 2014.actm wil worth 1btc per share? Can you explain why? Or it just your day dream.

First do not trust me I'm not professional investor.

According to dividend estimates shown for April shown here:

Dividends for april are 0.00592 per share.
So I assumed share will cost what it takes for them to pay off in 3 years ( from what I have seen so far 33% annual return is extreamly high )
0.00592 ( dividends ) X 156 ( weeks in 3 years, since we get dividends once a week ) = 0.92352
if we assume they will cost what it takes for them to pay off in 5 years ( 20% annual return ) then price per share is =1.5392

Again, I'm not saying that they will cost that much. Just some best case scenario i guess. ( or who knows they might be worth even more )

Edit: I interested to see where other people are coming up with share prices like 0.1 or 0.15 or any other amount.

Pale Phoenix

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I don't know if you guys are keeping up with the price on BTCTtctctct but I think we're going to hit .01 within the next 24 hours. The buying pressure is intense.

Ozymandias

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Quote from: snowdropfore on July 28, 2013, 05:50:44 PM

Quote from: Plazma on July 28, 2013, 05:40:20 PM

Quote from: ffssixtynine on July 28, 2013, 04:44:17 PM

The right value for long term holds is probably around 0.02. I've heard a lot more argued for but a lot can happen before the hardware is on sale. In 3-4 months dividends will be very good though.

When eASIC issue a press release, we ought to head north of 0.01 as then the risk goes down a lot and it's just a case of holding.

I predict 1btc /share April

you mean April 2014.actm wil worth 1btc per share? Can you explain why? Or it just your day dream.

Seem like just a troll. The absolute ceiling for ActM shares appears to be 0.15ish per share with a more realistic (though still very optimistic) valuation of 0.08 and it'd be considered a good value at 0.02*

*Assuming of course that most deadlines are met exactly and if they aren't, then missed only slightly

snowdropfore

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Quote from: Plazma on July 28, 2013, 05:40:20 PM

Quote from: ffssixtynine on July 28, 2013, 04:44:17 PM

The right value for long term holds is probably around 0.02. I've heard a lot more argued for but a lot can happen before the hardware is on sale. In 3-4 months dividends will be very good though.

When eASIC issue a press release, we ought to head north of 0.01 as then the risk goes down a lot and it's just a case of holding.

I predict 1btc /share April

you mean April 2014.actm wil worth 1btc per share? Can you explain why? Or it just your day dream.

Plazma

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Quote from: ffssixtynine on July 28, 2013, 04:44:17 PM

The right value for long term holds is probably around 0.02. I've heard a lot more argued for but a lot can happen before the hardware is on sale. In 3-4 months dividends will be very good though.

When eASIC issue a press release, we ought to head north of 0.01 as then the risk goes down a lot and it's just a case of holding.

I predict 1btc /share April

ffssixtynine

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The right value for long term holds is probably around 0.02. I've heard a lot more argued for but a lot can happen before the hardware is on sale. In 3-4 months dividends will be very good though.

When eASIC issue a press release, we ought to head north of 0.01 as then the risk goes down a lot and it's just a case of holding.

freedomno1

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Quote from: grimholt on July 28, 2013, 04:32:39 PM

Quote from: freedomno1 on July 28, 2013, 04:10:33 PM

Can I get some up to date speculation on why the price is surging

Everything went as planned with eASIC, which means chip development can start once the NRE has been fully paid. This pretty much ensures a bright future for both ACTM and it's shareholders.

Also, some more mining equipment is soon to arrive which will, once deployed, increase the total hashpower to around 6TH.

Thanks that sounds like favorable news I noticed the NRE but not the hash-power

Just found this too

AKA PAGE 1 LOL
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=254930.0;topicseen

grimholt

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Quote from: freedomno1 on July 28, 2013, 04:10:33 PM

Can I get some up to date speculation on why the price is surging

Everything went as planned with eASIC, which means chip development can start once the NRE has been fully paid. This pretty much ensures a bright future for both ACTM and it's shareholders.

Also, some more mining equipment is soon to arrive which will, once deployed, increase the total hashing power to around 6TH.

freedomno1

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Quote from: Pale Phoenix on July 28, 2013, 04:22:42 PM

TAT.MINIGAME has also seen some interesting price action over the last 24 hours, but it hasn't all been up up up like ActM.

I've got the realtime chart open on the flat screen. Add beer, and that's my Sunday afternoon entertainment.

Last I checked that thing just flatlined ha-ha
Remembers TAT put it up for double the price and it went down to mpex price pretty fast
But thanks looks interesting guess havelocks the sale for minigame good entertainment nothing like watching the stock exchange Xd

LaQue

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Quote from: boyohi on July 28, 2013, 04:23:03 PM

Quote from: LaQue on July 28, 2013, 04:18:52 PM

Quote from: freedomno1 on July 28, 2013, 04:10:33 PM

Can I get some up to date speculation on why the price is surging

i don't know but all these little 50-100share asks need to drop so we can clear the way for .0075+

looks like we just hit .0075+

not on bf

boyohi

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Quote from: LaQue on July 28, 2013, 04:18:52 PM

Quote from: freedomno1 on July 28, 2013, 04:10:33 PM

Can I get some up to date speculation on why the price is surging

i don't know but all these little 50-100share asks need to drop so we can clear the way for .0075+

looks like we just hit .0075+

Pale Phoenix

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TAT.MINIGAME has also seen some interesting price action over the last 24 hours, but it hasn't all been up up up like ActM.

I've got the realtime chart open on the flat screen. Add beer, and that's my Sunday afternoon entertainment.

LaQue

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Quote from: freedomno1 on July 28, 2013, 04:10:33 PM

Can I get some up to date speculation on why the price is surging

i don't know but all these little 50-100share asks need to drop so we can clear the way for .0075+

freedomno1

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Learning the troll avoidance button :)

Quote from: Pale Phoenix on July 28, 2013, 04:13:48 PM

Quote from: freedomno1 on July 28, 2013, 04:10:33 PM

Can I get some up to date speculation on why the price is surging

Money seems to be pouring in to ActM. It's quite extraordinary to watch.

I don't think the SDice payout has been done yet so perhaps people believe ActM will rise even further when that BTC is freed up.

Passed AM for total bitcoin traded on btct so made me go hmm whats up with this asset

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