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I liquidated 99% of my other stocks to go all in to ActiveMining. (The only reason it's not 100%is because I couldn't sell my remaining AsicMining direct shares - In fact if anybody wishes to swap, to show prove my below statements? Let me know).


Not to go into details, however; if I sold now I would be very happy with the Bitcoins received.
This obviously puts me in the pro-ActiveMining category.


The reason I am not selling now is that I have a lot of faith in Ken, his team and our newly appointed Advisory / Shareholder Board Members.

Just out of curiosity, why? I never really paid much attention to this forum when I was GPU mining, so I don't really know the history.

But with all the competition from companies with far more experience with Integrated Circuits within the company or work very closely with one. (KnC, HashFast, Cointerra, Labcoin, etc) why do you think ActiveMining is going to be able to keep up with network growth and make a profit?

Those companies can share all kinds of details about their chips because they designed them.  Presumably some NDAs are involved but they can talk as much as they want about their own work.

From my perspective you're much better off being able to design your own chips because you can tweak the designs to get better performance, and of course you can save a ton of money by doing part of the design in house.

So, why is it you think ActiveMining is so much more likely to succeed then all the other companies out there? What do they have that the other's don't?

This is a good question, sorry to drag it up.

From speaking to Ken directly (PM, IRC & Email) on numerous occasions I got the impression that this is somebody I would be willing to back in a high risk scenario, which this is.
When the prospect of eASIC came into the picture, this was a selling point for me which helped gain the final confidence needed to buy "all-in".

I think another important point is that ActM doesn't need to be better than competitors, however in the publicly listed mining company market, ActM is the ONLY 28nm option. There is plenty of scope for ActM to take a decent chunk of the market regardless of having the best products or not. Hell, ASICMiner has one of the worst offerings, 10-13% of the market, and over $100mil valuation. If ActM can get 10% of the mining market, then our shares are worth 1000% more than current prices, and ActM could continue to grow because ActM mining hardware is cost efficient (power costs). THIS is what makes ActM such an attractive investment.
sr. member
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I liquidated 99% of my other stocks to go all in to ActiveMining. (The only reason it's not 100%is because I couldn't sell my remaining AsicMining direct shares - In fact if anybody wishes to swap, to show prove my below statements? Let me know).


Not to go into details, however; if I sold now I would be very happy with the Bitcoins received.
This obviously puts me in the pro-ActiveMining category.


The reason I am not selling now is that I have a lot of faith in Ken, his team and our newly appointed Advisory / Shareholder Board Members.

Just out of curiosity, why? I never really paid much attention to this forum when I was GPU mining, so I don't really know the history.

But with all the competition from companies with far more experience with Integrated Circuits within the company or work very closely with one. (KnC, HashFast, Cointerra, Labcoin, etc) why do you think ActiveMining is going to be able to keep up with network growth and make a profit?

Those companies can share all kinds of details about their chips because they designed them.  Presumably some NDAs are involved but they can talk as much as they want about their own work.

From my perspective you're much better off being able to design your own chips because you can tweak the designs to get better performance, and of course you can save a ton of money by doing part of the design in house.

So, why is it you think ActiveMining is so much more likely to succeed then all the other companies out there? What do they have that the other's don't?

This is a good question, sorry to drag it up.

From speaking to Ken directly (PM, IRC & Email) on numerous occasions I got the impression that this is somebody I would be willing to back in a high risk scenario, which this is.
When the prospect of eASIC came into the picture, this was a selling point for me which helped gain the final confidence needed to buy "all-in".
sr. member
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Just come online today to see the Avalon stuff. Lawsuit would be madness, as I posted on the Avalon thread some days ago. Get the refund asap if it's on offer.

As for what to do - re-invest or dividend minus the costs incurred? Any other options?

Thoughts?



I do not agree with a lawsuit with us directly involved. However; I believe Kens thoughts on this may be to have other entities partake in this, which would then cause issues for a "competitor" giving us one step up from them.


After a long hard think I believe we should request refunds due to the amount and have these re-invested.
I personally don't want these back in dividends, even though it would be nice short term I think we definitely need to look long term.
sr. member
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Just come online today to see the Avalon stuff. Lawsuit would be madness, as I posted on the Avalon thread some days ago. Get the refund asap if it's on offer.

As for what to do - re-invest or dividend minus the costs incurred? Any other options?

Thoughts?


Agree - and definitely re-invest. I didn't pay what I paid for ActM shares in order to get some of it back as a dividend. I think a far far far better value proposition is to hold coins as a buffer in case of increased manufacturing costs (unforeseen) and if those don't materialise, to catapult expansion of hashing power.
sr. member
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Just come online today to see the Avalon stuff. Lawsuit would be madness, as I posted on the Avalon thread some days ago. Get the refund asap if it's on offer.

As for what to do - re-invest or dividend minus the costs incurred? Any other options?

Thoughts?
sr. member
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Heh. Mindless member...

quoted - because this did receive the comedic praise it deserved....
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So sell your shares.
I did.

I'm still allowed to participate in discussion. My point is valid.
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So sell your shares.
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I think a class action law suite would be the way to go.

Anyone here want to join, I have already discussed this with a lawyer. 

On this Ken - I think we would all rather you focus on ActM/VMC products rather than the problems arising from Avalon chips, which are pretty much obsolete anyway.
I find it odd you had time to find out about a class action law suit, setup a lawyer, explain everything etc especially re; bitcoin and the nature of the beast.

Yet you don't have time to offer any updates that aren't insulting.
sr. member
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I think a class action law suite would be the way to go.

Anyone here want to join, I have already discussed this with a lawyer. 

On this Ken - I think we would all rather you focus on ActM/VMC products rather than the problems arising from Avalon chips, which are pretty much obsolete anyway.
legendary
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Can someone explain to me what has happened? Wondering why the share price has become so volatile & getting confused reading back through the thread...

The price will decline every day until there is actual news regarding the eAsic deal. People are starting to dump shares because they have had enough with the "NDA covers everything" excuse and are living in a climate of fear given the recent labcoin scare.

Cool - thanks both.

If it makes any difference, I'm loving the bulk dumps... I've tripled my ActM holding in the past 24 hours...
I'd love to know "WHY"

Ken's update is nothing short of insulting.

Tend to agree, and has instilled enough doubt for me to sell what i had.  Sad  I just feel ActM now have more issues regarding positioning in the market and timing, and i see no evidence, method, or reasoning from Ken/ActM, that says to me i should still carry faith. To much faith for my comfort levels at this point. 

However, will be watching and hoping this deal does come good, and hope my arm doesnt get yanked off trying to get back on the leaving train, IF its meaningful news.

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Sometimes I feel like half of the "investors" here (maybe more) are a bunch of 15 yrs old that invested all of their savings (maybe 0.5 BTC) that they got from their parent's allowance and they spend 20hrs per day in the forum trying to "outsmart" everyone else.

- "Oh, it's been 30 mins without any updates from Ken, it must mean he ran away with our BTC"
- "Oh Ken didn't put a dot in the end of his second sentence, this must mean he doesn't see the chips getting ready soon"

You need to grow up and realize thag things don't happen overnight in the real world and stop whining all the time. So far there is no significant news, period. When there is, they can be good or bad, make your bets.

And BTW, I too increased my holdings buying from the mindless ones that are selling cheap.
sr. member
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I would absolutely get a refund for as many chips as possible. I'm not sure what should be done with the ~1500btc we'd get back though. It could be given back to the 10mil shares at 0.00015 per share, kept to cover any potential expenses, some other option, or any combination of the three. Thoughts?
Put it in a fund for continual production of in-house chips. That's where the real strength lies.


+1

Thats where my votes go (3000+ shares)
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Heh. Mindless member...
sr. member
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Can someone explain to me what has happened? Wondering why the share price has become so volatile & getting confused reading back through the thread...

The price will decline every day until there is actual news regarding the eAsic deal. People are starting to dump shares because they have had enough with the "NDA covers everything" excuse and are living in a climate of fear given the recent labcoin scare.

Cool - thanks both.

If it makes any difference, I'm loving the bulk dumps... I've tripled my ActM holding in the past 24 hours...
I'd love to know "WHY"

Ken's update is nothing short of insulting.

Ken's update was fine, as long as you're not a mindless member of the herd.
hero member
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Can someone explain to me what has happened? Wondering why the share price has become so volatile & getting confused reading back through the thread...

The price will decline every day until there is actual news regarding the eAsic deal. People are starting to dump shares because they have had enough with the "NDA covers everything" excuse and are living in a climate of fear given the recent labcoin scare.

Cool - thanks both.

If it makes any difference, I'm loving the bulk dumps... I've tripled my ActM holding in the past 24 hours...
I'd love to know "WHY"

Ken's update is nothing short of insulting.
full member
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Can someone explain to me what has happened? Wondering why the share price has become so volatile & getting confused reading back through the thread...

The price will decline every day until there is actual news regarding the eAsic deal. People are starting to dump shares because they have had enough with the "NDA covers everything" excuse and are living in a climate of fear given the recent labcoin scare.

Cool - thanks both.

If it makes any difference, I'm loving the bulk dumps... I've tripled my ActM holding in the past 24 hours...
full member
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Merit: 100
Can someone explain to me what has happened? Wondering why the share price has become so volatile & getting confused reading back through the thread...

The price will decline every day until there is actual news regarding the eAsic deal. People are starting to dump shares because they have had enough with the "NDA covers everything" excuse and are living in a climate of fear given the recent labcoin scare.
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Can someone explain to me what has happened? Wondering why the share price has become so volatile & getting confused reading back through the thread...

A climate of fear would sum it up

As for the Avalons Neutral for now
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Can someone explain to me what has happened? Wondering why the share price has become so volatile & getting confused reading back through the thread...
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