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But if we consider the path that leads to this result, then it is fundamentally different for different strategies. For example, the classic Martingale draws a graph that grows steadily (with rare spikes down) and this growth ends unexpectedly - one of the spikes clears the bankroll.

The bankroll wouldn't be cleared with that spike if more money were in it. So, it's important to know the initial bet size and the size of the bankroll which was cleared with a certain amount of bets, while using a certain strategy.

I mean, without real numbers it's hard to imagine the outcome of this or that strategy. That's what I think, at least.

The bankroll will be emptied anyway, as it cannot hold an infinite amount of money.
Maybe some strategies are difficult to calculate analytically the average number of bets made that will lead you to zero your bankroll, but with Martingel, for example, everything is quite simple:
For example, you have 10,000 minimum bets, if after a loss you double your bet, then a series of 14 losses will kill your deposit.
How many bets can you make before this event? It's 2^N+1−2 (where N=14)
So, on average, you will have time to make 32766 bets before you encounter such a series and nullify your deposit.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on October 12, 2021, 04:53:09 PM

Do these configurations or settings actually works? Especially when it comes to games of luck or high probability games becuase, I really feel it doesn't and in the end, it's the houses programming on the games that still stands. You can imagine the house actually allowing a settings in its program that would be against the house. Its most likely never to happen and one would be left thinking him or herself smart over a few turns and a few lucks. I think it's just the same thing so long as, it ain't no constant!

It is hard to say if that configuration or setting will work for many gamblers because the situations will not be the same as when one gambler uses that setting. Maybe the setting will work for one or two gamblers, but once again, we need to modify the setting and search for what setting can work for us. Or maybe that setting can help us win for some time but if we still use the same setting, I think that will not work because the casino can change their algorithm anytime.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 09, 2021, 05:50:04 AM

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If we are talking about the end result, then of course it is the same everywhere - the loss of bankroll.

Yes, even our universe will lose its bankroll and die eventually.

But with gambling simulation it's interesting, imo, to work with a number of bets that realistically could be made during our lifetime.

Quote from: KTChampions on October 09, 2021, 05:50:04 AM

But if we consider the path that leads to this result, then it is fundamentally different for different strategies. For example, the classic Martingale draws a graph that grows steadily (with rare spikes down) and this growth ends unexpectedly - one of the spikes clears the bankroll.

The bankroll wouldn't be cleared with that spike if more money were in it. So, it's important to know the initial bet size and the size of the bankroll which was cleared with a certain amount of bets, while using a certain strategy.

I mean, without real numbers it's hard to imagine the outcome of this or that strategy. That's what I think, at least.

Quote from: Quidat on October 09, 2021, 05:52:54 PM

But would turn out that people would already get used to be bored whenever they are tending to test up for hundred millions of bets just to know on whats the outcome.As you said that
house edge would really be there as always and outcome would just still end up the same thats why im not really interested on testing up countless numbers of possible strategies or
arrangement or settings when it comes to dicing because it would really just give out the same results if you do tend to do it on longer times.

Usually simulations are not done by humans, so the "to be bored" part can be excluded.

As of the results, well, if the number of bets is a factor, they might be very different for different strategies.

Quote from: RealMalatesta on October 10, 2021, 01:51:29 AM

~ Unfortunately naive gamblers to get deceived to such extra settings by believing into promotions and other gambler's recommendations.

I strongly agree with this. Gambling should be for fun, not for making money. However, if your bankroll is insignificant, you can be as naive as you want, and lose it all with this or that strategy, and it won't be a tragedy for you, you'll just get your entertainment.

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Do these configurations or settings actually works? Especially when it comes to games of luck or high probability games becuase, I really feel it doesn't and in the end, it's the houses programming on the games that still stands. You can imagine the house actually allowing a settings in its program that would be against the house. Its most likely never to happen and one would be left thinking him or herself smart over a few turns and a few lucks. I think it's just the same thing so long as, it ain't no constant!

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Hello everyone, I know 3 cryptocurrency casinos that have advanced settings for automatic bets in the dice game, the casinos I am talking about are Stake, Primedice and Wolf, when I talk about advanced settings I mean that we can configure streaks, change of side and probability of winning, apart from the 3 casinos that I mentioned that have such game configurations in others that only have simple configurations for dice game, a casino that only has simple configurations is BC Game, I would like to know if there is any way to use advanced settings at BC Game or any other casino that does not have advanced settings.

What's the point of doing all of this?

You're going to stress yourself out trying to figure out a strategy that ultimately just won't work.

If anything you're just going to be losing money faster given that autobetting is essentially accelerating the amount of volume that you wager over a time period. Go for it if that's what you want, but it's not a way to profit that's for sure.

As you have deduced there is no point to doing something like this, the negative EV is not going to improve by changing our progression or our betting patterns which means that the faster you bet the faster you lose your money, but at the end of the day it is their time and their money and they can do whatever they want with it, however if someone wants to have a chance to earn money with gambling then they should try games in which your EV can turn positive and play games like dice only for the entertainment they get out of it.

I dont really consider any gambling game for it to be a source of income or give out assurance for you to make money but rather this thing is really just good for entertainment nothingless.

Its just people do really end up on having these kind of impressions on where they do really believe that they could really have some advantage if they do tend to make use of number of strategies.

They would only realize that it wont really gonna work no matter how hard they would gonna do.

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Quote from: danieleche on September 21, 2021, 03:11:13 PM

Hello everyone, I know 3 cryptocurrency casinos that have advanced settings for automatic bets in the dice game, the casinos I am talking about are Stake, Primedice and Wolf, when I talk about advanced settings I mean that we can configure streaks, change of side and probability of winning, apart from the 3 casinos that I mentioned that have such game configurations in others that only have simple configurations for dice game, a casino that only has simple configurations is BC Game, I would like to know if there is any way to use advanced settings at BC Game or any other casino that does not have advanced settings.

What's the point of doing all of this?

You're going to stress yourself out trying to figure out a strategy that ultimately just won't work.

If anything you're just going to be losing money faster given that autobetting is essentially accelerating the amount of volume that you wager over a time period. Go for it if that's what you want, but it's not a way to profit that's for sure.

As you have deduced there is no point to doing something like this, the negative EV is not going to improve by changing our progression or our betting patterns which means that the faster you bet the faster you lose your money, but at the end of the day it is their time and their money and they can do whatever they want with it, however if someone wants to have a chance to earn money with gambling then they should try games in which your EV can turn positive and play games like dice only for the entertainment they get out of it.

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Has advance settings for Dice any positive influence on the dice game for the gamblers? If your answer is no of what benefits then are looking for gambling site that has advance settings for Dice bets. I do dice on Stake.com and others gambling site that doesn't have advance settings but I don't really see any difference in my opinion and experience so far.

When people encounter a good streak, they usually think they will encounter a bad streak after it. And it's the same thing in the opposite way, then they use the autobetting mode to bet on the next X long streak instead of betting on just the next roll.

Depending on someones decisions or perception because some does have different impression on such situation whether you do go completely in manual or in auto mode.
When it comes to dice settings then this is something where most people believe that they could really make some advantage but once the reality slap out into their faces
then this is where they do have bad impressions about it or would know on how reality works.

But why would people think they will get some advantages by using auto betting mode if it's not because they want to bet on long series instead of betting on only one round?

Just like on what you do saw on martingale.Its a series of long bets and you do see on how those losses becomes a profit after a certain win which it do really poke out your greed and you do see it as an interesting.

There are people who dont simply like long sessions in their dice gaming but instead make out some bets in one go with specific odds been set.Some doesnt like long wait and just
bet directly in one go and if they won then they do continue and if they lose then completely stop or would make out some deposits again.

You didn't reply to my question. Why would people think they will get some advantages by using auto betting mode according to you if it's not because they want to bet on long series instead of betting on only one round? I don't think most of people use martingales in auto betting mode because it's highly dangerous, you can lose all your bankroll very quickly if you encounter a bad losing streak.

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Quote from: RokokGudangGaram on October 10, 2021, 03:06:08 AM

I think simple settings is much helpful to other but I think you are more advance user then I think you can go with https://bustadice.com/ you can create your own script and test it on the bustadice I think they have advance settings, try to visit it.

It depends to the dice player if he's like to use some scripts but if not, he's good with the settings that he can adjust on that particular dice site where he's playing.

But I think that many of the dice players are just with manual or automatic and no other script needed for it.

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Quote from: danieleche on September 21, 2021, 03:11:13 PM

Hello everyone, I know 3 cryptocurrency casinos that have advanced settings for automatic bets in the dice game, the casinos I am talking about are Stake, Primedice and Wolf, when I talk about advanced settings I mean that we can configure streaks, change of side and probability of winning, apart from the 3 casinos that I mentioned that have such game configurations in others that only have simple configurations for dice game, a casino that only has simple configurations is BC Game, I would like to know if there is any way to use advanced settings at BC Game or any other casino that does not have advanced settings.

I think simple settings is much helpful to other but I think you are more advance user then I think you can go with https://bustadice.com/ you can create your own script and test it on the bustadice I think they have advance settings, try to visit it.

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Quote from: Betwrong on October 09, 2021, 04:02:24 AM

The only thing needed for the purity of the experiment is a large enough bankroll for, say, 100 million bets. With that provided, I expect the losses that will be very close to the house edge.

Technically what you are saying is perfect but what we are experiencing in real time is complete different than what we are supposed to have as per mathematical calculations against house-edge. This is the reason large bankroll is something we cannot have as a weapon to conquer the house. Same things are also applicable for advanced settings as well. Because, in my experiences, any such in-built and third party advanced setting brought nothing new in the end. Always got busted in the end but might be not in same time duration which might be caused by those advanced settings.

Yeah, extra functionalities on dice gambling may help gamblers to extend their run for the same bankroll but certainly not for making different results than what we usually do get. Unfortunately naive gamblers to get deceived to such extra settings by believing into promotions and other gambler's recommendations.

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For those who are looking for a ~~Grail~~ winning strategy, having a wider toolkit for setting up automated bets is important for obvious reasons. But even for me (I understand that the casino always wins and the gambler has no chance against it at a distance) it would be interesting. Sometimes I even play bet simulators, testing different methods of the game and determining the average length of the distance that is guaranteed to lead to a loss.

Actually, it would be interesting to see the results. In my opinion, in the long run all strategies will look the same, regarding the outcome. The only thing needed for the purity of the experiment is a large enough bankroll for, say, 100 million bets. With that provided, I expect the losses that will be very close to the house edge. (Again, we are talking about many millions of bets). But that's my theory. Seeing the results of some quality simulations with different strategies and house edges would be really interesting.

But would turn out that people would already get used to be bored whenever they are tending to test up for hundred millions of bets just to know on whats the outcome.As you said that
house edge would really be there as always and outcome would just still end up the same thats why im not really interested on testing up countless numbers of possible strategies or
arrangement or settings when it comes to dicing because it would really just give out the same results if you do tend to do it on longer times.

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For those who are looking for a ~~Grail~~ winning strategy, having a wider toolkit for setting up automated bets is important for obvious reasons. But even for me (I understand that the casino always wins and the gambler has no chance against it at a distance) it would be interesting. Sometimes I even play bet simulators, testing different methods of the game and determining the average length of the distance that is guaranteed to lead to a loss.

Actually, it would be interesting to see the results. In my opinion, in the long run all strategies will look the same, regarding the outcome. The only thing needed for the purity of the experiment is a large enough bankroll for, say, 100 million bets. With that provided, I expect the losses that will be very close to the house edge. (Again, we are talking about many millions of bets). But that's my theory. Seeing the results of some quality simulations with different strategies and house edges would be really interesting.

If we are talking about the end result, then of course it is the same everywhere - the loss of bankroll. But if we consider the path that leads to this result, then it is fundamentally different for different strategies. For example, the classic Martingale draws a graph that grows steadily (with rare spikes down) and this growth ends unexpectedly - one of the spikes clears the bankroll. If we make an endless series of bets without changing the size of the bet, then we get an ideal smooth descending line (on a scale it is really perfectly flat), if we start combining strategies, we get different shapes.
As for the proximity of the result to the theoretical one, everything is also simple here - the more bets we managed to make before zeroing, the closer the practical value is to the theoretical one.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 07, 2021, 06:07:06 AM

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For those who are looking for a ~~Grail~~ winning strategy, having a wider toolkit for setting up automated bets is important for obvious reasons. But even for me (I understand that the casino always wins and the gambler has no chance against it at a distance) it would be interesting. Sometimes I even play bet simulators, testing different methods of the game and determining the average length of the distance that is guaranteed to lead to a loss.

Actually, it would be interesting to see the results. In my opinion, in the long run all strategies will look the same, regarding the outcome. The only thing needed for the purity of the experiment is a large enough bankroll for, say, 100 million bets. With that provided, I expect the losses that will be very close to the house edge. (Again, we are talking about many millions of bets). But that's my theory. Seeing the results of some quality simulations with different strategies and house edges would be really interesting.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on October 07, 2021, 07:42:34 PM

The most important thing we must realize is that the Dice game is indeed a game based on luck. Because I am also one of those people who have
tried to find the best strategy to win the Dice game in the long run. But unfortunately all my efforts were in vain, because whatever strategy
I used it always ended in failure. Finally I realized that no matter how the casino will always win, since then I have only played Dice for fun.
If I am lucky to make a big profit from the game Dice, I will stop immediately and will continue again at another time, because if we have made
a big profit and continue to play in the end we can lose all the profits that have been obtained.

There is a certain paradox in this Cheesy

If you turn out to be in the black playing dice (this is quite likely if you have recently started playing), then in order to stay in the black, you must stop playing forever, since with or without pauses, but continuing the game, you will still lose. How many gamblers are ready to give up the game forever just for the sake of the principle in order to stay in the black?

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Quote from: danieleche on September 21, 2021, 03:11:13 PM

Hello everyone, I know 3 cryptocurrency casinos that have advanced settings for automatic bets in the dice game, the casinos I am talking about are Stake, Primedice and Wolf, when I talk about advanced settings I mean that we can configure streaks, change of side and probability of winning, apart from the 3 casinos that I mentioned that have such game configurations in others that only have simple configurations for dice game, a casino that only has simple configurations is BC Game, I would like to know if there is any way to use advanced settings at BC Game or any other casino that does not have advanced settings.

What's the point of doing all of this?

You're going to stress yourself out trying to figure out a strategy that ultimately just won't work.

If anything you're just going to be losing money faster given that autobetting is essentially accelerating the amount of volume that you wager over a time period. Go for it if that's what you want, but it's not a way to profit that's for sure.

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We could really make use of lots or countless strategies out there but i dont really see that it is created to beat up casino.What makes you beat up or making out profits is depending on how lucky you are and
of course on how well you do able to get off yourself in the times that you are already in greens because most of the time people couldnt stop mid way which they do really end up on the same
path on which they do lost up money which we could say that its impossible to think about beating up the house but there are people who are lucky enough but those are just
rare events or scenarios.

For those who are looking for a ~~Grail~~ winning strategy, having a wider toolkit for setting up automated bets is important for obvious reasons. But even for me (I understand that the casino always wins and the gambler has no chance against it at a distance) it would be interesting. Sometimes I even play bet simulators, testing different methods of the game and determining the average length of the distance that is guaranteed to lead to a loss.

Did really come to a point on where i do really test out several strategies that can really be used in dice games and that time when im just still newbie and bit curious on how dice works and if we can really apply
strategies that could really give us some advantage but as you do play then you would really be able to realize things when you do actually have get your hands on this thing.
You would really tell that house do always win in the end and you would really lose interest on pursuing on what you had think in the past.

The most important thing we must realize is that the Dice game is indeed a game based on luck. Because I am also one of those people who have
tried to find the best strategy to win the Dice game in the long run. But unfortunately all my efforts were in vain, because whatever strategy
I used it always ended in failure. Finally I realized that no matter how the casino will always win, since then I have only played Dice for fun.
If I am lucky to make a big profit from the game Dice, I will stop immediately and will continue again at another time, because if we have made
a big profit and continue to play in the end we can lose all the profits that have been obtained.

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Of course, we are not talking about the fact that some options help to beat the casino (in general, it would be strange for a casino to provide such options to players), but the advanced automation settings that are now would allow players to automate more complex strategies. Perhaps this would increase the interest from those who are addicted to such things.

We could really make use of lots or countless strategies out there but i dont really see that it is created to beat up casino.What makes you beat up or making out profits is depending on how lucky you are and
of course on how well you do able to get off yourself in the times that you are already in greens because most of the time people couldnt stop mid way which they do really end up on the same
path on which they do lost up money which we could say that its impossible to think about beating up the house but there are people who are lucky enough but those are just
rare events or scenarios.

For those who are looking for a ~~Grail~~ winning strategy, having a wider toolkit for setting up automated bets is important for obvious reasons. But even for me (I understand that the casino always wins and the gambler has no chance against it at a distance) it would be interesting. Sometimes I even play bet simulators, testing different methods of the game and determining the average length of the distance that is guaranteed to lead to a loss.

Did really come to a point on where i do really test out several strategies that can really be used in dice games and that time when im just still newbie and bit curious on how dice works and if we can really apply
strategies that could really give us some advantage but as you do play then you would really be able to realize things when you do actually have get your hands on this thing.
You would really tell that house do always win in the end and you would really lose interest on pursuing on what you had think in the past.

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The only other way to use advance settings is by having a dicebot like the one made by Seuntjie.

Unfortunately their bot doesn't support bc game but maybe you could suggest it to them and hopefully they'll consider it in the next update.

What does a dice bot do? Isn't Dice game a simple game? So why is there a need for dice? Does it make the player win more games of dice or not? Because if not then it's a waste of time to use it, right? Or is it just for automation purposes?

Some people believe that under certain circumstances changing the pattern they use to bet or their betting progressions have an effect on the results they get when they play dice and as such it is natural that some people have developed those tools for themselves or to put up for sale, however as you may guess taking into account the game still represents a negative EV as not a single one of these adjustments change the EV then over the long term the bot does no really help you much.

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Quote from: Hamphser on October 06, 2021, 07:09:26 PM

look dice game to be that interesting specially if its played on auto bets or just seeing those pile of bets and waiting up for their bets neither winning or losing.Its true that there would be always that one common ending

or scenario/situation which is we do lost in the end of the line and this is how should people been thinking off and not those guaranteed win kind of mindset.

Here, one thing i really can't get: What an interest to play dice even without directly participation in it? Just put an auto bet and wait for your money fly away.

Out my understanding. It's better to create some arbitrary trading bot and make money trough it Grin

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I really just can't get what interesting in repetitive process of dice or slots. But nah, i can understand people. But what i really can't understand is when people trying to find some strategies in pure lack-based games. This is really out of my imagination

That curiosity of what is going to happen next is the one drive me most which is more in the slots and dice and of course in all the casino games. But when someone is playing with the intention of winning the house edge will remove the fun completely and its more like a stressful situation.

I have a 90 percent prob answer for question "What is goin' to happen next": You will lose your money Wink

But ok, i'm maybe just can't get this point of view. But at least i can understand that some people get a lot of thrilling emotions just watching dice and it outcome.

It probably depends on the player's point of view.

A player with a magical mind thinks they have a chance to win at dice in the long run. For a guaranteed win, certain rituals must be performed. For example, put on a green jacket or play in online casinos on an empty stomach and to the music of Bach. In this case, the win is guaranteed.

The rational player does not believe in rituals. He knows the basics of the mathematical theory of probability. Therefore, he understands that with a long-term game of craps or roulette, he is guaranteed to lose.

His motivation is to enjoy the game itself.

Most people who play casino games knows that the probability of winning is really less but still that small chance can make their day if they can able to hit and they should not have any long term goals in casinos or else they will be in the phase of addiction in no time.

You are right about that, just enjoy the moment of bet which is instant in casinos than others for sure and it maybe just my opinion which can differ from others.

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