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legendary
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Merit: 1011
November 30, 2018, 06:30:30 AM
#74
This is not what you want to hear but mining is dead, at least for the short-term (next 12 months or so). Any investment in mining gear right now is going to cause you and your investor to take a one way trip to Rekt City.

The bear market is not done yet. BTC WILL drop under 5k, probably down to under 2K before this is all said and done. Ethereum will hit under $100 before finding stability, and it might even do a quick drop to $50 or so first.

All of these posts of "I am breaking even so will continue to mine and hold" is simply delusional thinking, as once your breakeven point fails, all the mined coins you thought you mined at a profit are actually now underwater as well. You would have been better off waiting awhile and buying coins outright in a few more months at a discount.

I do believe crypto will recover, at least some of the bigger and more promising coins, but many of the alts will also slowly become worthless and disappear completely. Be careful of what coins you buy as next time the "sure thing" feeling will be over as many people have been burned now and will be a lot more hesitant the next time around and not just pour money into all the "me-too" coins.

I would say mid-2019 would be the time to start looking at promising coins again and mining under the radar, keeping it simple at first. I would expect 2020 to be the year crypto is taken seriously again and seeing meteoric rises like we did in 2017, but again not every coin is going to take the rocket-ship to the moon, so you need to really look past the fluff and research what coins you want to get into and have an actual use case.


Well, well, well. Here were are 3 months later and we see who the real trolls are/were. Smiley My prediction, more of an expectation actually, proved to be pretty accurate.

The market has a ways to go before we see ATH's again. Look at 2013-2016 playbook, so far its been pretty much a carbon copy and I see no good reason for that to change anytime soon.

Anyway what I said previously still holds true. For all you mine and hold types who look at those online profit calculators to see if you are making money, if you held those coins until now you mined at a loss! If you are still doing this stop! Simply buy the coins outright and quit buying all that expensive mining gear.
copper member
Activity: 1162
Merit: 32
September 21, 2018, 03:16:02 PM
#73
copper member
Activity: 1162
Merit: 32
September 21, 2018, 03:08:25 PM
#72
 
That is Pangolinminer talking. There is no reason why they would need to "recognize" whatsminer.net as an official distributor. They have no authority to assess any sort of status. DJ Technologies and whatsminer.net are one and the same. DJ Technologies is an authorized distributor. The website is an online presence in the English language that helps DJ Technologies provide products/services overseas.
 
hero member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 597
September 21, 2018, 02:56:52 PM
#71
Pangolin is not the manufacturer. MicroBT/Bitwei is. Pango is a reseller / distributor.

4. Conclusion
Whatsminer.net is a vendor who resells whatsminer in the U.S.
They do not have any agreement with Pangolinminer or Microbt.
Microbt and Pangolinminer do not recognize it as an official distributor.
copper member
Activity: 1162
Merit: 32
September 21, 2018, 05:22:28 AM
#70
Pangolin is not the manufacturer. MicroBT/Bitwei is. Pango is a reseller / distributor.
hero member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 597
September 21, 2018, 03:11:18 AM
#69
I would prefer buying it from the official site Smiley not from your scam site
Whatsminer is manufactured by Pangolin Smiley

Reddit Post HERE

Official Facebook post HERE

Code:
Whatsminer
September 13 at 11:32 PM ·
Official Announcement:

Recently we found such a topic on Reddit about our new DCR miner.
https://www.reddit.com/…/psa_do_not_purchase_the_whatsmin…/…
And basically, we don't like him to talk "officially" on the network. So we are coming to out clarify the situation.
1.1 Nature of Whatsminer.net
Whatsminer.net is Registered by a US citizen (So-called matt Justin) and running by US citizen. And he is not the official distributor of whatsminer products.
Anyone who has right to distribute whatsminer officially should come with POA(Power of attorney) from microbt.
For our POA, please send email to [email protected] directly, we will send you the copy.
The reason we don't want to share here is that some fellas may just Photoshopped it and reuse.
If that still cannot convince you.
Please check on WHOIS.net
Check whatsminer.com and microbt.com
Owner : Chinese
Register Time : 2016
----------------------------------------------------------
and Check whatsminer.net
Owner: US Citizen
Register Time: 2017
2. Evidence 1
I know disclosure is not good, but we have to do such a thing. Please find some of matt justin's order record in our system....
https://drive.google.com/open…
3. Evidence 2
And even their video is stealing from us....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z39LtJiFa8o
Please check the bottom right corner.... They do not have the source file, and just copy and re-edit things and post on their website.
You can find below for the first whatsminer M10 video shooting scenario.
https://drive.google.com/open…
4. Conclusion
Whatsminer.net is a vendor who resells whatsminer in the U.S.
They do not have any agreement with Pangolinminer or Microbt.
Microbt and Pangolinminer do not recognize it as an official distributor.
full member
Activity: 846
Merit: 115
September 20, 2018, 10:17:54 PM
#68

I'm calling Bs. Specs are way too good to be true. And even if they are legit nobody wants us to pay 1k extra for import fees that people in the USA has been hit with
copper member
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full member
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Merit: 115
September 20, 2018, 09:57:31 PM
#66

how reputable is this company.  This blows the obelisk or any decred miner and will set them back to the stone age. Obelisk decred miners haven't even shipped out yet. Sad
copper member
Activity: 1162
Merit: 32
September 20, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
#64
The Whatsminer DCR is coming soon! I'll have more details shortly.


...
 
I am thinking I will start off with:
 
2 x Antminer Z9
1 x Innosilicon A9 (would focus more on these if it wasn't for all the bad things i read about Innosilicon)
1 x Pangolin Whatsminer DCR (november is a long time away though)
5 x Whatsminer M 10.
 
...
 
sr. member
Activity: 966
Merit: 359
👉MINING-BIOS.eu💲⛏
September 09, 2018, 09:28:43 AM
#63
please disable link


I found 20 of them today at first I did not diable link when I qulted then I realized I need to kill the links
Better just report it.
legendary
Activity: 4116
Merit: 7849
'The right to privacy matters'
September 08, 2018, 09:25:10 AM
#62
Announcing MyEtherWallet v3.24.00: Difficulty Bomb&Updating blockchain

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Please note that you need to manually update your wallet, failure to do so may result in funds being lost.
phishing link

please disable link


I found 20 of them today at first I did not diable link when I qulted then I realized I need to kill the links
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
September 04, 2018, 02:10:13 AM
#61
invest in FPGAs instead.
newbie
Activity: 101
Merit: 0
September 04, 2018, 02:08:54 AM
#60
I myself have a farm but I'll advise you not to invest in mining atm.
full member
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Merit: 221
We are not retail.
September 01, 2018, 11:52:50 PM
#59
I would reach out to our brokers, they're very conservative with speculation requests. We don't want to over promise anything. 

Personally it all depends on the market your projecting. X11 has been #2 asic alt for a while now, equihash will be settling in soon. You could wait for new gear or bulk on cheap decent gear as well. GPU's give greater flexibility for alts as well.

The list of this or that is long. Most might say just buying Bitcoin outright would be best thing unless your dead set on starting a mining operation.
full member
Activity: 846
Merit: 115
September 01, 2018, 11:08:37 PM
#58
@lunobird Let's just agree to disagree... don't want to debate over a speculative thing. BTW You are way too pessimistic which makes you sound like a troll.

4500-5000 btc price full capitulation price as not considered too pestamistic. Very realistic in fact. These are not even my opinion but rather the vibe I get from pro crypto traders like node investor and Chris Dunn/Rocky trading classes.

If I was a troll i would be calling a 2k+3k btc price.

Some of you think we already capitulated btc at 6k and starting to recover now. You will be very disappointed.

I'm just trying to help give a realistic expectations of how long bear markets and accumulation phase can last so you can plan out your mining farm and coin buying accordingly with proper risk management.
full member
Activity: 1148
Merit: 132
September 01, 2018, 07:09:57 PM
#57
@lunobird Let's just agree to disagree... don't want to debate over a speculative thing. BTW You are way too pessimistic which makes you sound like a troll.
yeah lol , definitely a Troll things are bad but theres alot on the horizon to look forward to from progpow,
monero 2nd fork , dapp development in eth and the fact that most Icos have finished thier dumping of eth and btc

and the appetite for new ico has seriously waned.

prices seem poised to pull us back into at atvleast  10k btc soon which will raise profit of all miners
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1218
Change is in your hands
September 01, 2018, 05:20:28 PM
#56
@lunobird Let's just agree to disagree... don't want to debate over a speculative thing. BTW You are way too pessimistic which makes you sound like a troll.
hero member
Activity: 2856
Merit: 769
August 31, 2018, 06:56:27 PM
#55
Yea, you should invest all your money on mining equipment because it's very profitable now and the difficulty is very low , it's a good time to jump in , i just gave you what you want to hear , go a head do what you want to do don't ask here because ppl here will say the truth not the lies you would like to hear.
I see ppl like you losing money everyday because they just want to do what they want to do without listening even if they pretend they are listening
Good luck
On most cases this would really be the insight of OP itself which he do really expect to have positive feedback on what hes trying to invest on here. Capital? It is indeed enough to start your own mining rig but profitability wise? Then most of us do have knowledge will have the same opinion and feedbacks which is "Non-profitable" nowadays and basing on the rent plus its current electricity cost then he would able to find out that hes totally wasting up his own time.

Without going into any altercations or arguments, I'd like to respectfully understand more about why everyone here is against mining.

1) Profitability is down right now yes... but as long as you have a little less than $0.10/KWh electricity rate, as of now it's profitable to mine - even if only by a small margin. (Z9 and their variants are an exception). If you're operating as a business, you'd likely be eligible for various deductions that improve your bottom line. This is the current scenario.
2) Difficulty increases for everyone. Constantly. That's a fact. No arguments here. Over time the number of coins you mine will reduce.
3) I'm bullish on crypto.
4) I can afford to hold the coins I mine. i.e. I can pay for the power I use for the foreseeable future (1 year) without selling any of my holding.
5) If the crypto market collapses, I shut down my business. Declare bankruptcy. That's not a scenario I'm willing to entertain. Every business has risks. I'm in this because I expect the market to rise.
6) If the market rises, despite the lower number of coins mined, I will probably still be profitable. Plus the coins I've mined earlier and held on to at a lower difficulty will add to my bottomline.
7) If I have an intelligent split (50-50 in my case) between mining and buying coins - I'm at a win-win given the above information - the market recovers and I make a win on my investment. Mining profitability resumes and I make a win on the coins mined WITH future income intact because no matter how little I mine, mining can only survive so long as there is some monetary benefit to mining. Therefore total hashrate will reduce when losses increase significantly (kind of what's happening with litecoin now). I also have a cushion since a lot of places in the world have a much higher electricity rate than me.
Cool I have the equipment to sell - wont get too much for asics, more for gpu's. But point is that as long as I can keep reinvesting profits and upgrading constantly, a point will come when I'll be able to pay for equipment with previously earned profit. So mining as a business, given some common sense should pay off in the long run.

Sorry for the numbered list. Just jotted them down as they struck me.

Constructive feedback anyone?



Understand those points though even most of people here do talk about non-profitability but since its your money to invest on then we cant do anything about it.We are just giving our own insights and views on whats currently happening on the market.If you do really have the passion and dedication to mine something then so be it as long you are aware on the potential risk then it should be fine. Wink
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