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eeh
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June 13, 2013, 08:07:01 AM
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Hey there! I'd like to report a user: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:eeharris

He's posted a massive book under "collated" that he just copied and pasted from elsewhere. Not an article based on a book, he went looking for books that weren't copyrighted and then decided to use that to get 80 shares.


Hey there. Just went through his other articles. A lot of what's in them is copied from elsewhere (even his "original" ones). Case-in-point:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=when_prophecy_goes_rogue

Check out Appendix 3. This is copied from this page:

http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/dispensationalism-today-yesterday-and-tomorrow-part-1/

You can find this by doing a simple search for "A person’s theological system is his basic understanding of what the overall teachings of Scripture are and how they interrelate."

Also, he often notes that things were taken from elsewhere.

His articles as a whole are completely suspect at this point.
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For the sake of laying some minds at ease:

1. The "massive book" is not just copied from elsewhere. The Life of God in the Soul of Man is a revision and meets all the criteria for commercial publication as a new work, although not written by me. It is a revision. I do not claim the content is mine, but the work involved in preparing it involved a lot of time and comprehension of the material to prepare it for republication under my name as "Edited by Ethan E. Harris." I got the original images from archive.org (not the HTML or PDF) from the 1878 copy of the book. I wanted as accurate base material to work off of. I scanned them through Abbyy, which I paid for, and then at great length, went through formatting and updating text. I removed archaic terms and made quite a few improvements to an out of print book that is often sought by enthusiasts, myself being one of them. BUT, Instead of publishing it as a revision through CreateSpace or something like that, I decided to make the new version free for the community at large. I put a lot of work into it and the only profit I anticipate is DVC. I get quite a bit of royalties off my other work and didn't feel it was necessary to receive anything of this one. And I have been very up front about the source of my materials.

2. The second thing cited above is the 3rd appendix to my book on eschatology. I specifically cite the author and it's not pjmiller. Grover Gunn wrote that VERY short piece that I included with a citation saying that it was by Grover Gunn. I think it's rather deceptive of you to say I copied it from pjmiller's post. Even pjmilller does not quote the article at length, so if anything, pjmiller found the material just like I did and only used a few quotes. I used the article as an appendix, not claiming it as my own, but for readers who do not have access to the material. I wrote that book in 2002-2003 and at the time, Gunn's article was only available in journal articles. It's easy to find a sentence that is obviously quoted and then say "Ah! Plagiarism!" But I cite my sources and do not claim their work for mine. I am very conscious of this. pjmiller is not quoting from me and I am not copying from pjmiller. We are quoting something written by Grover Gunn and including it in our work to show people we are not plagiarizing by including that material. Wiki articles and academic treatises often include tons of references and in non-fiction, this helps identify the validity of the argument being put forward. How do you know that pjmiller didn't copy that little quote from me? Because he got it from Grover Gunn. Just like I did.

Hopefully, this will ease some tensions toward my work.

Edit: Reading back through user ranlo's complaint, I would like to note that my book has yet to be made available online. Only a few copies were given out about 10 years ago to some other authors in the field and one copy to my publisher. The content was too academic, they felt, so they passed over it. I own the copyright to the entire book and can distribute it at my discretion.
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June 13, 2013, 07:21:48 AM
#21
Another Devtome request:

There's not yet anybody to formally do this but been starting to file all devtome articles as numbers are growing and logistically will become difficult over time as most do not categorise their articles at the end or by submission date so each has had to be skim read for subject matter/fiction (topic is not always clear from title). This will also make it easier to note new additions and spot any contentious work.

Would be a great help, a lot quicker and to everyone's benefit if each author could have a quick run through just their own articles and file them appropritely (just involves copying the article title part from the url (e.g. the bold part here http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=gold) -> finding appropriate category -> edit at the top and pasting to the appropriate part with two square brackets either side as the other links [[gold]] (and formatting it a little if you can for tidiness without any underscores).

I've spent some time tidying it up, adding categories and subs and going through articles one-by-one but it's slow and takes ages. Should now be fairly straightforward to find the right place for your work, and you will fiind many have already been done. Category only has to be ballpark, we can go through later and finalise, but authors know best what their articles are about (if you feel there's no appropriate subheading for your work new categories can be added in the same way as articles (without adding to your own page), I'll then spot the addition and link to it.

If you can find time to do this can you let me know ehen you have and I'll take it from there and work from the 'latest' which is now near complete.
Cheers
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June 13, 2013, 07:20:31 AM
#20
I don't know about the article, although it's collated, but the books are his own

Edit: as far as I'm aware all his original articles have been vetted as his own (by Ethan Harris) except for "When Prophecy Goes Rogue" which he has yet to link to. Unthinkingbit has now asked him to do this, I had already done so.

As a general point one should not have a problem with writings just because they are long and wait until payout cutoff day to highlight issues. The problem lies, if there is one, with the payment share methodology not the length of articles. A wiki dedicated to promoting writing is be definition likely to attract writers.

Please actually read the post. The things mentioned are definitely not his own, unless he goes by multiple different names.

1) This is the book he posted: THE LIFE OF GOD IN THE SOUL OF MAN by Henry Scougal

Not sure if Ethan Harris is the same as Henry Scougal but I assumed not.

2) The other very long article he has has a ton of copy and pasted content from various sites, such as from PJ Millers. Again, I just don't think that Ethan Harris is also PJ Miller.

There are no issues with people using articles to help spawn theirs. The problem comes when you're using a lot of other people's material copy/pasted and you're claiming it's "Original." This is what "Collated" is for. And collated does not mean taking an entire book that isn't even in your name and copy/pasting it.
Fair point, I hadn't really read the post through. He has been asked for some info on that article, and that will give an opportunity to check on the collated work as you point out.
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June 13, 2013, 06:58:27 AM
#19
I don't know about the article, although it's collated, but the books are his own

Edit: as far as I'm aware all his original articles have been vetted as his own (by Ethan Harris) except for "When Prophecy Goes Rogue" which he has yet to link to. Unthinkingbit has now asked him to do this, I had already done so.

As a general point one should not have a problem with writings just because they are long and wait until payout cutoff day to highlight issues. The problem lies, if there is one, with the payment share methodology not the length of articles. A wiki dedicated to promoting writing is be definition likely to attract writers.

Please actually read the post. The things mentioned are definitely not his own, unless he goes by multiple different names.

1) This is the book he posted: THE LIFE OF GOD IN THE SOUL OF MAN by Henry Scougal

Not sure if Ethan Harris is the same as Henry Scougal but I assumed not.

2) The other very long article he has has a ton of copy and pasted content from various sites, such as from PJ Millers. Again, I just don't think that Ethan Harris is also PJ Miller.

There are no issues with people using articles to help spawn theirs. The problem comes when you're using a lot of other people's material copy/pasted and you're claiming it's "Original." This is what "Collated" is for. And collated does not mean taking an entire book that isn't even in your name and copy/pasting it.
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June 13, 2013, 06:35:25 AM
#18
also can anyone confirm this statement made here http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_advertising_campaign

"Devcoin has been around for over a year, and at one point was even worth $10 per coin."

Yes it may be driving people to get interested in devcoins.... but i think it is factually incorrect and it is a shame to hear people buying loads of devcoins based on this fact having just heard about the currency... obviously it their own choice to do their own research etc and see what market value of DVC has been in past but it hard at times especially for new folk to know where to look.... and we must only state factually correct information on devtome imo.

Can't really confirm but I doubt so, I was mining when Bitcoins wasn't worth even $5 not to mention Namecoin or Devcoin.  Maybe right in the beginning stage?
legendary
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June 13, 2013, 06:33:49 AM
#17
also can anyone confirm this statement made here http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_advertising_campaign

"Devcoin has been around for over a year, and at one point was even worth $10 per coin."

Yes it may be driving people to get interested in devcoins.... but i think it is factually incorrect and it is a shame to hear people buying loads of devcoins based on this fact having just heard about the currency... obviously it their own choice to do their own research etc and see what market value of DVC has been in past but it hard at times especially for new folk to know where to look.... and we must only state factually correct information on devtome imo.
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June 13, 2013, 06:24:21 AM
#16
I don't know about the article, although it's collated, but the books are his own

Edit: as far as I'm aware all his original articles have been vetted as his own (by Ethan Harris) except for "When Prophecy Goes Rogue" which he has yet to link to. Unthinkingbit has now asked him to do this, I had already done so.

As a general point one should not have a problem with writings just because they are long and wait until payout cutoff day to highlight issues. The problem lies, if there is one, with the payment share methodology not the length of articles. A wiki dedicated to promoting writing is be definition likely to attract writers.
legendary
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June 13, 2013, 06:21:17 AM
#15
Everyone please check that your earnings are in the list at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/account_24.csv

The devtome earnings will be up for a day, in case someone did not get earnings because their invoice is badly formatted. If that is the case, I will run devtome.py again for only that person. Also, every new recipient should check that they received 11 devcoins, which were sent for a final confirmation of the devcoin address.

By Friday, June 14, the receiver files should be made. Round 24 payments will start at block 96,000, around July 1.


Just wanted to say that this has been brought to my attention.... wondering what the propper proceedure is? do more than one admin have to agree a user is not being honest and remove the writers privalges and posts etc? do we give a warning ? is there an admin who is solely responsible for this? if so who?  Could do with a list in the OP of the admins and their roles... I get a LOT of requests and people asking me stuff thinking I am the one behind devcoin and that I have all the answers... needs to be easy for users to see who to contact..

also do please check out http://devcointalk.org/ Smiley nice little community of us over there Smiley

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Hey there! I'd like to report a user: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:eeharris

He's posted a massive book under "collated" that he just copied and pasted from elsewhere. Not an article based on a book, he went looking for books that weren't copyrighted and then decided to use that to get 80 shares.


Hey there. Just went through his other articles. A lot of what's in them is copied from elsewhere (even his "original" ones). Case-in-point:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=when_prophecy_goes_rogue

Check out Appendix 3. This is copied from this page:

http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/dispensationalism-today-yesterday-and-tomorrow-part-1/

You can find this by doing a simple search for "A person’s theological system is his basic understanding of what the overall teachings of Scripture are and how they interrelate."

Also, he often notes that things were taken from elsewhere.

His articles as a whole are completely suspect at this point.
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June 13, 2013, 05:40:44 AM
#14
Congratulation to the new thread (and it's a reserv Smiley

I'm starting to update the faucet, but seems I cannot catch the round 24 train now .
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June 13, 2013, 05:06:52 AM
#13
Reserve
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June 13, 2013, 04:27:40 AM
#12
Not sure about Bahamas Sad , apologies, but I am going to Cyprus soon though, maybe can find out more on their offshore registration.

Cyprus costs more to incorporate, so that's why I picked the Bahamas.
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June 13, 2013, 04:21:55 AM
#11
Not sure about Bahamas Sad , apologies, but I am going to Cyprus soon though, maybe can find out more on their offshore registration.
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June 13, 2013, 04:20:16 AM
#10
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Which countries do you have in mind?

Just one, the Bahamas. The directors wouldn't actually have to go there.
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June 13, 2013, 04:15:24 AM
#9
I want two people to help make a devcoin offshore corporation.

The people doing this would have to use their real names. I've never done this, but I assume it would involve filling out forms. I believe two people would be enough, and there would be a twelve share award for both. All filing expenses would be paid. If anyone wants to do this, please message me.


Which countries do you have in mind?
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June 13, 2013, 04:07:25 AM
#8
I want two people to help make a devcoin offshore corporation.

The people doing this would have to use their real names. I've never done this, but I assume it would involve filling out forms. I believe two people would be enough, and there would be a twelve share award for both. All filing expenses would be paid. If anyone wants to do this, please message me.
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June 13, 2013, 03:35:32 AM
#7
Stan Distortion:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/standistortion-62794

has asked to be an Aegis moderator. He is not a devcoin moderator, but he has received devcoins for making an ASIC cooler and has posted on the devcoin thread.

Are there any objections to Stan joining Aegis?

Er, I'm not sure if I want to object or not. Theres a high risk, and a low risk. Though he does seem active and HQ.
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June 13, 2013, 03:19:48 AM
#6
Stan Distortion:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/standistortion-62794

has asked to be an Aegis moderator. He is not a devcoin moderator, but he has received devcoins for making an ASIC cooler and has posted on the devcoin thread.

Are there any objections to Stan joining Aegis?
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June 13, 2013, 03:10:51 AM
#5
Is this now the official Devcoin thread?

Yes.
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June 13, 2013, 03:01:54 AM
#4
Everyone please check that your earnings are in the list at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/account_24.csv

The devtome earnings will be up for a day, in case someone did not get earnings because their invoice is badly formatted. If that is the case, I will run devtome.py again for only that person. Also, every new recipient should check that they received 11 devcoins, which were sent for a final confirmation of the devcoin address.

By Friday, June 14, the receiver files should be made. Round 24 payments will start at block 96,000, around July 1.
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June 13, 2013, 02:26:05 AM
#3
Posting to lock in my "watching," Smiley. Thanks for taking the time to create the moderated thread!

No problem.
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