Topic: [AEON] Aeon Speculation - page 26. (Read 190166 times)

the rebase's bounty has been distributed:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/7yk668/rebase_bounty_incentive_awards_will_be_as_follows/

however for us all, most important is the bottom message:citation begins

"I'd like to thank everyone who participated for their extreme effort in this project, and all the hours of hard work they put into it. I hope both community and the participants realize that our intentions are for the good of Aeon, always. Ultimately it is critical we make the most elegant possible changes to Aeon's code to keep it as compatible with Monero as possible so it will be easier to merge additional features.

I truly hope all participants will continue to work on improving the Aeon protocol, while remembering that in this game we must completely check our egos at the door - it's not about who gets credit, and who's name is up in lights. It's about what's best for the movement above all. Aeon is a neutral technology that transcends identities, and we need to unite under its banner as one force, indivisible.

Always remember that this technology will help change the destiny of billions of people on this planet - all of us reading this are simultaneously so inconsequential in the face of this vast mission, and yet also so incredibly important to its realization.

Unite and be one team. Stay one team. We must become of one intent, and that intent must be priority above all. Together we have the awesome destiny of reshaping this world into something better, and I can't imagine a more humbling charge in all the Earth today".

citation ends.

i would add that things have moved on, and this is very important also.

then comes smooth's post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/7y0wnj/smooth_declares_stoffus_pr_as_the_winning/

"There are still some discussions going on among the bounty sponsors and once we work out all the details I will post a complete explanation of the results and the process. I wanted to make a prompt notice on the PRs so the participants have an idea of the direction things are going in and do not misdirect future efforts".

@stoffu. I reckon the bounty was only offered because smooth was not going anywhere with the rebase. Whatever his reasons are, I am sure they have something to do with his busy schedule in real life and in Monero.

In any case, I feel relieved that your code was chosen. I do not trust Dr.Paradoxical to be quite honest, especially after he tried to have community consensus in activating RingCT. I reckon he might have something else under his sleeves.

thank you for the clear explanation (and naturally for your work).

I've been following Aeon since April 2017, and as I understand it, the task of rebase has been kept to smooth himself only, and he kept saying something like "the work is almost complete, the pre-release will be up next Monday" or "because the task is almost complete, volunteer help from other developers won't be necessary nor useful". I don't remember the exact wording, but I'm pretty sure that was the state before the bounty started. Posts like this (https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/78nylr/whats_stopping_other_coders_from_helping_with/) were also common, without much response and progress.

Then in late December, katiecharm made this post (https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/7laim2/20000_aeon_rebase_bountydev_contract_possibly/). This time smooth reacted differently, and released the task of rebasing to the community with the huge bounty. This immediately triggered DrParadoxically to speak up and make a lot of promising and ambitious words.

I personally don't like competing with people, and their team sounded like somewhat competitive, so I just thought I wouldn't need to step up and let them do the job and get the reward. In other words, the bounty disincentivized me to work on it. I ended up stepping up because smooth implied in his recent post (https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/7v03ct/clarification_about_goals_and_process_of_rebase/) that the rebase effort may not be going too well, and some emergency help may be needed.

If instead smooth declared that his rebase work isn't going to complete soon, and released the task to the community, but without any bounty, I would have started working on it immediately. The task itself turned out to be not that difficult for me, so we could've had the rebase done much earlier like September 2017.

I'll keep refusing to receive the reward, not because the avengers falsely accused me of stealing their code, but because I want to demonstrate that the bounty can sometimes have negative impact. I'm not saying that other developers shouldn't work for bounties in general; I might even join a bounty race for some cases. I just wish there weren't a huge bounty for this rebase, so that this shit drama wasn't caused in the first place.

@stoffu. But the bounty was needed to encourage developers to work and to have the rebase done more quickly.

If someone stepped up before all the drama, we would already be enjoying LMDB. Running an Aeon node now is a pain.

I am not saying it's you. But I was surprised that there were capable developers on Reddit when the bounty was offered. Where were they before the bounty?

I would disagree against both points, the bounty was needed to get this long awaited rebase across the line, AEON needed this rebase badly. As per the original bounty terms it was not set out as winner takes all but a shared bounty, from my view smooth is spot on with his decision to select your rebase submission.

The Redditard threads are to be ignored, all working rebase submissions will receive reward, it would seem from Reddit it is a who can piss the furthest competition rather than who produced the best code. You have produced the best code, as per peer review, you should take your portion of the bounty award as you duly deserve it.

I'm still against the idea of bounty, at least for this rebase, and am refusing to take the reward.

I remember one developer posted weeks ago he dont want the bounty, but i think that was the third one. Let me check. No it was stoffu.  But 9 days ago so way before he won:




Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/7w4dtj/rebase_submissions/

@heggerZ. More drama coming from one of Dr.Paradoxical's team members.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/7y3vrw/my_personal_opinion_on_stoffus_pr/

Then he makes a new thread that says what's done is done.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/7y8aw2/whats_done_is_done_lets_get_hype_about_the_near/

I hope this is the end of the drama, but I do not trust them. I will believe they have made peace if it comes from Dr.Paradoxical himself.

@boomboombazookajeff. They did not give us a chance. Someone else bought those cheap Aeons hehehe. We know it's you pegasus!

@Febo. I reckon stoffu us not accepting the bounty after the accusations against him.

Open source code stolen  . Horseshit drama

Smooth has already confirmed all teams who submitted working rebases will be rewarded from the bounty. Storm in a teacup by developers who should know better; stoffu has stated in reddit comments he will not take his portion of the bounty reward; that is unfair and he should b justly rewarded as per terms of the bounty

heh, "operation buy aeon" is commencing soon 

The avengers team.

Well in Crypto anything is positive. Only negative thing is if there is nothing.   Seems AEON is back on track.


"Other submissions will be declared runners up, will also receive a portion of the bounty, and are encouraged to submit their value-add, if any, as individual PRs following the conclusion of the rebase task."

So all good.

Some people who participated in the bounty said their code was copied and they will not take the issue sitting down.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/7y0wnj/smooth_declares_stoffus_pr_as_the_winning/

While I agree in smooth's decision in choosing stoffu's code over the rest, I reckon Dr.Paradoxical and his team will cause some drama for claiming that their code was stolen by stoffu.

This will not be good for the price. Prepare for operation buy Aeon hehehe.

When BTC gets ~$16,000 and the altcoins are pumped again, we'll see some more crypto fever. If BTC hits the $40-$50K range in the next year or so, as some are predicting, you'll see a whole new level of crypto fever.
Anyway, the party's just getting started.  

stoffu's rebase has been declared the Functionally Complete Rebase by Smooth and is now RC1. See post on AEON ANN thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30398999

What do you guys think about a crowdfunding of the Poloniex listing for AEON? I would be ready to spend some BTC or AEON for getting this done.

If it would be atacked you would first notice if blocks would start getting mined irregularly.  I am sure miners would notice the first hours if attack would happen. So we can be pretty sure that Monero was never 51% attacked.

If 99% of mining on Monero is made by botnets that dont mean that all those botnets operators would suddenly decided to work together and start spiting in their own food and do 51% attack that would reduce their revenue in the future.   Bot nets operators try to stay as anonymous as possible. So is sort of impossible to think 1000 of them would suddenly made a big bot net Monero operators conference where they would discus the possible attack.

ASIC mining would help the possible attacker yes. Because governments or corporations or someone really influential and rich could mch easier do it. Even cooperate to do it. Since with difference of botnets operators, USA and China government know each others phone numbers.

@jwinterm. I agree. I hope Aeon is listed back in Poloniex soon after rebase.

I reckon it was delisted because Aeon had a one man development team, and low Github activity than the lack of trading volume.

@Febo. So Monero is already 51% attacked? Maybe an argument could be made not to tweak the mining algorithm and allow Asics then. Sometimes an unpleasant decision has to be made for the security of the network.

No one can tell how much mining share have botnets operators in Monero. Can be 99%.

I also think that most transactions are made by miners, but it is same in Monero to. Approximately same amount is mined a day.




Volume will for sure pick up. AEON will be probably added to quite few exchanges relatively fast, since is still decent sized crypto coin an exchanges prefer them more then tokens.

Volume is absolutely anemic on bittrex atm. Will be interesting to see if things pick up when one of rebase candidates gets some traction.