Africa needs to fix continent, richest people are politicians - page 2.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 09, 2021, 07:44:29 AM

Well, they are good at shifting the blame. Robert Mugabe blamed all his problems on the "West" and his people were suffering under his regime. He was the President for that country from from 1987 to 2017 for 30 years and he almost destroyed that country.

Look at what is happening in South Africa.... The current government and local government is some of the most corrupt people on this planet. The so-called "Rainbow" nation has almost collapsed and some the Black people are the most racist people you can get. (Blaming everything on "White" people and "Colonization" and "Apartheid")

I work on projects in Africa and I go through South Africa to work in some African countries and it is quickly turning into a shithole. (Sorry if I offend people, but it is the truth.... I have been working and visiting Africa for 30 years and it is the worst I have seen it in almost 20 years.) Angry

South Africa is one of the most developed countries in the African continent, and ironically the reason for that is the white population. Compare South Africa to neighboring nations such as Mozambique and Madagascar. If the white people were not there, then they would have been in the same state as the residents of these countries. And now the blacks are trying to exterminate the white people and already around 25% of the white population has emigrated to the other countries.

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Quote from: Nickbryan10 on May 04, 2021, 07:05:12 AM

Forget Dangote and the rest of the billionaires, the richest people in Africa are politicians. Africans need to reevaluate and rethink their system, so much power is given to the politicians and without any checks or balances. How can an ex-governor not be tried in court for his mischievous activities because there is a written document that said so who signed the documents is it the populace? They loot millions of dollars and stack them up for their families whereas the masses are suffering.
They even go as far as banning the trading of cryptocurrencies because they feel people might benefit from it. When the world is enjoying it. African needs to be taken to the hospital and given proper treatment because they are moving backward. More strength to their youth as many are still thriving in the harsh environment.

Well, they are good at shifting the blame. Robert Mugabe blamed all his problems on the "West" and his people were suffering under his regime. He was the President for that country from from 1987 to 2017 for 30 years and he almost destroyed that country.

Look at what is happening in South Africa.... The current government and local government is some of the most corrupt people on this planet. The so-called "Rainbow" nation has almost collapsed and some the Black people are the most racist people you can get. (Blaming everything on "White" people and "Colonization" and "Apartheid")

I work on projects in Africa and I go through South Africa to work in some African countries and it is quickly turning into a shithole. (Sorry if I offend people, but it is the truth.... I have been working and visiting Africa for 30 years and it is the worst I have seen it in almost 20 years.) Angry

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It does not only happen in Africa. Other countries around the world have the same situation whereas people do not have the rights to control their own country. Most of the power belongs to the richest, baddest and most corruptive. That is why bitcoin is created. The decentralization will become an essential part of the world when there are less people trust the current system

Don't worry. They can ban bitcoin but it does not mean people is totally prevented from accessing the blockchain. There are methods helping you to bypass the authorities and join the future revolution

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Quote from: MFahad on May 09, 2021, 05:59:10 AM

Quote from: Nickbryan10 on May 04, 2021, 07:05:12 AM

Forget Dangote and the rest of the billionaires, the richest people in Africa are politicians. Africans need to reevaluate and rethink their system, so much power is given to the politicians and without any checks or balances.

This is true for most part of the under-developed countries around the world. The politicians in these countries misuse their powers and keep their country men as they were the king and the public are their slaves. These people will never let crypto grow in their country because they don't want people to get financial freedom.

I don't think they are against crypto because they don't want the people to find freedom financially, but I think it's because they are fool enough to not know enough about crypto themselves Grin

else they themselves would be investing in crypto Grin

these corrupt politicians are so gullible. If the common people mass protest physically and the army refuses to obey these politicians orders, it would be such a nice movement Grin

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Quote from: Nickbryan10 on May 04, 2021, 07:05:12 AM

Forget Dangote and the rest of the billionaires, the richest people in Africa are politicians. Africans need to reevaluate and rethink their system, so much power is given to the politicians and without any checks or balances.

This is true for most part of the under-developed countries around the world. The politicians in these countries misuse their powers and keep their country men as they were the king and the public are their slaves. These people will never let crypto grow in their country because they don't want people to get financial freedom.

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You know, in these cases I support the invasion of developed countries to overthrow the corrupt politicians, even if that's against ethics. While the collateral damages for a foreign invasion always results in killings of Innocents, this is the only possible way to restore people's rights and democracy when every other option is closed and people are oppressed! Sadly, most human rights activists ignore their pleas and focuses on political activities!

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Quote from: Nickbryan10 on May 04, 2021, 07:05:12 AM

Forget Dangote and the rest of the billionaires, the richest people in Africa are politicians. Africans need to reevaluate and rethink their system, so much power is given to the politicians and without any checks or balances. How can an ex-governor not be tried in court for his mischievous activities because there is a written document that said so who signed the documents is it the populace? They loot millions of dollars and stack them up for their families whereas the masses are suffering.
They even go as far as banning the trading of cryptocurrencies because they feel people might benefit from it. When the world is enjoying it. African needs to be taken to the hospital and given proper treatment because they are moving backward. More strength to their youth as many are still thriving in the harsh environment.

If politicians are the only people rich in your country then why people still elect them? On next election people should erase them on their balots and find those politician who have political will to make your country better. Its no use at all if citizens will continue to trust them since your country cannot advance if corrupt officials are still on tgeir sets.

The problem is in most African countries including mine, it is really not about the vote. Yes people understands this and some are willing to make the change but poverty and the entire corrupt system still keeps this people in office. People sell their votes for money, Pulling station officers are bought to change results. The entire system is corrupt it will take a miracle for most African countries to have a free and fair election.

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As long as corruption has an effect the continent of Africa cannot be fixed there is a lot of inequality between rich and poor. Wealthy people do not interfere in everything in the case of politicians one example of corruption is tax evasion which reduces government resources the lost tax income may be invested in a productive project tax evasion on the african continent hinders growth because of inadequate taxes the government cannot increase public investment in public welfare which the private sector never does. In addition inadequate government investment in the infrastructure sector discourages private investment in the productive sector.

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Corruption is one of the vital reason why africa is developing slow. I believe in their people but the officials there are so abusive in power. Another one is education should be one of the most prioritize project in the continent. I believe if people of their residence know more about their current situation, they will strive more and will try to pursue the developments where they should be.

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Quote from: peter0425 on May 07, 2021, 05:15:42 AM

That will happen if the government is literally corrupt and knowing African continent ? yeah they are the Most corrupt government in the world so No wonder why their politicians are the richest in their kind.

if they will change the system then they will change the continent .

they seem to extract the wealth of the country which was previously for the prosperity of the people and now for personal gain. therefore it is not surprising that the number of poor people is increasing. and I think there must be an opposition party to bring him down

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That will happen if the government is literally corrupt and knowing African continent ? yeah they are the Most corrupt government in the world so No wonder why their politicians are the richest in their kind.

if they will change the system then they will change the continent .

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there has to be an economic development on some part for people to realize the inequality in the area that they will revolt against the ruling politicians. but then most of the native Africans got used to it already which is much harder to make them get out of that realm. they have been that way for many generations and the new generations already see it as normal.

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Is it like that just in Africa?!

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Rodolphe Archibald Reiss (8 July 1875 – 7 August 1929) was a German-Swiss criminology-pioneer, forensic scientist, professor, and writer. When Serbia was overrun in 1915 he joined the Serbian Army in its retreat across Albania to return with the victorious Serbian Army when it liberated Belgrade in the final days of the war. He was known as a great friend of Serbia and the Serbian people and after the war decided to stay and live in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia... As a legacy to the Serbian people, he left an unpublished manuscript Ecoutez les Serbes! "Listen Serbs!"

So this guy wrote that manuscript, it's an interesting story... and there is one part about the government people... "I do not know a single minister who did not get rich during his term"!
He wrote that 100 years ago, and I think it's still the same! Nothing changed... People get into politics to get rich or to keep their wealth safe because these politicians are controlling the police, the military, and of course all sort of secret agencies!
I guess I understand why the richest people in Africa are politicians or close with them... it's the same here in my country. How to change that? What needs to happen? People to wake up?! I am not sure about that part...

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Quote from: wahyu wida on May 06, 2021, 10:24:39 AM

Quote from: Lorence.xD on May 06, 2021, 07:46:27 AM

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it seems that greed and corruption are problems for every country, even though the death penalty is imposed, this seems to have become a human trait that tends to have no satisfaction in itself, making it a greedy human being. but in every country, of course, there are various ways to reduce these human vices, and I am sure that the future will be better

The problem is that these corrupt people are doing what they want because they know that they have connections that are so powerful that they are deemed untouchable. If the people woke up from all the bullshit that these corrupt people serve, I am sure that we will be able to slowly destroy corruption.

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Quote from: DigitalFox on May 06, 2021, 01:51:52 AM

This map carries a lot of incorrect information, I wonder who created it. Besides, it's over 10 years old.

Got it from Wikipedia, so it is not entirely reliable. But the information is at least 90% correct. A majority of the African countries are shown to be under some form of dictatorship (either military or civilian). Countries such as Chad and Sudan are still under military dictatorships, while military leaders have been overthrown from some countries such as Zimbabwe. But it gives an overall picture. The number of military dictatorships is much higher in Africa, when compared to any other region in the world.

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Quote from: lixer on May 06, 2021, 04:42:31 PM

There is the discussion. Everyone talks about soviet union, venezuela, china, cuba and many other places and say that it is a failed communist state and nobody talks about the fact that ALL the power is at the hands of the few. Anyone who read animal farm would know that communism starts great but then becomes horrible because people who are at the top is untouchable and anything that they say is the law. As long as that continues, it will always be a problem. Same goes for most other nations as well.

I find it kind of funny when I see George Orwell (who was writing his books - fiction books - as a warning to society he lived in) being referred to as a source of knowledge about communism

And you are quite wrong about being untouchable too. I'd elaborate on that but this would be offtopic for this thread.

Quote from: lixer on May 06, 2021, 04:42:31 PM

I know europe is not bad about this, they are doing alright, and even USA is doing "decent" by most nation standards because they can at least change their presidents whenever they want to vote that person out (which happened recently). However there are so many nations where there is one person and they keep becoming president for life, and that is the real trouble.

How many years is Merkel at power? And Helmut Kohl before her? Or Bush family? Mind you, I'm not pointing fingers, just trying to say that everywhere is more or less the same. We live in imperialistic (refer to Marx for clear definition) world that is ruled by capital. Presidents are just the store front.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on May 06, 2021, 07:46:27 AM

I believe that we can reach that point, yes the human nature is pretty selfish but if little by little we raise at least a small percentage of generation that is virtuous, I think that it is enough because they know what to do, they raise more of it and lead. The problem with the USSR is that it landed on the hands of Stalin and almost everyone on the position of power is power hungry.

There is the discussion. Everyone talks about soviet union, venezuela, china, cuba and many other places and say that it is a failed communist state and nobody talks about the fact that ALL the power is at the hands of the few. Anyone who read animal farm would know that communism starts great but then becomes horrible because people who are at the top is untouchable and anything that they say is the law. As long as that continues, it will always be a problem. Same goes for most other nations as well.

I know europe is not bad about this, they are doing alright, and even USA is doing "decent" by most nation standards because they can at least change their presidents whenever they want to vote that person out (which happened recently). However there are so many nations where there is one person and they keep becoming president for life, and that is the real trouble.

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Quote from: Nickbryan10 on May 04, 2021, 07:05:12 AM

Forget Dangote and the rest of the billionaires, the richest people in Africa are politicians. Africans need to reevaluate and rethink their system, so much power is given to the politicians and without any checks or balances. How can an ex-governor not be tried in court for his mischievous activities because there is a written document that said so who signed the documents is it the populace? They loot millions of dollars and stack them up for their families whereas the masses are suffering.
They even go as far as banning the trading of cryptocurrencies because they feel people might benefit from it. When the world is enjoying it. African needs to be taken to the hospital and given proper treatment because they are moving backward. More strength to their youth as many are still thriving in the harsh environment.

Sadly there is little hope for countries that have not gotten their act together already. Many countries in Africa are either crippled by in-fighting, or (as you say) the politicians are flooded with money from overseas. First it was "western" countries that used to ferment unrest and make major profit from the locals, many of those countries have cleaned up their act a tiny bit - in the form of anti-bribery and corruption laws that apply to their people everywhere. That just left a small void which has since been filled by less than ethical countries like China. China is a rising power and will take advantage of any country that can be useful. They will happily take over assets like ports (which can help their fishing fleets) or mining operations, in return for things like rail infrastructure improvements. These improvements do help, but cost huge sums and of course the officials get ridiculously high pay offs. Cryptocurrency will do a lot to help the average person in Africa who do not have access to banking and need secure ways to store digital currency, however they do need access to reliable internet services to achieve this as well.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on May 06, 2021, 03:31:03 AM

If we don't raise a generation any different from the generation that raised us then corruption isn't going to go anywhere. And if people that will precede this corrupt people is going to do a different thing and not be corrupted then corruption is going to be destroyed slowly but surely.

I really wish for that, but it’s going to be a really difficult thing as any one of them that goes into politics gets corrupted by the evil leaders that are already there and they end up being the same people. When a good sheep finds itself in the midst of corrupt sheep, there are many chances that it will turn out to be the same.

But, all we can do is hope. Although I do think that sometimes it’s up to the people, the leaders are just like a reflection of what we are. And when we don’t hold these people responsible for bad stuffs they do, things will continue to be worse. So it’s up to us as the people to always react and fight against bad leadership.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on May 06, 2021, 07:46:27 AM

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on May 06, 2021, 03:31:03 AM

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I'm afraid that's just impossible. It's in human's nature, I doubt it will ever change. Entire human history is a story about greed and corruption. By the way, that's exactly why USSR failed in their dream about communist society where everyone gives to the extent of his abilities and receives anything he wants.

I believe that we can reach that point, yes the human nature is pretty selfish but if little by little we raise at least a small percentage of generation that is virtuous, I think that it is enough because they know what to do, they raise more of it and lead. The problem with the USSR is that it landed on the hands of Stalin and almost everyone on the position of power is power hungry.

it seems that greed and corruption are problems for every country, even though the death penalty is imposed, this seems to have become a human trait that tends to have no satisfaction in itself, making it a greedy human being. but in every country, of course, there are various ways to reduce these human vices, and I am sure that the future will be better

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