Topic: After ASIC what comes next? (Read 12732 times)
Asics forever.
You asked so here it is! YesMiners.http://www.yesminers.de/en/mining.html?acc=1679091c5a880faf6fb5e6087eb1b2dc YesMiners was founded in 2014 by a small group of German high-tech veterans with the aim to build he best possible miners from scratch.
Partnerships with the world's most innovative suppliers are guaranteeing extremely efficient Bitcoin Miners with the latest 16nm 3D FinFET process. This technology provides performance improvements by a factor of 8 and at the same time 80% less power requirements.
10Th and 20Th units! Wow! Ready to start mining again?
Partnerships with the world's most innovative suppliers are guaranteeing extremely efficient Bitcoin Miners with the latest 16nm 3D FinFET process. This technology provides performance improvements by a factor of 8 and at the same time 80% less power requirements.
10Th and 20Th units! Wow! Ready to start mining again?
The yesminers site has scam all over it. I like the way the site says their miners are "In Stock" yet have a "Shipping Date: January 2016". Claiming 20 TH from 1,500 Watts for an existing miner is just not believable. Especially from someone no-one had heard off. Sorry.
It is likely yesminers have based their material on what KNC hope to eventually accomplish.
There have been similar claims/scams/vapourware in the past about companies having 16nm 3D FinFET based miners. See
http://bitcoinbrothers.de/press/pr20141103
You asked so here it is! YesMiners.http://www.yesminers.de/en/mining.html?acc=1679091c5a880faf6fb5e6087eb1b2dc YesMiners was founded in 2014 by a small group of German high-tech veterans with the aim to build he best possible miners from scratch.
Partnerships with the world's most innovative suppliers are guaranteeing extremely efficient Bitcoin Miners with the latest 16nm 3D FinFET process. This technology provides performance improvements by a factor of 8 and at the same time 80% less power requirements.
10Th and 20Th units! Wow! Ready to start mining again?
Partnerships with the world's most innovative suppliers are guaranteeing extremely efficient Bitcoin Miners with the latest 16nm 3D FinFET process. This technology provides performance improvements by a factor of 8 and at the same time 80% less power requirements.
10Th and 20Th units! Wow! Ready to start mining again?
In terms of ROI you make better money installing a solar rooftop than an ASIC miner.
Just sayin.
Just sayin.
I am following closely the developments of FPGA boards. I know there's a lot of talk back and forth but it's worthwhile exploring in my opinion.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
If you don't mind my asking, why look at FPGA when ASIC is around?
It seems like the hashrates are minimal, still costs a bomb, not sure I see the point?
I am following closely the developments of FPGA boards. I know there's a lot of talk back and forth but it's worthwhile exploring in my opinion.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
yes the performance of a bit better speed its also needed for the diff rising in sha 256 for instances the speed its also important but the efeceiancy and watts consumpition are also good for performance the improvments will ocurr but may not need to call a difrent thing from asic its asic and does sha 256 and scrypt and maybe X11 or soo in future for all the coins
What will happen is process shrinks. So from say 22nm to 16nm which will result in a larger possible density of the chip, but that costs more so the product gets more expensive so less people buy the product and so on...
We need more efficient designs of current chips so we get more for less.
We need more efficient designs of current chips so we get more for less.
The future of ASIC mining is in efficiency. We don't need to get faster, we need to get smarter. I think we're at a speed plateau, there's not really a reason to get much faster, but there is reason to become more efficient.
I wish every electronic device in my house had some ASICs in them for hashing, would save me serious heating bills in the winter.
I wish every electronic device in my house had some ASICs in them for hashing, would save me serious heating bills in the winter.
It is a shame the the difficulty is so high right now and the BTC rate so low. In order to ROI you have to invest so much at them moment, and then there are all these issues with hardware manufacturers that deliver way too later, or go bankrupt and don't deliver at all.
I loved mining, just hearing the noise, seeing the hash rates, lights blinking, loved it. Also the fact that you could invest a "normal" amount to make some BTC.
Even whatever comes after ASIC will be a big players game.
Yeah, I wonder how strong would the next miner be. Would definitely be a game changer. I loved mining, just hearing the noise, seeing the hash rates, lights blinking, loved it. Also the fact that you could invest a "normal" amount to make some BTC.
Even whatever comes after ASIC will be a big players game.
It would have to be unbearably powerful and extremely cheap..
If only the feverish grab for money and innovation was filtered into solar. Feed back into the network and bingo, money back or at least self reliance.
After ASICs come computers that are made from something other than matter and occupy something other than space 
ASIC is a clas off dedicated chips. After ASICS you get more ASICS using smaller transistors. The tech to build them already exists, its only a matter of economics now.
Yes this could be possible, just it's a question of bitcoin price and electricity price. As now I don't fit in with current btc/electricity ratio.They do not need to make better chips.
First asic was 6-9 watts a gh.
Best shown was Asic Miner at .3-.4 watts
Best for sale is .48 watts at the wall. so first asic to best is 15 to 20x better.
but GPUS were 1000 watts to 1 gh so the first asic was 150x better then a gpu.
What is needed now is better power prices. If I am in Tennessee at 8 cents a kwatt a simple move to Washington state and I drop to 3 or 4 cents a kwatt..
So the next asic chip will drop us to .2-.3 watts at the wall from .48 watts at the wall. What is easier for a big guy make a better chip or setup in Washington state?
We are not going to see 150x improvements in watts to gh anymore.
We may see a movement to replace this
with this
Well old oil electric heaters indeed maybe the future of miners. If you not got central heating system buy 3x asic machines drop into each room sort of pay for their self when on untill mining gets so hard and becomes as waste like normal energy heating does puts a dint into your wallet.
I don't really know if we have means to produce more advances chips than ASICS are now. They only thing that will probably change is manufacturing process and new technology (smaller 14 nm chips).
Technological advancements, should make miners more powerful than Asics. I am sure that kind hardware already exists, its just a matter of time they get into mining bitcoins 
ASIC is a clas off dedicated chips. After ASICS you get more ASICS using smaller transistors. The tech to build them already exists, its only a matter of economics now.
Yes this could be possible, just it's a question of bitcoin price and electricity price. As now I don't fit in with current btc/electricity ratio.They do not need to make better chips.
First asic was 6-9 watts a gh.
Best shown was Asic Miner at .3-.4 watts
Best for sale is .48 watts at the wall. so first asic to best is 15 to 20x better.
but GPUS were 1000 watts to 1 gh so the first asic was 150x better then a gpu.
What is needed now is better power prices. If I am in Tennessee at 8 cents a kwatt a simple move to Washington state and I drop to 3 or 4 cents a kwatt..
So the next asic chip will drop us to .2-.3 watts at the wall from .48 watts at the wall. What is easier for a big guy make a better chip or setup in Washington state?
We are not going to see 150x improvements in watts to gh anymore.
We may see a movement to replace this
with this
I don't really know if we have means to produce more advances chips than ASICS are now. They only thing that will probably change is manufacturing process and new technology (smaller 14 nm chips).
ASIC is a clas off dedicated chips. After ASICS you get more ASICS using smaller transistors. The tech to build them already exists, its only a matter of economics now.
Yes this could be possible, just it's a question of bitcoin price and electricity price. As now I don't fit in with current btc/electricity ratio. I think the future will be along the lines of much better asic technology and octicore asics or getting to the dual stages then quad and going even faster as the technology comes out to produce. No doubt in the future and not far away is mineral cores for computers so no doubt when asic technology is developed more then faster asic equipment will come along. But then comes power consumption and given that some 1TH rigs are using 400 to 500watt per device has come along away considering it use to be like 90GH using 600 to 700watt and now a fraction of that can be used in some of the newer systems using 5w for 100GH in newer technology.
I would love to see a 5 th miner that does 80 watts at the wall with temps at say 26C maybe 60c tops OC . that would be very impressive then become history then we would see more and more of it even lower watts with more speed which were starting to see now but not like that, yet .
TO be honest it is not far off it right now. CXonsidering we got the ant s5's hitting out what 1.1TH of power for maybe 500 to 600w give it a few more years and theri will be faster tech then current out no doubt about it along with smaller chips and a way to cool them a lot quicker and they run a lot less hotter than currently. No doubt in next year or so when AMD get their new chips out am sure that the tech will come once again to shrink the chips down even more and go faster and use less energy to use.
I think the future will be along the lines of much better asic technology and octicore asics or getting to the dual stages then quad and going even faster as the technology comes out to produce. No doubt in the future and not far away is mineral cores for computers so no doubt when asic technology is developed more then faster asic equipment will come along. But then comes power consumption and given that some 1TH rigs are using 400 to 500watt per device has come along away considering it use to be like 90GH using 600 to 700watt and now a fraction of that can be used in some of the newer systems using 5w for 100GH in newer technology.
I would love to see a 5 th miner that does 80 watts at the wall with temps at say 26C maybe 60c tops OC . that would be very impressive then become history then we would see more and more of it even lower watts with more speed which were starting to see now but not like that, yet .
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