After Sinbad, which mixer is Next To Be Shutdown? - page 2.

Husires

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So far, mixers are legal, but no one knows what will happen in the future, but events such as the FTX have accelerated the issuance of many laws that restrict many exchanges, and the SEC may not have been as strict as it is currently, which means that more activities of darknet mixers will make it necessary to issue laws related to mixers.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 01, 2023, 12:52:24 AM

We have bestmixer, chipmixer, blender.io etc that were promoted in this forum and has been seized, but until now there's no bold action. AFAIK only Sinbad that theymos decide to ban the account and move it to archival after the project is seized.

I do not think that the reason for their ban is that they are a mixer, but rather an attempt to continue advertising even after it has been seized, which means continuing to advertise something illegal, which is prohibited according to the rules.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on December 01, 2023, 12:18:53 AM

A mixer can last in forum as long as they want only if they follow the rules and regulations of mixers because their is something that I have observed that is putting all the mixing companies into problems, if mixer want to go against the rule and regulations of mixer it when they do have problem, so a mixer that want to last is not supposed to do against the rules and regulations of mixer, so their is some certain things that the remaining mixer in the forum have to do correctly, if they want to last let them leave money laundering alone, the crime mixers commit can affect bitcointalk or bring attention of law enforcement agencies to the forum, if I'm not sure that the case of sinbad.io will not bring attraction to forum

There's no regulations or rules that the mixer need to follow, they're actually an open market and they don't consider about taint, every Satoshi is fungible.

If someone want to start a project that you need to follow the regulations or rules, they should create a centralized exchange, not mixer.

We have bestmixer, chipmixer, blender.io etc that were promoted in this forum and has been seized, but until now there's no bold action. AFAIK only Sinbad that theymos decide to ban the account and move it to archival after the project is seized.

We're not yet in the moment where posting mixer ANN is illegal and I hope it will not happen.

Quote from: theymos on November 30, 2023, 05:42:44 AM

Bitcointalk.org is not a darknet site. Linking to illegal services is not allowed. As mentioned in the law-enforcement press release, "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal." But a seized mixer is rather different from just any old mixer. Sinbad, if still operating, is now clearly a darknet site, and therefore not allowed on bitcointalk.org.

The OP is banned. This topic is archived. The onion address is wordfiltered, and bypassing the wordfilter will get you banned.

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As owlcatz already said, all of them. I think he is correct and eventually all get seized at some point. Then poker player has a good point as well mentioning legislation to put laws in place against them.

Whenever a government is not getting what they think is their fair share, the service, website, company, or whatever will always be deemed illegal. Why do they think they're entitled to a piece of every dollar we have? Basically, cause we are dumb enough to let it happen. American revolution comes to mind. I though they revolted due to all the taxation, but nope more and more taxes. I could go on and on here, but it's pointless.

Another concern, will they ever pursue legal action (criminal or civil) against those who promote the mixers? I've seen stories about ronaldo promoting Banince, Tom Brady and FTX, Shaq and FTX, and so on. Gotta be a reason theymos isn't allowing staff to join the mixers as well. Think about it folks. While everyone using a mixer isn't breaking the law, a good number are.

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Quote from: AliErkic on November 30, 2023, 05:36:31 PM

Simple question, difficult answer.
Many mixers are active on Bitcointalk but how long will each one last?
Seems to be just a matter of time until we'll have our next mixer shutdown.

A mixer can last in forum as long as they want only if they follow the rules and regulations of mixers because their is something that I have observed that is putting all the mixing companies into problems, if mixer want to go against the rule and regulations of mixer it when they do have problem, so a mixer that want to last is not supposed to do against the rules and regulations of mixer, so their is some certain things that the remaining mixer in the forum have to do correctly, if they want to last let them leave money laundering alone, the crime mixers commit can affect bitcointalk or bring attention of law enforcement agencies to the forum, if I'm not sure that the case of sinbad.io will not bring attraction to forum

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on November 30, 2023, 10:29:23 PM

Laws have already begun that try to collect more information about blenders or make them illegal, for example Proposal of Special Measure Regarding Convertible Virtual Currency Mixing, as a Class of Transactions of Primary Money Laundering Concern AGENCY: Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), Treasury

That's what I'm afraid of. We are heading towards societies where the public authorities will have total information about the population in real time with tools such as CBDCs and digital identity. It is only a matter of time before laws against mixers are passed. Since the administration is slow and passing laws takes a while, it's not going to happen tomorrow but I won't be surprised if in a couple of years or so we see the first anti-mixer legislation.

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Mixers who have problems or conflicts with certain government authorities will be detected very quickly. A new one will emerge but it may not last long because attention to mixers will probably increase after several cases involving mixers that we know of.
the investigation was of course not simple, and it could not cover all mixers thoroughly. but maybe every mixer will get attention and when it is discovered that there is a problem, maybe gradually all mixers may stop and will no longer be popular.

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As I mentioned on a previous topic which I quote:

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In the case of Sinbad.io, more than 50 percent of all mixed cryptocurrencies were found to have a criminal origin. In the case of Sinbad . io, there are no measures in place to implement and enforce a Know Your Customer (KYC) or Know Your Transaction (KYT) policy.

Without seizing the servers, and having the customers’ data recorded and then ensuring that the percentage is higher than 50% and then arresting them, this was determined in advance when they tracked the servers and tried to shut down the service.

I think that the government's policy towards the mixers will be to force them to provide and record data and close every large mixer that does not cooperate.

If you want to know the second mixer that will be closed, look for a mixer that has become large, or whose name has begun to be mentioned with every hacker case, or that has been linked to the addresses of a hacker group such as the Lazarus group, and then it will be on the list, which may mean that they will track the servers of that mixer and try to stop it.

Laws have already begun that try to collect more information about blenders or make them illegal, for example Proposal of Special Measure Regarding Convertible Virtual Currency Mixing, as a Class of Transactions of Primary Money Laundering Concern AGENCY: Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), Treasury

Until then and these laws are passed, mixers are not necessarily illegal and are used to enhance privacy (Which is necessary.)

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No one knows how long Mixer will last, if it doesn't encounter any problems, maybe their lifespan is longer than ever thought. The mixer is not turned off, there are legal procedures that can bring it buried more quickly. The legal process will proceed in stages from investigation to final decision depending on how big the case is.
Previously it was Chipmixer, now Sinbad.io is starting to encounter cases. Everything is still possible, it is possible that there will be more Mixers who will follow them or maybe other Mixers will be more careful in running their business.

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No way to know this as a user.
If you are to receive fund from a mixer or interact with it in any way, it's better to do so in an address where you control the private key to, otherwise they might be seized from services contacted by the authorities.
Already users in the sinbad thread reported that they had this happen to them.

It's risky business.
Ironically, you need to mix funds from mixers again before you can actually use them...
Maybe BTC mixers will have to start paying in Monero.

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How is this a reputation board topic? Shouldn't it be in the service discussion board?

Mixers just don't get shutdown randomly. The law enforcement is mostly targeting those mixers that they believe have been used to launder Bitcoins from “Terrorists” or Hackers they think are state controlled, such as the Lazarus group.

Once a mixer comes in their radar to have been used to launder such Bitcoin, then next thing you that would be likely to happen is a seizure after investigations. So it's a process. If all mixers were to be shutdown at an instant, we wouldn't have many today, especially on the Clearnet. Take an example of a mixer from 2016, it's still there to this date.

As of now, we don't know which mixer could be heavily used by the enemies of the Government next.

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All of them eventually, most likely.

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Simple question, difficult answer.
Many mixers are active on Bitcointalk but how long will each one last?
Seems to be just a matter of time until we'll have our next mixer shutdown.

Pick your one, which is next!

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