Topic: Agonizing situation. It's like bitcoins have their own will. Stupid problems. (Read 1460 times)

lol

Need a service that sends you checks
We have cavirtex and canadianbitcoin here
Also no government should have control of the internet heck that would be a war for me if it ever happened in my country
Stuff would go down that day but so would as many alternate paths around the block as possible
Reread it damn that's a challenge
Guess Plan X
Go to Another country for a trip and vacation meet up with a bud use their address make an order on their exchange for a cheque
Cash out at Western Union or Moneybank or Payday loan or make a banking account in a country that has strict name protection and then deposit it, or Plan C Same as above but go to the US and use localbitcoins
Either way your on a vacation while selling bitcoins as a reward for your smart investment XD
And you can diversify your currency lol if you keep travelling around using localbitcoins haha

Interesting read

Taxes are what is going to give to your city streets,hospitals and basic services...
The problems aren't the taxes,the problems are those individuals who steal our money by asking us to pay double the taxes so that they can take the bigger part and put it in their pockets...

Taxes are THE MOST VITAL PART OF A SOCIETY nowadays !
If you don't pay taxes , EVERYTHING COLLAPSES !!! EVEN YOUR BITCOINS !!!

Don't play the role of the "anarchists" people...Bitcoins will be regulated too or else this whole thing will hurt everybody...

I mean, who do you think there is behind this ?? HACKERS ?? You'd better call 'em ECONOMISTS/BANKERS !!
LOL !!!

Imagine the day the government shuts internet down,or the day your ISP steals your hashes out...
It's gonna be reality soon...

Yes. Weight at the equator is about 0.5% less than it is at the poles.

You just need to find a way to transport the gold (or anything else bought/sold by weight) at a cost less than 0.5% of the purchase price.

Hahaha good one!

Maybe this would be something? http://www.phun.org/newspics/funny_friday/4924.jpg

 


Bumping and asking for opinions here!

Consider buying gold with the bitcoins and have it sent to you physically. Gold is easy to sell under the table.

Mm. Yes I've been thinking about that too.

Chaining qoutes and replies, like a boss.


Yes, you are absolutely right. I'm not so fond of it. Well, I don't want to sell my bitcoins as of today, I'm guessing we will be experiencing a dip after the next difficulty level raises and there's some influx because of the speed of the asics, but that's really good for me. I will invest a bit more if my theory comes true.

Ah yes, the sheer quantity is a problem.

Ah. Sweden's been cracking down on offshore-ers. They've signed treaties with most countries on that list. It's still a good idea though! There are still some countries that doesnt give out info.

Well, bullions of gold and such is pretty standard in the US, right? Here it's not. I just can't think of how anyone would have $54k in gold here in Sweden. Over the decades we've been stripped of our rights as citizens.

Very intresting. I glanced at ripple, it looks promising! Will look that up further.
I will move. I do need to liquidate BTC100 for the move, but that shouldn't be that hard. I also have a job which I don't need to be physically at to do, so yeah. I've been planning to move for a couple of months now.

It's possible to bring 10.000 euro legally, but honestly, I think it's possible to bring more.

Ah, interesting. I wonder if it's possible to get ahold of Rick.

Ah. Yes that's a valid theory. I could cashout €10k every time, that's what we're allowed to bring back and then siphon it back into the bank account over a year or more. Slow but possible.

I won't sell my bitcoins at the current rate. I believe in them.

Yes but even if I did, what are the payment forms? Cash? Also, I don't think it's possible to sell all of it, the market is kinda limited.

No or well. Yeah. I am currently looking for a method to cash my bitcoins out, but that's simply because if I were in need can get myself some food with kronor, but I can't get anything with BTC. That's the sad truth here. I won't cash them out right now, as I've stated above. I'm hoping for it to be a widespread and known currency, but I fear it'll only take place as the king of online currencies.

Yeah. That works if people pay by cash! Thanks for a good reply everyone by the way.

Yes. I could use the Euro here in Sweden, well, decently anyway. So that would probably work, but I'll check it out more later.
No. Trading isn't a vial method here in Sweden. I am yet to see any business accept it. Or well. Actually there's a door company that accepts bitcoins. But yeah... Doors. Kapiton needs verification, but it's a good idea.

I'm a newbie in this matter. Can I just be honest and tell them "Yes, I invested while BTC was low and now I wanna deposit the cash in here" or do I need to have some kind of reciept like in Sweden, it feels like any bank would like some proof of it. The money is mine, but I mean.. That's all I can give them for proof?



Thank you all for the speedy replies, it's much appreciated. As I said in the beginning, I've been planning a move to some warm place, however, wouldn't the same rules apply for like Spain, Thailand, Indonesia or something?

Another popular method with setting up offshore accounts, is setting us a credit card linked to that account. That way you can use the c.c for your daily purchases in your home country and the bank a/c and money is overseas.

Of course, the best method is likely to spend your coins on items you would purchase anyway.
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade

For things where bitcoins aren't (yet) accepted like rent, utilities, food, local retail purchases that won't help.

Are Euro useful to you?
Bitcoins In Berlin will send them via the mail to you.
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoins_In_Berlin


Not just an analogy, but another idea.

You can buy gold and silver bullion with bitcoins, and then trade the bullion locally for cash.

There's also another method.  Kapiton.se is a market exchange.  I don't know if you need to verify your identity to register and use that exchange.  Let's say you don't.  You can then trade BTCs to SEKs, but then not withdraw anything to your bank.  That will give you the ability to convert BTCs to SEKs so that you aren't further exposed to the BTC/SEK exchange rate risk.

Then at some future point in time, you can offer to sell bitcoins for cash, and when you find a buyer you simply use those SEKs in your account at the exchange to purchase bitcoins at whatever is the current exchange rate at the time and withdraw the coins for delivery to your buyer.

Ya man. Go p2p for cash.

I think you need to go p2p... https://localbitcoins.com/country/SE

Very simple
Take a train ride to neighboring country; cash out and bring it back; deposit small amounts every weeks back into your accounts.
I would recommend that you keep a good portion though in btc.

Maybe take a short vacation to a less socialist country that's nearby.  Is it easy to bring Euros in Sweden and then sell them a little bit at a time?

Also, it appears that Rick Falkvinge might have some experience selling BTC in Sweden.  He might be willing to provide you with some advice.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2011/10/virtual-currencies

The long-term rate can possibly be 0% if you're in the 10-15% tax bracket. Just a heads up in case it applies to you.

I have the same problem in the United States.  Except that here the long term capital gains tax rate is 20%, if you are not too rich.  I'm going to pay it.  Problem solved.

It has been my life's ambition to have a large long term capital gains tax bill.

Step 1.  If the country is that bad, leave.

Step 2.  Do not sell the bitcoins.  If they become as popular and valuable as you seem to think they will become some day, it will be because they can be used without having to sell them.  You will just spend the bitcoins for the things you want to purchase.

Don't know if you would like this idea, but you could deposit some of them in a Ripple account (effectively converting them to XRP.) They could then be withdrawn through a gateway like Bitstamp in whatever national currency you please, whenever you want them, in whatever quantity you wish.