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legendary
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March 31, 2024, 07:31:30 AM
#60
I had to check the Stake signature campaign to confirm this because I had doubts about their payment structure. It will not be possible to check direct payments from Stake to their campaign participants as they are sent to the participants Stake account.

As for all his know addresses since the account was purchased by the current owner, I will take a look at them and try to find if a connection can be made.

I see a lot of the figmentofmyass behaviour in the puppeteer currently controlling the borovichok account with one exception. One did not use AI the other does. Could he have evolved to using AI since his previous farmed accounts were exposed?

That's a real possibility. Would probably be worth it to take a look at his addresses and see if there's any connections. There's no doubt in my mind his account was sold at least once over the years (probably twice, just taking a cursory glance at his post history).
legendary
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March 31, 2024, 01:43:17 AM
#59
I see a lot of the figmentofmyass behaviour in the puppeteer currently controlling the borovichok account with one exception. One did not use AI the other does. Could he have evolved to using AI since his previous farmed accounts were exposed?

That's a real possibility. Would probably be worth it to take a look at his addresses and see if there's any connections. There's no doubt in my mind his account was sold at least once over the years (probably twice, just taking a cursory glance at his post history).

You never know, anything can happen and I know very old legendary accounts that are scammers and cheaters, so rank doesn't mean much this days, but I have this guy on my ignore list already.

Yes that's true. I guess merits are still a pretty good indicator. When I see a Legendary with very few merits posting b.s. out of the blue, for the first time in months/years, it does raise my eyebrows. Meanwhile accounts like the one I was conversing with earlier just slowly grind their way to Legendary status, and looking at his post history all I can conclude is that merit count doesn't actually mean much either.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
legendary
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March 30, 2024, 07:46:44 AM
#58
It somewhat saddens me that accounts like yours will one day be Legendary.
You never know, anything can happen and I know very old legendary accounts that are scammers and cheaters, so rank doesn't mean much this days, but I have this guy on my ignore list already.

I don't think it's enough to check content of members with only  one AI detection tool, but if five or six tools are used, and member is writing above normal amount of posts, than he is obviously AI spammer for sure.
I heard some news that borovichok found a new place to share his AI ''wisdom''  Tongue
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March 30, 2024, 06:50:23 AM
#57
When he has that many accounts (and has been adding from a several of them to via signature campaigns, competitions and bounties to his income) he can behave with as much audacity as he wants because he believes he has the right.

In the end, he got away with using this borovichok account for a long time since he purchased it and on that basis, if he uses any and all of his traded accounts for that length of time to enrol on the Stake (and other) campaigns it would mean he is still ahead in financial terms but what about the damage to the forum when/if the merit system is abused or the trust system manipulated?

I see a lot of the figmentofmyass behaviour in the puppeteer currently controlling the borovichok account with one exception. One did not use AI the other does. Could he have evolved to using AI since his previous farmed accounts were exposed?

I'm sorry, but I'll have to agree with nutildah on this one. Borovichok is practically still denying the findings from the AI detectors, and claiming that he'll return to this thread to prove us all wrong. Still playing the victim mentality that he has fallen a victim of inaccurate findings from AI detectors. Even on the previous reports, he was still blaming something else, that his English was too perfect or that grammar correctors made his posts susceptible to the AI scanners.

It's astonishing that he's still playing the victim here, when he already had two chances to stop using AI. That's some audacity in there.
hero member
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March 30, 2024, 05:45:38 AM
#56
I read it and it is clearly stated that your respond didn't correspond with borovichok and even with LoyceV comment. You just want to interpret it to your own way and trying to justify the comment. What borovichok said is very clear and any interpretation can be used for future reference. This is the jury in the forum and our comments must be clear for everyone understanding and not a personal Glossary Of Legal Terms. Well the guy in question has already gave up his account but according to him, he will come back again when good AI Detectors have developed in the forum, then he will ask the AI Detectors to visit his posting history and analyze them. And I think this the simple interpretation of borovichok comment there.

Well you are doing a good job in the forum. One merit for you. Continue doing it but interprete it for general understanding.
I'm sorry, but I'll have to agree with nutildah on this one. Borovichok is practically still denying the findings from the AI detectors, and claiming that he'll return to this thread to prove us all wrong. Still playing the victim mentality that he has fallen a victim of inaccurate findings from AI detectors. Even on the previous reports, he was still blaming something else, that his English was too perfect or that grammar correctors made his posts susceptible to the AI scanners.

It's astonishing that he's still playing the victim here, when he already had two chances to stop using AI. That's some audacity in there.
hero member
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March 30, 2024, 05:42:43 AM
#55
I read it and it is clearly stated that your respond didn't correspond with borovichok and even with LoyceV comment. You just want to interpret it to your own way and trying to justify the comment. What borovichok said is very clear and any interpretation can be used for future reference. This is the jury in the forum and our comments must be clear for everyone understanding and not a personal Glossary Of Legal Terms. Well the guy in question has already gave up his account but according to him, he will come back again when good AI Detectors have developed in the forum, then he will ask the AI Detectors to visit his posting history and analyze them. And I think this the simple interpretation of borovichok comment there.

Enough of the AI detectors are already good enough right now, which is why dozens of his posts have been deleted as "AI spam."

So he disagrees with their findings because he thinks they are inferior detector services. Meanwhile when used in concert (to provide a consensus), all they are doing is pointing out the reality that he is using ChatGPT to generate his posts for him, which he continues to deny! So what he's really doing is waiting for an AI text generator that won't get caught by the detectors we use on this forum.

Its quite simple to understand really. And yes as part of "the jury in this forum" you are allowed to have your own opinion that disagrees with my assessment.
I am not saying that your assessment was wrong and I am not even saying that your findings were wrong. You are even misinterpreting my statements. My focused was on the interpretation you made on borovichok comment in this thread. My being a Legendary Member has nothing to do with this. If you are saddened because of my Legendary Member because I said your interpretation is contradicting borovichok's comment. And I only said when you are interpreting a case, don't beat around the bush. Interprete it as it is. Can you also tell us why you are saddened for me being a Legendary in the forum? I think this is part of the forum to make CHECK and BALANCE. If there is nothing like this then the forum would be all is right and there is no wrong. Nobody is perfect and we adjust ourselves from other comments. Again my focused is on your comment for the guy comment and not in any detector assessment.
legendary
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March 30, 2024, 04:54:53 AM
#54
I read it and it is clearly stated that your respond didn't correspond with borovichok and even with LoyceV comment. You just want to interpret it to your own way and trying to justify the comment. What borovichok said is very clear and any interpretation can be used for future reference. This is the jury in the forum and our comments must be clear for everyone understanding and not a personal Glossary Of Legal Terms. Well the guy in question has already gave up his account but according to him, he will come back again when good AI Detectors have developed in the forum, then he will ask the AI Detectors to visit his posting history and analyze them. And I think this the simple interpretation of borovichok comment there.

It somewhat saddens me that accounts like yours will one day be Legendary.

Enough of the AI detectors are already good enough right now, which is why dozens of his posts have been deleted as "AI spam."

So he disagrees with their findings because he thinks they are inferior detector services. Meanwhile when used in concert (to provide a consensus), all they are doing is pointing out the reality that he is using ChatGPT to generate his posts for him, which he continues to deny! So what he's really doing is waiting for an AI text generator that won't get caught by the detectors we use on this forum.

Its quite simple to understand really. And yes as part of "the jury in this forum" you are allowed to have your own opinion that disagrees with my assessment.
hero member
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March 30, 2024, 04:19:34 AM
#53
Clearly you didn't read my most recent post which addresses this issue which has already been brought up by LoyceV... He's saying he fully intends to continue posting AI but not until AI is good enough to not be detected by the detectors, because according to him, every positive reading on all of his clearly AI-written posts are false.
I read it and it is clearly stated that your respond didn't correspond with borovichok and even with LoyceV comment. You just want to interpret it to your own way and trying to justify the comment. What borovichok said is very clear and any interpretation can be used for future reference. This is the jury in the forum and our comments must be clear for everyone understanding and not a personal Glossary Of Legal Terms. Well the guy in question has already gave up his account but according to him, he will come back again when good AI Detectors have developed in the forum, then he will ask the AI Detectors to visit his posting history and analyze them. And I think this the simple interpretation of borovichok comment there.

Well you are doing a good job in the forum. One merit for you. Continue doing it but interprete it for general understanding.
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March 30, 2024, 01:08:52 AM
#52
The same user teleported to altcoinstalks, and after this thread I don't think he'll be given any chance to be in a signature campaign in that forum. However, if he gets a chance then he should totally give up on using AI text generators and or fixing his own written text with those AI generators.

The AI generated text can only increase spamming and nothing else, anyone who understands that will never take any help from those AI tools. It's 100x better to work on your own grammar, punctuation, vocabulary, and writing style than relying on AI tools like ChatGpt.

Using those tools to make posts is not fooling others but fooling ones own self, and someone who knows that will never ever rely on such tools. I hope that he may learn a good lesson from this thread and may stop using AI tools to make posts on that forum because if he continues doing the same thing on that forum then I fear that he may get so many negative karma on that forum.
legendary
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March 29, 2024, 11:10:00 PM
#51
Amazing... the guy basically said he'll come back to the forum when an undetectable AI tool has been developed, lol. The sheer audacity to deny posting dozens of straight-up ChatGPT texts and then declare themselves a "victim." Bravo. Stunning, yet also brave.
I think that sentence is very simple to understand and there was no need to misinterpret the guy. He said, "he will come to this thread again, when a Good and Unbiased AI Detectors are developed or come to the forum then he would come back to this thread" and not "undetectable" as you put it. If you didn't understand then you would have passedby



Clearly you didn't read my most recent post which addresses this issue which has already been brought up by LoyceV... He's saying he fully intends to continue posting AI but not until AI is good enough to not be detected by the detectors, because according to him, every positive reading on all of his clearly AI-written posts are false.
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March 29, 2024, 08:21:47 PM
#50
Considering how easily he gave up that account, I have no doubt that it is very likely that it is just one in a series of alt accounts that he uses. Until the merit system was introduced, it only took time to move from rank to rank, and we are talking about 9 years of creating alt farms that are still active today.
I am fairly certain he purchased the account and staked the address here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57852636

If he were to repeat the same process over and over then it would mean he would have enough accounts in his farm to easily accept it if some of his accounts were rendered useless after receiving tags. I agree with you, it is probably just one of many accounts operated by this spammer and liar.

In addition, it was only around 2015 (if I'm not mistaken) that trading with BTT accounts became undesirable, and before that it was a completely normal activity.
I do not know first hand about the situation about the normalised (open and accepted) account selling/trading but over the years I have read posts from a number of members that have confirmed it to be the case. At some stage probably because of signature spamming or using purchased accounts for nefarious activities such as asking for loans or spamming, account trading was no longer accepted as a normal conduct.

I think AI could be heading in the same direction. Reading AI posts regardless of the reason it was used could in future be completely rejected by forum members if spamming continues without any real deterrent to reign offenders.
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March 29, 2024, 07:10:06 AM
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~snip~
Still, he managed to survive on that particular account for a couple of years after buying it, now he can concentrate on the other accounts in his farm.


Considering how easily he gave up that account, I have no doubt that it is very likely that it is just one in a series of alt accounts that he uses. Until the merit system was introduced, it only took time to move from rank to rank, and we are talking about 9 years of creating alt farms that are still active today.

In addition, it was only around 2015 (if I'm not mistaken) that trading with BTT accounts became undesirable, and before that it was a completely normal activity.
hero member
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March 29, 2024, 07:00:19 AM
#48
I will remove signature and Avatar once my resignation message is approved. I've left all my post unedited, when a good AI generated detector is finally developed, I will come back to this thread. Until then Good bye everyone, it was a nice ride.

My last advice: Do not trust any AI detector tools yet. I should be the last victim.



Edit:
Resignation approved! I've asked the admin to deactivate the account. Cheers

Amazing... the guy basically said he'll come back to the forum when an undetectable AI tool has been developed, lol. The sheer audacity to deny posting dozens of straight-up ChatGPT texts and then declare themselves a "victim." Bravo. Stunning, yet also brave.
I think that sentence is very simple to understand and there was no need to misinterpret the guy. He said, "he will come to this thread again, when a Good and Unbiased AI Detectors are developed or come to the forum then he would come back to this thread" and not "undetectable" as you put it. If you didn't understand then you would have passedby. Second chance have been given to different defaulters to repent from their sins by the admin and other staff, because people developed community and not the community developed itself. Admin has never been happy for a lost of a soul here. And he wants everyone to do well with their contributions and not using AI and plagiarism.

And to borovichok, you said you will come back again when a good AI Detector (s) has come or developed in the forum and my question is how will you know when you have deactivated your account? That means you have an alt in the forum and you are using that to monitor the activities of the forum. And another question rises again if you have another account why then the second account is not using the AI?

LoyceV gave the correct interpretation of the guy comment.
I've left all my post unedited, when a good AI generated detector is finally developed, I will come back to this thread.
Amazing... the guy basically said he'll come back to the forum when an undetectable AI tool has been developed, lol.
Actually, he said the opposite. He's saying the current AI detectors are inaccurate. That's kinda true, but in his case I don't believe that.
hero member
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March 29, 2024, 02:18:22 AM
#47
If I had to guess, I would state with a strong belief that he is enrolled on other campaigns and he has several accounts here. Over time, hopefully those accounts will be connected to him.
Certainly, it became quite clear when you called him out in 2022 for replying to himself, probably because he forgot to switch accounts. Eventually, he'll make a mistake again and we'll catch him, although I'm expecting him to be more cautious after this report. I'm always on the lookout for anything suspicious, such as AI usage, if he has more accounts, we'll eventually find those as well.

Edit: Another suspected user reported in the main AI report thread.
legendary
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March 28, 2024, 09:01:35 PM
#46
I've left all my post unedited, when a good AI generated detector is finally developed, I will come back to this thread.
Amazing... the guy basically said he'll come back to the forum when an undetectable AI tool has been developed, lol.
Actually, he said the opposite. He's saying the current AI detectors are inaccurate. That's kinda true, but in his case I don't believe that.

Reading between the lines, he's saying he wants an AI machine that isn't detectable by the detectors... that's how you know an AI detector works (according to him): when it doesn't detect super-sophisticated AI text.

Anyway, he stopped short of being banned & voluntarily removed himself from his campaign; I suppose that is at least a somewhat honorable thing to do.
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March 28, 2024, 06:58:50 PM
#45
I remember seeing the neutral feedback on his account and was generally suspecting of him for quite a while. Judging by what I saw, it's very likely that there was no participation in any so-called fundraiser, and it was a mere attempt to gain merit, therefore a higher rank, resulting in higher earnings from signature campaign spamming. I've been watching him for quite a while.
That fundraiser thread by borovichok was one of the lowest of the low barrel scraping things anybody could do just to get merits. He is a compulsive liar. I stopped following him after I reluctantly conceded the consensus seemed to sided to not negatively tag members for spamming or using suspected AI.

Thankfully you created this thread and it brought a new attention to the tactics employed by borovichok.

The most important thing now is that the borovichok account now has been rendered useless. If if he was to return here using that account, it would not bring him any benefit in joining campaigns therefore he will focus his attention on his other accounts.

I'm also a believer of the idea that he has other accounts as well, or that multiple people use multiple accounts at the same time. There was an irregularity in his posts, differences in grammar, punctuation and generally way of writing. The negative feedback and the attention this thread resulted him in quitting and teleporting to the rival forum, even though he hasn't posted anything there yet. I honestly didn't believe he'd actually quit, with that being said, I don't doubt he's still on the forum, just with another account, and possibly participating in a campaign.
If I had to guess, I would state with a strong belief that he is enrolled on other campaigns and he has several accounts here. Over time, hopefully those accounts will be connected to him.
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March 28, 2024, 04:26:28 PM
#44
Sadly there is no hard evidence as such to prove his participation in the fundraiser was fabricated. It is somewhat unfortunate that Bitcoin Discussion does not show trust otherwise maybe the outcome could have been different.

It means I was probably right when I thought it was probable that the account was sold along with a message from the previous used address before being staked with the new address. That is usually part of account sale process now.

Still, he managed to survive on that particular account for a couple of years after buying it, now he can concentrate on the other accounts in his farm.
I remember seeing the neutral feedback on his account and was generally suspecting of him for quite a while. Judging by what I saw, it's very likely that there was no participation in any so-called fundraiser, and it was a mere attempt to gain merit, therefore a higher rank, resulting in higher earnings from signature campaign spamming. I've been watching him for quite a while.

I'm also a believer of the idea that he has other accounts as well, or that multiple people use multiple accounts at the same time. There was an irregularity in his posts, differences in grammar, punctuation and generally way of writing. The negative feedback and the attention this thread resulted him in quitting and teleporting to the rival forum, even though he hasn't posted anything there yet. I honestly didn't believe he'd actually quit, with that being said, I don't doubt he's still on the forum, just with another account, and possibly participating in a campaign.
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March 28, 2024, 04:04:46 PM
#43
Sadly there is no hard evidence as such to prove his participation in the fundraiser was fabricated. It is somewhat unfortunate that Bitcoin Discussion does not show trust otherwise maybe the outcome could have been different.

It means I was probably right when I thought it was probable that the account was sold along with a message from the previous used address before being staked with the new address. That is usually part of account sale process now.

Still, he managed to survive on that particular account for a couple of years after buying it, now he can concentrate on the other accounts in his farm.


@JollyGood, I added 1 merit to that post, and I admit that I didn't check the post history before that because I didn't think there was any need for it. Unfortunately, trust is not visible in the Bitcoin discussion, otherwise it seems to me that the number of merits would be significantly lower for a specific post.

Is there any hard evidence that the whole story surrounding his participation in the race was fabricated? Someone who knows exactly when the race was held and who would check if he was writing on the forum at that time would have proof that he was not there.
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March 28, 2024, 11:24:24 AM
#42
@JollyGood, I added 1 merit to that post, and I admit that I didn't check the post history before that because I didn't think there was any need for it. Unfortunately, trust is not visible in the Bitcoin discussion, otherwise it seems to me that the number of merits would be significantly lower for a specific post.

Is there any hard evidence that the whole story surrounding his participation in the race was fabricated? Someone who knows exactly when the race was held and who would check if he was writing on the forum at that time would have proof that he was not there.
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March 28, 2024, 07:48:32 AM
#41
Well, the "borovichok" account is another one that was called out by me a very long time ago. I left the first neutral tag on his account in February 2022 therefore it took just over two years for his account to unravel but it still remains unknown what his connections are to the "Jasad" "CryptocurencyKing" accounts. It also remains unknown exactly how many accounts are in the farm operated by this super-spammer and compulsive liar.

He probably thought if being a compulsive liar would bring him merits and with it a higher rank, he will do it. I can only imagine how much of a boost those 95 merits given to him a year ago when he fabricated the whole story about participating in charity events for Hal Finney: Hal Finney RUNNING BITCOIN- What was Bitcointalk contribution? $65k raised!. I also wonder how many members noticed his previous posting history as well as the neutral tag before giving him those merits as he chased the 500 merit mark.
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