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Quote from: nutildah on August 08, 2014, 02:50:34 PM

Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:45:35 PM

Please point me to where I equated fluoride to mind control. Now you are flat out making things up, so I won't be able to take anything else you say seriously.

My point is, you keep shifting the argument in order to find a point that is still make-able. The point before yours was that America is brainwashing its citizens with fluoride. Then you modified it in order to continue the argument.

Not at all. And again, I never mentioned "brainwashing." The FACT that fluoride is a neurotoxin is still a valid argument. I'm simply stating that there are other reasons in addition to that which do not make sense as to why it is added to drinking water.

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Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:45:35 PM

Please point me to where I equated fluoride to mind control. Now you are flat out making things up, so I won't be able to take anything else you say seriously.

My point is, you keep shifting the argument in order to find a point that is still make-able. The point before yours was that America is brainwashing its citizens with fluoride. Then you modified it in order to continue the argument.

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Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 02:46:16 PM

Educate yourself, I've wasted enough time on this issue. I've looked into this topic and have researched the matter myself for years. All you care about is calling people names and spreading lies, I'll leave you to it.

Right back at you buddy. Thanks for playing.

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Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:19:14 PM

Harvard University, ever heard of it? They say otherwise about the safety of fluoride in water, they are not the only ones to prove it lowers iq and is dangerous for developing brains.

Close enough jcoin.

Most conspiracy theorists say low IQ = Fluoridation = Mind control. So I'm using that definition.

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do what you want. I don't drink fluoridated water. I also use a shower filter.

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Why do you insist on wasting both our times perpetuating nonsense? Just because you're offended I said Alex Jones is wrong?

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

It is waste from the agricultural industry

wrong.

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

and they would normally have to pay to dump it somewhere.

They do dump it somewhere. There are companies who are paid to dispose of it.

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

Instead politicians make deals so people pay to put in their water, fact.

Not a fact. If its a fact, prove it.

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

I've seen footage of it eating away at the pipes and your saying it's nothing to worry about.

You're not much of a critical thinker or believer in demonstration of evidence are you?

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

Major college and others have stated it lowers IQ and shouldn't be in the water...

Please, again, produce one such study that indicates you might not be full of shit. I challenge you.

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

Nothing you've posted on the topic changes the truth

The one thing you've said that is correct.

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

so either educate yourself or simply stop spreading fud.

I'M SPREADING FUD? Do you have THE SLIGHTEST IDEA how RETARDED that sounds?

I grew up drinking fluoridated water every damn day and I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'm not smarter than every single brainwashee who is here circuitously defending Alex Jones' fat, stupid honor by arguing with me over the merits of water fluoridation.. You're doing a pisspoor job of it and if you think you don't need to provide evidence for your wild, unsubstantiated claims then you are mistaken.

TLDR.... I'm done with you. Your right I'm making it all up because I have so much to gain..
Only person who is mad is you. Because I support an issue Alex Jones talks about you interpret is as anger, that's your issue. As for finding info for you, nope. Educate yourself, I've wasted enough time on this issue. I've read the report sent to me form my local water company so I know what is in my water and the amounts. I've looked into this topic and have researched the matter myself for years. All you care about is calling people names and spreading lies, I'll leave you to it.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 08, 2014, 02:40:41 PM

Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:30:30 PM

The issue is that flouride in drinking water serves basically no purpose whatsoever:

Well thats funny because 2 minutes ago the issue was the American government is mind-controlling its citizens with fluoride.

Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:30:30 PM

"There is now a better understanding of how fluoride prevents dental decay. What little benefit fluoridated water may still provide is derived primarily through topical means...

You proceed to quote an opinion piece written by 1 man 14 years ago.

Meanwhile, the American Dental Association says this, today:

“The Association endorses community water fluoridation as a safe, beneficial and cost-
effective public health measure for preventing dental caries (cavities). This support has been the Association’s policy since 1950.”

Here's some more recent research findings for you:

New Zealand study finds no correlation between fluoridated water and lower IQs, May 27, 2014:
http://www.ada.org/en/publications/ada-news/2014-archive/may/new-zealand-study-finds-no-correlation-between-fluoridated-water-and-lower-iqs

Letter in support of fluoridation from 3 Harvard deans:
http://www.ada.org/~/media/ADA/Public%20Programs/Files/harvard-deans-on-fluoridation.ashx

Someone's going to say those were paid studies, I'm calling it right now.

And thanks for providing these! At least we aren't being held down info-wise.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 08, 2014, 02:40:41 PM

Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:30:30 PM

The issue is that flouride in drinking water serves basically no purpose whatsoever:

Well thats funny because 2 minutes ago the issue was the American government is mind-controlling its citizens with fluoride.

Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:30:30 PM

"There is now a better understanding of how fluoride prevents dental decay. What little benefit fluoridated water may still provide is derived primarily through topical means...

You proceed to quote an opinion piece written by 1 man 14 years ago.

Meanwhile, the American Dental Association says this, today:

“The Association endorses community water fluoridation as a safe, beneficial and cost-
effective public health measure for preventing dental caries (cavities). This support has been the Association’s policy since 1950.”

Here's some more recent research findings for you:

New Zealand study finds no correlation between fluoridated water and lower IQs, May 27, 2014:
http://www.ada.org/en/publications/ada-news/2014-archive/may/new-zealand-study-finds-no-correlation-between-fluoridated-water-and-lower-iqs

Letter in support of fluoridation from 3 Harvard deans:
http://www.ada.org/~/media/ADA/Public%20Programs/Files/harvard-deans-on-fluoridation.ashx

Please point me to where I equated fluoride to mind control. Now you are flat out making things up, so I won't be able to take anything else you say seriously.

Secondly, water fluoridation began in the 1940's when dentists thought ingestion would benefit dental health. BTW that guy is definitely not the only one to show fluoride applied topically is what brings about benefits, not ingestion.

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Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:30:30 PM

The issue is that flouride in drinking water serves basically no purpose whatsoever:

Well thats funny because 2 minutes ago the issue was the American government is mind-controlling its citizens with fluoride.

Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:30:30 PM

"There is now a better understanding of how fluoride prevents dental decay. What little benefit fluoridated water may still provide is derived primarily through topical means...

You proceed to quote an opinion piece written by 1 man 14 years ago.

Meanwhile, the American Dental Association says this, today:

“The Association endorses community water fluoridation as a safe, beneficial and cost-
effective public health measure for preventing dental caries (cavities). This support has been the Association’s policy since 1950.”

Here's some more recent research findings for you:

New Zealand study finds no correlation between fluoridated water and lower IQs, May 27, 2014:
http://www.ada.org/en/publications/ada-news/2014-archive/may/new-zealand-study-finds-no-correlation-between-fluoridated-water-and-lower-iqs

Letter in support of fluoridation from 3 Harvard deans:
http://www.ada.org/~/media/ADA/Public%20Programs/Files/harvard-deans-on-fluoridation.ashx

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Quote from: nutildah on August 08, 2014, 02:24:27 PM

Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:19:14 PM

Also, one of the more interesting points from the article is this statement: "Virtually no human studies in this field have been conducted in the U.S."

Why would I ignore it when it proves my point? You're basing your conclusions off of China studies where the levels of fluoride they consider to be "high concentrations" are 3-60x the MAXIMUM amount ever used to fluoridate drinking water in the U.S. Ergo, application of such results to the U.S. tap water situation is ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst.

The issue is that flouride in drinking water serves basically no purpose whatsoever:

"There is now a better understanding of how fluoride prevents dental decay. What little benefit fluoridated water may still provide is derived primarily through topical means (after the teeth erupt and come in contact with fluorides in the oral cavity). Fluoride does not need to be swallowed to be effective. It is not an essential nutrient. Nor should it be considered a desirable “supplement” for children living in non-fluoridated areas. Fluoride ingestion delays tooth eruption and this may account for some of the differences seen in the past between fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas (i.e. dental decay is simply postponed). No fluoridation study has ever separated out the systemic effects of fluoride. Even if there were a systemic benefit from ingestion of fluoride, it would be miniscule and clinically irrelevant. The notion that systemic fluorides are needed in non-fluoridated areas is an outdated one that should be abandoned altogether."
-Dr. Hardy Limeback BSc PhD (Biochemistry) DDS
Head, Preventive Dentistry, University of Toronto

Decline in tooth decay has not been affected by ingesting fluoride. Being in toothpaste may help, but there are other factors that have helped. Whether or not you think its harmful to your health is one thing, but there is no reason to be ingesting it AT ALL.

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Quote from: jcoin200 on August 08, 2014, 02:19:14 PM

Also, one of the more interesting points from the article is this statement: "Virtually no human studies in this field have been conducted in the U.S."

Why would I ignore it when it proves my point? You're basing your conclusions off of China studies where the levels of fluoride they consider to be "high concentrations" are 3-60x the MAXIMUM amount ever used to fluoridate drinking water in the U.S. Ergo, application of such results to the U.S. tap water situation is ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst.

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Why do you insist on wasting both our times perpetuating nonsense? Just because you're offended I said Alex Jones is wrong?

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

It is waste from the agricultural industry

wrong.

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

and they would normally have to pay to dump it somewhere.

They do dump it somewhere. There are companies who are paid to dispose of it.

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

Instead politicians make deals so people pay to put in their water, fact.

Not a fact. If its a fact, prove it.

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

I've seen footage of it eating away at the pipes and your saying it's nothing to worry about.

You're not much of a critical thinker or believer in demonstration of evidence are you?

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

Major college and others have stated it lowers IQ and shouldn't be in the water...

Please, again, produce one such study that indicates you might not be full of shit. I challenge you.

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

Nothing you've posted on the topic changes the truth

The one thing you've said that is correct.

Quote from: counter on August 08, 2014, 01:27:43 PM

so either educate yourself or simply stop spreading fud.

I'M SPREADING FUD? Do you have THE SLIGHTEST IDEA how RETARDED that sounds?

I grew up drinking fluoridated water every damn day and I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'm not smarter than every single brainwashee who is here circuitously defending Alex Jones' fat, stupid honor by arguing with me over the merits of water fluoridation.. You're doing a pisspoor job of it and if you think you don't need to provide evidence for your wild, unsubstantiated claims then you are mistaken.

I agree with this.

Just because I'm not sitting there worshiping the high and mighty Alex Jones the Fifth, doesn't mean I'm an idiot. My parents drank fluoridated water, I did, and I remain as one of the most praised members among my colleagues. I don't even ask for the praise, they just give it to me... It's strange.

That was some years ago, however. Canada doesn't fluoridate their water past 50%, so I'm ok. My city doesn't do fluoridation.

You guys can go argue, but all I know is that I remain unaffected. Have fun!

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on August 08, 2014, 02:15:24 PM

Fluoridated water is one of the most obvious scams ever.

https://www.google.com/#q=fluoride+toxicity+studies

From the Harvard study I suppose you are trying to reference:

"The researchers conducted a systematic review of studies, almost all of which are from China where risks from fluoride are well-established."

"Fluoride is a naturally occurring substance in groundwater, and exposures to the chemical are increased in some parts of China. Virtually no human studies in this field have been conducted in the U.S."

"They then analyzed possible associations with IQ measures in more than 8,000 children of school age; all but one study suggested that high fluoride content in water may negatively affect cognitive development."

OK I accept this point. Key words: HIGH FLUORIDE CONTENT. AKA: HIGHER THAN ANY CONTENT USED IN U.S. TAP WATER DISTRIBUTION.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

I grew up drinking fluoridated water every damn day and I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'm not smarter than every single brainwashee who is here circuitously defending Alex Jones' fat, stupid honor by arguing with me over the merits of water fluoridation.. You're doing a pisspoor job of it and if you think you don't need to provide evidence for your wild, unsubstantiated claims then you are mistaken.

Harvard University, ever heard of it? They say otherwise about the safety of fluoride in water, they are not the only ones to prove it lowers iq and is dangerous for developing brains.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/

Also, one of the more interesting points from the article is this statement: "Virtually no human studies in this field have been conducted in the U.S."

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Fluoridated water is one of the most obvious scams ever.

https://www.google.com/#q=fluoride+toxicity+studies

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Quote from: nutildah on August 07, 2014, 05:04:33 PM

Quote from: counter on August 07, 2014, 04:52:56 PM

When people are concerned with their health and that of their loved ones it restores values in our society that clearly are not what they once were.

Does being concerned for your dental health matter? Does caring about scientific measurements, concentrations, standards and realities matter?

Quote from: counter on August 07, 2014, 04:52:56 PM

I'm not sure why people being force fed toxic waste isn't something that merits attention to you but hey that is just me.

Fluoride is not toxic waste. Its a single atom missing an electron. You're overexaggerating in order to make a point which does not exist.

It is waste from the agricultural industry and they would normally have to pay to dump it somewhere. Instead politicians make deals so people pay to put in their water, fact. I've seen footage of it eating away at the pipes and your saying it's nothing to worry about. Major college and others have stated it lowers IQ and shouldn't be in the water... Nothing you've posted on the topic changes the truth so either educate yourself or simply stop spreading fud.

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Quote from: rackcityb1 on August 07, 2014, 07:57:24 PM

This guy seems to be kinda, well crazy.....

Um...yeah. For whatever reason he really puts me off too. He draws listeners and accepts/endorses bitcoin so I'm good with this news. I appreciate that he's not on the fence, but he is just a little too far away from the fence for me.

I have a genuine distaste for goldbugs even though I like bitcoin for some of the same reasons. AJ turns me off.

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As for online merchant, bitcoin is quicker and low fee, the only problem is less people use it now, finally it will became the best way or at least one way like credit card works

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Quote from: Yakamoto on August 07, 2014, 07:02:05 PM

Quote from: lonestranger on August 07, 2014, 06:59:15 PM

I think Alex Jones' role is to gather up the ignorant, patriot prepper community and soften them up for his survival products. Dude's making a mint.

This is good for bitcoin, however, not a huge thing but good because his audience is huge. So if just some of them buy some bitcoin that is very, very good.

This is exactly what I was thinking. They start buying BTC to hide their purchases from the illuminati or nwo or whatever it is now, so the price would go up.

I have a feeling his audience will start lapping it up pretty quickly, and we might see a rally to $600 or higher.

there's a reason why there are quite a few of his supporters on this forum Cheesy

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This guy seems to be kinda, well crazy.....

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