All about "stuck" transactions and what you can do to fix them - page 5.

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Quote from: achow101 on April 05, 2017, 06:35:00 PM

Quote from: bobohuy on April 05, 2017, 05:24:54 PM

I got stuck transaction for 12 hours, and it's been unconfirmed and is in memory pool. I tried the RBF option using core 0.14 and windows 10.
I already done the 'abandon transaction' step and resend with higher fee, now waiting for it to be completed.

However I realise the abandoned transaction is not come back to my balance, now I get deduct twice the amount I intended to send. is it a known issue ?

Like the previous transaction is 1 BTC, now I resend another 1 BTC, now my balance is deducted by 2 BTC ....
Do I need to wait ? Huh

When you sent again, it is possible that you did not spend the same inputs spent in the abandoned transaction. If the abandoned transaction has confirmed, then you would have made the payment twice.

what do you mean by "same input" ? like I sent 1 BTC before, now I send 1 BTC is same ? or does it need to be correct to the fee spend ? but the fee need to be higher to be processed faster ?

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Quote from: bobohuy on April 05, 2017, 05:24:54 PM

I got stuck transaction for 12 hours, and it's been unconfirmed and is in memory pool. I tried the RBF option using core 0.14 and windows 10.
I already done the 'abandon transaction' step and resend with higher fee, now waiting for it to be completed.

However I realise the abandoned transaction is not come back to my balance, now I get deduct twice the amount I intended to send. is it a known issue ?

Like the previous transaction is 1 BTC, now I resend another 1 BTC, now my balance is deducted by 2 BTC ....
Do I need to wait ? Huh

When you sent again, it is possible that you did not spend the same inputs spent in the abandoned transaction. If the abandoned transaction has confirmed, then you would have made the payment twice.

bobohuy

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I got stuck transaction for 12 hours, and it's been unconfirmed and is in memory pool. I tried the RBF option using core 0.14 and windows 10.
I already done the 'abandon transaction' step and resend with higher fee, now waiting for it to be completed.

However I realise the abandoned transaction is not come back to my balance, now I get deduct twice the amount I intended to send. is it a known issue ?

Like the previous transaction is 1 BTC, now I resend another 1 BTC, now my balance is deducted by 2 BTC ....
Do I need to wait ? Huh

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Quote from: Jenny Moll on March 14, 2017, 05:12:24 AM

The problem is, most noobs use web wallets because they are too lazy to download Core, or any of the wallets that will give you proper options like -zapwallettxes, RPF or whatever.
Not too lazy, but take up too much memory。If the memory footprint is small, I will choose CORE wallet.It's really big.Is this the cause of the obstruction?

Newbies by definition are new and most introductory guides you can find out there are outdated or have not kept abreast with this issue of extended confirmation times - an issue even most wallets do not alert users about when signing up. Rather than laziness, it's simply a matter of being inadequate information.

And, as you say, even with the information available, the added resources needed for Core and the like are cons that would put off even users like me.

That been said, I've now switched even to storing the coins I move frequently in the in-house wallets of some sites, which charge a flat fee regardless of output. I've found these to confirm very quickly, as my txs are performed as part of a large batch with generous fees.

As usual, very helpful post from OP. I hope more free services like viabtc come about. I've used it myself after >3 days unconfirmed and it pushes through in hours.

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The problem is, most noobs use web wallets because they are too lazy to download Core, or any of the wallets that will give you proper options like -zapwallettxes, RPF or whatever.
Not too lazy, but take up too much memory。If the memory footprint is small, I will choose CORE wallet.It's really big.Is this the cause of the obstruction?

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Quote from: manselr on March 06, 2017, 01:23:59 PM

The problem is, most noobs use web wallets because they are too lazy to download Core, or any of the wallets that will give you proper options like -zapwallettxes, RPF or whatever. The "asking for miners" resort is pretty lame and not very user friendly... it's a problem. Web wallets should be forced to give more options in case this happens.

Still, if people are genuinely aiming for Bitcoin to be more convenient for less techy new users like me, wallets should be able to handle these issues themselves. Of course you should be able to change these options and make your own choices but I don't think there's anything wrong with experimenting by using a more simplified wallet.

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The problem is, most noobs use web wallets because they are too lazy to download Core, or any of the wallets that will give you proper options like -zapwallettxes, RPF or whatever. The "asking for miners" resort is pretty lame and not very user friendly... it's a problem. Web wallets should be forced to give more options in case this happens.

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great read!
I think you could add https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/
to your "What can I do to make my stuck transaction confirm? " paragraph
the tool is not extremely helpful as it only allows you to accelerate up to 100 transactions per hour and all the slots are usually filled up
after 5-10 minutes from the hour start,but it does help to confirm your tx when everything else fails
as it includes your transaction into a block directly

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Quote from: erikalui on March 04, 2017, 08:16:06 AM

@OP: I couldn't find much information about CPFP method. Is it the same as double spending? I need to get my transaction confirmed and hence am asking.

CPFP is not the same as double spending or RBF. It requires that you spend from an unconfirmed transaction, something that most wallets don't allow, so I don't have instructions for how to do it. If you know how to work with raw transactions, then CPFP can be done.

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there is article here to share with you http://coinour.com/index.php/how-to-do-with-stuck-bitcoin-transaction/

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Quote from: Frosxh on March 03, 2017, 09:12:41 AM

i just found this service but still not sure if this works https://pushtx.btc.com/

but since btc.com seems to be trusted, this might be helpful to some people, tho they charge kinda high fee

They are charging $ 6.88 / KB which is not worth. I entered my transaction Id and got an option to pay almost double the amount as the transaction size was 1518 Bytes. Viabtc works for free and transactions get confirmed for sure.

@OP: I couldn't find much information about CPFP method. Is it the same as double spending? I need to get my transaction confirmed and hence am asking.

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i just found this service but still not sure if this works https://pushtx.btc.com/

but since btc.com seems to be trusted, this might be helpful to some people, tho they charge kinda high fee

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Quote from: ThomasV on March 01, 2017, 03:33:35 AM

what the OP of this thread calls "RBF" is actually a double spend attempt.
it is misleading and dishonest to call it RBF.

RBF is, by definition, a double spend attempt, regardless of Opt-in or not. You are creating a transaction which spends inputs already spent by an unconfirmed transaction.

This method is Full RBF, not Opt-in or First-Seen-Safe RBF. It is still RBF and is as Peter Todd originally proposed RBF.

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quick question guys i sent some bitcoins to an address the coin was never confirmed after 2 days they put the money back on my wallet,then about an hour later the money was gone again,i checked my wallet again now its at another address that i didn't even send them to,and that transaction has more than 600 conformations,and it also says unspent to that address.....so how do i retrieve my bitcoins

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Quote from: achow101 on February 28, 2017, 03:29:26 PM

Quote from: shorena on February 28, 2017, 03:26:41 PM

I personally think the opt-in RBF option by electrum is an improvement over this as you can replace a transaction you have created a few minutes ago, while your way would suffer from nodes blocking propagation.

Opt-in RBF is indeed a great feature. Unfortunately it is not used by most people so it is not really applicable here as most transactions will not enable RBF.

what the OP of this thread calls "RBF" is actually a double spend attempt.
it is misleading and dishonest to call it RBF.

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Quote from: achow101 on February 28, 2017, 03:29:26 PM

Quote from: shorena on February 28, 2017, 03:26:41 PM

If you restore from seed unconfirmed transactions are removed IIRC. Thus you can restore from on a temp wallet, create a double spend and continue.

I asked someone to try this and it did not work for them.

Alright, Ill need to get this out of my head then. Thanks

Quote from: achow101 on February 28, 2017, 03:29:26 PM

Quote from: shorena on February 28, 2017, 03:26:41 PM

I personally think the opt-in RBF option by electrum is an improvement over this as you can replace a transaction you have created a few minutes ago, while your way would suffer from nodes blocking propagation.

Opt-in RBF is indeed a great feature. Unfortunately it is not used by most people so it is not really applicable here as most transactions will not enable RBF.

Yeah, Im working on a similar thread to this for the german section and I put it in the "preparations" section because of this.

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Quote from: shorena on February 28, 2017, 03:26:41 PM

If you restore from seed unconfirmed transactions are removed IIRC. Thus you can restore from on a temp wallet, create a double spend and continue.

I asked someone to try this and it did not work for them.

Quote from: shorena on February 28, 2017, 03:26:41 PM

I personally think the opt-in RBF option by electrum is an improvement over this as you can replace a transaction you have created a few minutes ago, while your way would suffer from nodes blocking propagation.

Opt-in RBF is indeed a great feature. Unfortunately it is not used by most people so it is not really applicable here as most transactions will not enable RBF.

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Quote from: achow101 on February 27, 2017, 08:58:23 AM

Quote from: ThomasV on February 27, 2017, 08:30:40 AM

Quote from: achow101 on February 23, 2017, 03:50:24 PM

Wallets that do not allow you to or ones that I don't know how to make RBF transactions

Electrum

Thank you very much for misleading unsuspecting users. Are you doing this on purpose?

No. It seems that I forgot to hit send for my reply to you in PM. What I am trying to do here is to explain how to do RBF spends without opting into RBF because very few people use Opt in RBF. All I could find on Electrum was how to do it with Opt in RBF, not any way to RBF without opting in. If you could provide instructions for how to do that, I would happily add it to the list.

If you restore from seed unconfirmed transactions are removed IIRC. Thus you can restore from on a temp wallet, create a double spend and continue. I personally think the opt-in RBF option by electrum is an improvement over this as you can replace a transaction you have created a few minutes ago, while your way would suffer from nodes blocking propagation.

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Quote from: ThomasV on February 27, 2017, 08:30:40 AM

Quote from: achow101 on February 23, 2017, 03:50:24 PM

Wallets that do not allow you to or ones that I don't know how to make RBF transactions

Electrum

Thank you very much for misleading unsuspecting users. Are you doing this on purpose?

No. It seems that I forgot to hit send for my reply to you in PM. What I am trying to do here is to explain how to do RBF spends without opting into RBF because very few people use Opt in RBF. All I could find on Electrum was how to do it with Opt in RBF, not any way to RBF without opting in. If you could provide instructions for how to do that, I would happily add it to the list.

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Quote from: achow101 on February 23, 2017, 03:50:24 PM

Wallets that do not allow you to or ones that I don't know how to make RBF transactions

Electrum

Thank you very much for misleading unsuspecting users. Are you doing this on purpose?

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