Topic: All-Dice.com (JD on steroids) (Read 5190 times)

He sent me this PM. Making this public for other people/lender he might contact: I strongly advice against dealing with this individual.

That's not the point. Currently, you're not getting any traffic, you're not getting any investors, and since you haven't put up a bankroll no one is playing. The few negative reps you got are not unreasonable. You just have to read what they are saying and you should get it.

It makes perfect sense to just abandon the current project, consider it the cost of tuition or a cost of doing business.

You could try to make it work, but I just think that's a waste of time for you.

Hey, I'm trying to help you... Everyone who sees your profile and trust rating (which is everyone on this forum) is simply not going to play or invest in your site.

Abandon the project and open a new account because one negative rep that was given to me unreasonably and a couple of people that are upset? Sure sounds a bit drama queen like.

Based on the links on my signature alone, there's more than 10 BTC in food donations over the past year, 30 BTC on my lotto game, hundreds in private escrow transactions, and there's a local exchange (local to me) running for a few months now. I only have one rating on OTC and a few on localbitcoins.

No offense taken that you wouldn't trust me with your bankroll; but what I've done for the past few years should give you an idea. You could always click on this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=54791 to find out for yourself.

I think you're better off just creating your own dice site then. You take less effort, and no one will get upset. But I'm not sure how you can get your neg rep removed. You'll either have to live with it and learn a lesson along the way, or you create a new forum account.

Fixed some of the links I found. Sorry for the inconvenience everyone!

I would consider using Dooglus for escrow, since he seems to think that I'm a scammer and we all know Dooglus has remained dedicated to the community through some rough times. What builds a reputation isn't getting investments but repaying investments and Dooglus seems to have done well to repay his, plus I have no idea about your good standing with the community and wouldn't trust you with our bankroll.

JD and PD were put on the list because their owners were acting in a suspicious manner, yes they were wrongfully accused and ultimately turned out not being scams, most other casinos didn't. I am not sure how the casinos that scammed "just happened" to be on my list, I didn't list every single casino so my scam detecting skills must work to some extent.

Just to clear things up a bit, I was in good standing with the community until I posted this topic and only Dooglus has decided to neg rep me.

Overall I copied the fronted since I don't want to let JD die off, I want to keep the legacy going on and the site operating uninterrupted as if nothing happened. It would probably take far less effort on my part to build my own dice site than to attempt to mimic JD in every function yet I chose #2.

Links to statistics, graphs, links to threads (it links to JD's thread's).

Check all links, in each tab. Then change the colors and the design. Add a card game on the side, like blackjack or poker or even have multi-player dice. Get someone else to escrow investments. (Me perhaps; or anyone in the two escrow lists you can find by searching the forum.)

The reason you are getting a bad rep is precisely because you have already copied the look of JD. Change it. Apologize, they might remove the neg rep.

Better yet, start from scratch, and redo each tab with lots of text. Don't just copy it.

Your thread about scam casinos has not been properly reviewed. I for one, never read it until I saw the link. It seems those casinos that did scam and close are simply coincidentally on your list instead of having any criteria for being on that list.

And of course, that you once mentioned JD and PD on that list, obviously, you have attracted their respective owners to put a negative rep on you.

If I ever put up my own casino, and you say something bad about it, with no basis, then I will do the same. Fortunately for you, I don't have the money or the developer skills to do it on my own.

You are probably legit, but made the mistake of copying someone else's work. Since you already have the back end, just make an entirely new front end. It does not have to be pretty, it just has to look different. It can be functional. For example, I prefer a simple, classic, retro, one font text look, like from some very old console operating system. But you still better put some gui into it.

1. I don't follow?
2. I gave to the community previously and opened a thread reporting scamming casinos, I have revealed many scamming casinos and probably saved the players a small fortune. When that post was written I was with neutral rep before dooglus decided to give me negative rep without any legitimate reason.

Someone else's threads and addresses? Please give me said links. It's true that some statistics don't work, I will render them once there is something to show.

It's true, but that sentence gave me trouble.

Probably just "better off" would have worked.

First point: Who will take out the investment? You?
Second point: Does not seem to be true. Registered only 1 year ago is not long enough, and negative red trust is not "in good standing with the community".

Also, most of the site links to dead links, and the ones that do link to someone else's threads and addresses.


I thought you came from England, then moved to another English speaking country? hehe.


tmbp, you are better off making a complete redesign of the site and functions, and not just change some colors or words.

Dooglus shills please go.

You're either dishonest or you're unaware of how easy it is to transact anonymously and clean coins.

Why would someone invest with you when you don't understand how to calculate probabilities and make false claims? If someone quadruples their money by investing in a dice site, the max bet is set too high for the bankroll. There is very little variance over large sample sizes and you should be able to fairly accurately predict profit.

Regardless of your dishonesty, you don't sound competent enough for anyone to invest with you. (Not that anyone will.) The number one sign of that isn't false claims, newbieness/dishonesty, or whatever - it's the fact that you have dooglus publicly pissed off at you. Put someone reasonable at the helm of a project like this who takes inspiration from Just-Dice (rather than literally copying it word-for-word) and you can still make it virtually the same without this kind of backlash.

Your project has failed. Tough luck, buddy - it's not like you put any work into it anyway.

How do I act rudely or dishonestly? I assume the dishonesty part comes from my belief that scamming just isn't worth it so you are implying that I am being dishonest by claiming that?

If one steals 65k BTC the only option would be to cash out small amounts on the daily (and risk getting busted every time) so effectively you would never break middle class and risk going to prison, if you have the programming/PR skills to scam said sum to begin with you could easily break 8k USD per month working in Europe in an honest manner without looking over your shoulder every day.

I have no idea how much profit is there to be made from investing in it since I can't predict the future so it's pure speculation and personal opinions on my part, one thing is for certain - you will definitely derive a bigger profit from investing sooner than later. The impression that I got is that there are plenty of players waiting to bet thus the investment would be repaid fast.

How exactly are people going to quadruple .1 BTC within days by investing in your dice site? Seems high improbable.


1. Nobody is going to prison if they stay anonymous or listen to my #3 point.
2. Laundering a large amount of BTC is relatively easily. It's not like you have to cash out all 65,000 BTC in one week. Anyone with the knowledge to run a $30,000,000 scam should have the knowledge to do that.
3. Regardless of how you do it, say you got hacked. Worked for TF and he hasn't even been charged with anything, despite not being anonymous. It's also kind of worked for Mr. Frappuccino and he stole a lot more than 65K BTC.

I am not overly bothered by people copying other people's work. Your dice site looks fine - the problem is you. You act rudely and more importantly, dishonestly. I wouldn't invest a nickel with you.

Well I was supposing that someone will take the leap of faith and throw 0.1BTC into it, probably quadriple it within days, but since there is no such individuals I will invest my own BTC soon.

Apart from copying the design and all the text from JD, your site has a zero bankroll lol.
Are you supposing people will invest in your 0-bankroll 0-bet site?

That would be highly unlikely and people would suspect that something is fishy though, statistically the chance of one account winning a vast majority of the bankroll is small.

I could easily have made a "Mateo" account and "won" the vast majority of those coins. Then they wouldn't be stolen, I would just be "lucky".

I didn't - but I could have - and presumably it would have been easy to "cash-in" those coins. If I was the kind of person who thought coins had to be "cashed in" before they were valuable.

My point is that being dishonest unfortunately *does* pay.

That's not counting the near-impossibility of laundering and cashing in those 65,000BTC not to mention the years you'd spend in prison, ultimately rendering those 20,000BTC (or even 2,000BTC) a much better option.

I don't think that's true.

At its peak, Just-Dice had something like 65,000 BTC invested.

In the year it was running, gamblers lost around 20,000 BTC.

Even if I took 100% commission, I would have only made 20,000 BTC. But if I was a scammer and stole the bankroll at or near the peak I would have made more than three times as much. As it was, of course, commission was much lower than 100% and so I would have been even more better off (I can't remember how to write proper English) scamming than running an honest site.

And I guess that's why there have been so many scam dice sites out there. It takes a long time for honest returns to eclipse what you can make from short-term scams.

I find that the real world works much like Bitcoin in a sense that one could use his mining rigs to double spend and scam for BTC, but it gives little to no financial compensation in comparison to mining in an honest manner.

Same principle applies to scams, even the biggest Bitcoin scams have profited relatively little (and at a high legal price) to the perpetrators in comparison to what they could have made if they applied their skills at operating in an honest manner.

Mircea sums it up nicely.