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Topic: All-Time-High will happen again after Bitcoin Halving on 2020? - page 2. (Read 829 times)

legendary
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To me, it's more important to observe when supply is being absorbed by the market, i.e. demand is overtaking supply, than to know the reasoning behind it.

actually i'd say it is also important to know the reason behind every move, whether it is a rise or a drop if you want to have a better understanding of the market and also if you want to speculate it better.

for instance if the reason for the rise is halving hype[1] then you can be sure that that kind of rise is not going to last long and it will fall down[2].

How would you ever know the reason for the rise is halving hype? That's impossible. You don't actually know any of that, and your "understanding of the market" may be completely false. That's the point: we can study price and volume to make conclusions about underlying supply and demand. We logically cannot make conclusions about why demand might be increasing.

There could be endless reasons why anyone is buying BTC: general long term investment, strong fundamentals, increasing adoption, economic hedging, cross-border transactions, avoiding censorship, "halving hype" etc. It would be ridiculous to assume at any point that everyone is buying because of the halving. There's literally no evidence for that. It's empty speculation.

The halving is on the back of everyone's mind when they buy bitcoin and it influences their decision one way or another.

Someone that needs bitcoin for a specific task like moving their wealth from A to B with the intention of selling once they have arrived to B, before selling, they may look if the halving is around the corner, and if it's near they may decide to hold some of it. "Hell, maybe it pumps...". Just a practical example. My point is that no matter what the halving is a constant bullish pressure.

Another stat to consider is when the market bottomed relative to the next halving, and it's around a year apart. So you could say that when bitcoin has reached a ridiculously low price after a bubble and the halving is a year away, people that is on fence about buying start getting nervous and start buying, then the rest realize we already bottomed and the next rally begins. Buyish news (like say, Bakkt) just put fuel in the rocket to accelerate things.
legendary
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That's what i'm thinking too and not expecting a hype this year or even next year because it takes how many years before a new ATH will recorded, but hope atleast a little bit of increase this 2months left or even next year would happen and not just stable at $6k floor.
legendary
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To me, it's more important to observe when supply is being absorbed by the market, i.e. demand is overtaking supply, than to know the reasoning behind it.

actually i'd say it is also important to know the reason behind every move, whether it is a rise or a drop if you want to have a better understanding of the market and also if you want to speculate it better.

for instance if the reason for the rise is halving hype[1] then you can be sure that that kind of rise is not going to last long and it will fall down[2].

How would you ever know the reason for the rise is halving hype? That's impossible. You don't actually know any of that, and your "understanding of the market" may be completely false. That's the point: we can study price and volume to make conclusions about underlying supply and demand. We logically cannot make conclusions about why demand might be increasing.

There could be endless reasons why anyone is buying BTC: general long term investment, strong fundamentals, increasing adoption, economic hedging, cross-border transactions, avoiding censorship, "halving hype" etc. It would be ridiculous to assume at any point that everyone is buying because of the halving. There's literally no evidence for that. It's empty speculation.
hero member
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Could happen, even if it happens it won't happen after the bitcoin halving.

Everyone already talks about how the halving would change the price so it means at the year 2018 we know that halving would change the price for better, if we know this right now don't you think people already started to buy ?

If people started to buy right now so they could sell after the 2020 halving price increase don't you think people will keep buying more and more until that time and more people will join in and start buying closer to that time ?

This all makes sense and the price will be already high when the halving happens, anyone who wants to take advantage of the price fluctuations during the halving period should be really quick and get in as soon as possible before the price takes off.
hero member
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Now the price of bitcoin in the market is unpredictable one.So may be happen.My speculation is the price of bitcoin will increase in next year.Because the price of bitcoin had reached the maximum in the 2017 . So I hope the price of bitcoin will increase the maximum value and positive fluctuations in 2019.But we can't say it will happen for 100 percentage sure.
legendary
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To me, it's more important to observe when supply is being absorbed by the market, i.e. demand is overtaking supply, than to know the reasoning behind it.

actually i'd say it is also important to know the reason behind every move, whether it is a rise or a drop if you want to have a better understanding of the market and also if you want to speculate it better.

for instance if the reason for the rise is halving hype[1] then you can be sure that that kind of rise is not going to last long and it will fall down[2]. surely enough every time this happened in the past the rise was followed by a fall and a downtime and finally a stable price like these days. in this case, this kind of demand doesn't last because it has come to invest because they wanted quick profit and that is what they will get when they exit.

[1] rise from $400 to $700 from May 27 to June 18 of 2016 which are 2 months before the halving
[2] fall to $550 by the end of June or a week before halving.
legendary
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With a sample size of 2, we can't really say a pattern exists. In both cases, the halvings and bubbles were so far apart that I prefer to view them as unrelated events.

It really all depends on market demand. When the subsidy halves, not only does it take time for decreased miner supply to set in, but the supply is still inflationary. Demand needs to continue growing to push price higher.

It's really impossible to predict a growth curve for demand that would help us determine the time cycle over which mining subsidy is absorbed by the market, because Bitcoin isn't characterized by inelastic demand. It's not like petrol or water or cigarettes; the demand is unpredictable.

I think there is a pattern if you look deeper. It just kicks in with a lot of delay, but the fact that the supply is shrinking is a big psychological factor ingrained in all market participants that are considering getting in. They look at the price, see not much of a thing going on and decide to keep waiting for a perfect entry point.

At some point it starts going up, potential buyers start getting nervous and realize they should have made a move a long time ago. FOMO kicks in.

It could also happen the opposite way in the future, that is: market participants try to out-move each other and the FOMO happens up to months before the actual halving and the halving could ironically become a sell the news event.

We don't have enough halvings to look at for data, but what's clear is, decrease in inflation is bullish assuming demand is there and im sure it is.

I definitely get the logic, and it's obviously true that as long as demand remains constant, decreasing the inflation rate should lead to higher price. I just don't like to make assumptions about causation.

To me, it's more important to observe when supply is being absorbed by the market, i.e. demand is overtaking supply, than to know the reasoning behind it. Buyers could be buying because of the halving........or maybe adoption is just increasing, or some combination of lots of possible factors. I can't be sure what's going on in peoples heads when they buy BTC. But I can recognize price and volume trends on the chart, and that's what matters. Smiley
legendary
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In my opinion, it will be possible just like what happened last time the  price did a trip in a new all-time high we might see it again happens on a halving event and if not the price might take an increasing passion slowly but surely and bitcoin price would always make an increase every year so no wonder what floor we might take this time around, But in my opinion, the year 2020 will be fruitful for people holding a considerable amount of bitcoin, But for now I really think bitcoin still is a good investment that other cryptocurrency.
legendary
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What we've seen along the lines of market bump regarding bitcoins price proves one thing that demand along with other aspects of the market have played a big part of the growth of the crypto market. That being said it is not uncommon to expect a market gain in 2020 as we've seen the market going down is a short set back with the followup from the imminent bull or bump that follows. Hopefully we'll see it first hand soon.
Halving helps in last year demand so it is also possible in 2020 , but if there are any news that will explode next year then it can be a big help.
newbie
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What we've seen along the lines of market bump regarding bitcoins price proves one thing that demand along with other aspects of the market have played a big part of the growth of the crypto market. That being said it is not uncommon to expect a market gain in 2020 as we've seen the market going down is a short set back with the followup from the imminent bull or bump that follows. Hopefully we'll see it first hand soon.
legendary
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All I know is that I know nothing.
all you can say is "maybe" because what you said here is only a possibility. although the figures you mentioned here are wrong but even if they were true that didn't mean they should be repeated.
in this case we don't have any logical reason to convince us that the bear market would last more than 3 years! these days there is a lot of attention being given to bitcoin and it is growing every day. it is more possible to assume the rise is going to happen much sooner than to think it will take that long.
legendary
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Probably won't take that long. Think i'll probably pass ATH late 2019 or early 2020. By the time the halving happens it'll probably be in full on boom mode going to 6 digits.

I'm hoping for the new all-time high sooner or earlier than the halving too. Bitcoin is capable of that. Did you see the pump that happened a few weeks ago? It goes up thousand dollars in just an hour that it would not be impossible to reach a few thousands more in just a short period of time. It may be quiet in the market now and this would be a good time to build up your portfolio. I believe before 2020, there would be a new all-time high as there are more people who know bitcoin now.

there IS a difference between what you call "pump" and the rise to reach an ATH.
the first one which is not a pump by the way, was not a big rise although it seems big when you look at $1000. it wasn't big because that price rise is about 15% rise and in bitcoin you can't call that a big rise. additionally and more importantly that rise didn't break any kind of resistance. price stayed within the same upper bound which makes it even less significant.
so you can't compare that with reaching an ATH.
also bitcoin is not a pump and dump altcoin which you can just "pump" whenever you like an make it reach an ATH within hours!!!
hero member
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Building such historical price patterns can be misleading.Anyway,the halving might force the miners to manipulate the market,in order to keep their revenue and profits at a healthy level.They might start buying more bitcoins,or run the "spam transaction servers" that will stuck the blockchain with lots of useless transactions,which will drive the transaction fees up.
sr. member
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Probably won't take that long. Think i'll probably pass ATH late 2019 or early 2020. By the time the halving happens it'll probably be in full on boom mode going to 6 digits.

I'm hoping for the new all-time high sooner or earlier than the halving too. Bitcoin is capable of that. Did you see the pump that happened a few weeks ago? It goes up thousand dollars in just an hour that it would not be impossible to reach a few thousands more in just a short period of time. It may be quiet in the market now and this would be a good time to build up your portfolio. I believe before 2020, there would be a new all-time high as there are more people who know bitcoin now.

hero member
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Probably won't take that long. Think i'll probably pass ATH late 2019 or early 2020. By the time the halving happens it'll probably be in full on boom mode going to 6 digits.

I agree. We will definitely some good movements around second quarter of 2019 so I wouldn't be surprised if we breached another all-time-high prior to halving. But I disagree about the 6 digits prediction though, probably max around $30K-$50K, 6 digits price is way to out of the league in the next 2 years and it will take a lot of money to flow into the ecosystem before we reach that price.
hero member
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Probably won't take that long. Think i'll probably pass ATH late 2019 or early 2020. By the time the halving happens it'll probably be in full on boom mode going to 6 digits.
legendary
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What's your insights? Is it possible?

- First Bitcoin halving happened in November 28, 2012
- Price spike to over $1k USD a year after around December 2013

- Second Bitcoin halving happened in July 9, 2016
- Price spike to over $19k USD around December 2017

-Third Bitcoin halving is expected to happen around May 2020
- New ATH on Q4 2021 to January 2022?

With a sample size of 2, we can't really say a pattern exists. In both cases, the halvings and bubbles were so far apart that I prefer to view them as unrelated events.

It really all depends on market demand. When the subsidy halves, not only does it take time for decreased miner supply to set in, but the supply is still inflationary. Demand needs to continue growing to push price higher.

It's really impossible to predict a growth curve for demand that would help us determine the time cycle over which mining subsidy is absorbed by the market, because Bitcoin isn't characterized by inelastic demand. It's not like petrol or water or cigarettes; the demand is unpredictable.

I think there is a pattern if you look deeper. It just kicks in with a lot of delay, but the fact that the supply is shrinking is a big psychological factor ingrained in all market participants that are considering getting in. They look at the price, see not much of a thing going on and decide to keep waiting for a perfect entry point.

At some point it starts going up, potential buyers start getting nervous and realize they should have made a move a long time ago. FOMO kicks in.

It could also happen the opposite way in the future, that is: market participants try to out-move each other and the FOMO happens up to months before the actual halving and the halving could ironically become a sell the news event.

We don't have enough halvings to look at for data, but what's clear is, decrease in inflation is bullish assuming demand is there and im sure it is.

sr. member
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Demand is still the driving factor before we can see another all-time-high. You might include FOMO as well in the equation. I believed that ath was reached after 4 months of the bitcoin halving in 2016 so its possible we may see it happening again, OR not. Times has changed a lot since then so I say it may push the price a little but it will took real demand to be able to see new ath.
legendary
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What's your insights? Is it possible?

- First Bitcoin halving happened in November 28, 2012
- Price spike to over $1k USD a year after around December 2013

- Second Bitcoin halving happened in July 9, 2016
- Price spike to over $19k USD around December 2017

-Third Bitcoin halving is expected to happen around May 2020
- New ATH on Q4 2021 to January 2022?

With a sample size of 2, we can't really say a pattern exists. In both cases, the halvings and bubbles were so far apart that I prefer to view them as unrelated events.

It really all depends on market demand. When the subsidy halves, not only does it take time for decreased miner supply to set in, but the supply is still inflationary. Demand needs to continue growing to push price higher.

It's really impossible to predict a growth curve for demand that would help us determine the time cycle over which mining subsidy is absorbed by the market, because Bitcoin isn't characterized by inelastic demand. It's not like petrol or water or cigarettes; the demand is unpredictable.
legendary
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not to mention that you are basically saying bitcoin only rises because of halving and nothing else!!!

That’s the point, halvings have an influence in the price but that’s not the only factor, so, it’s in theory possible to have a bear market around the next halving and we can see another ath for example next spring.

Choosing past events and trying to see a pattern in them to predict the future doesn’t usually work. It only works to understand the past.
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