yaar, just leave it. they wont understand. People like him are brainwashed and can only see the bad, not the good
Yup you are right. They can't understand even a single word we say. OK guys good bye from my side keep this rubbish talk going. This talk is going nowwhere.
"If your religious fundamentalists are idiots, maybe think about your religion's fundamentals."
Forgot where I read that.
People that talk about religious moderates usually forget that moderates are part of the same religion. If you compare a Jehovah's witness with a european protestant, this is possibly an idiotic comparison, but both still believe in god.
What you are asking us to see is the good in a belief, that to us is like believing in Santa Claus. For me, it is not understandable, apart from growing up with a religion, why anyone would say that Al'lah is their god, others are not. Same for Jahwe, Christian god, others.
All of you are atheists. You do not believe in the mighty Thor. You do not believe in the fist of Zeus. Both were there long before Islam. Does anyone of you believe in Ba'al? OR Zagan, Dantalion, Perseus?
In the countries that now embrace Islam, long gone are the days that people prayed to Marduk, Son of Ea. Near them, Anu and Enlil have been the source of prayer, while the Marduk prayers were also praying to Tiamat to forebode her chaos.
Aruond the 9th to 10th century, around 300 years after the prophet Muhammad was born and also died, you will find that the Song Dinasty in China was having people pray to the mighty Shuangdi, king of all gods. In Japan, the goddess Amaterasu o mi kami and Ameno Uzume were prayed to and believed to influence.
Christians, Muslims... are in fact Atheists against all of these gods, demigods and saints.
Although some of them lived in our own countries.
That is why I ask you: What do I have to understand? You are as much as an atheist as us, you just cannot admit it, since there is one god left. Had you been born in Southern China, you would probably be a buddhist. Had you been born in Nepal, you would probably be a Buddhist. We go one god further than others. And we ask that world wide, in every place of the world, human rights and their rights to be together as they wilt, shall be granted and honored.
We do not have to understand anyone's feelings. We respect everyone's religion as so far as that you are allowed to have it, shall never be persecuted for it and if someone wants to persecute you for your religion, we will stand in the way and die for your right to believe whatever you want, if necessary.
But we are also allowed to ridicule these beliefs. We are allowed to believe that what you believe is ridiculous. And everyone in the world, as human being, has the right for these religious feelings not to encroach on their private life. Keep your guidelines and barriers to yourself and those who are interested in them. Keep your guns where they are.
This is not an easy topic and people are entitled to their opinions. A peaceful co-existence is the right way for all humanity. That is all I really meant by the above sentiment. As in togetherness.
And it requires reason. For if we have to go beyond our pettiness by outsourcing our ethics and morals towards a book, a religious leader and take it back, we need to be truly acceptant of everyone's beliefs. And that means that we have the right to criticize, the right to ridicule and also the right to offend. We do NOT have the right to decide for others what lifestyle is good for them.