Topic: (almost) free energy presentation for real ? (Read 4381 times)
so where do i find instructions on how to build one?
I got a hand-me-down minifridge and built one too, only mine runs on grass clippings. It's so great my power bill has dropped to almost nothing!(I use the grid for backup power)
The only downside is I live in an apartment and I have to walk a couple blocks with some scissors to trim and baggie part of someone's lawn. Haven't been caught yet though.
The only downside is I live in an apartment and I have to walk a couple blocks with some scissors to trim and baggie part of someone's lawn. Haven't been caught yet though.
Latest news on the the E-Cat:
Official Websites:
http://www.ecat.com
http://www.ecatnews.net/
Video of the latest demonstration October 6th:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNCuLAZKvL4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6nlHlW8VRc
Cheap power: an overnight revolution
http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2011/101411-backspin.html
Hello Cheap Energy, Hello Brave New World:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/17/hello-cheap-energy-hello-brave-new-world/
Energy Catalyser: Potential game changer
http://www.brecorder.com/home/br-research/single/421/29:oil-and-gas/2061:energy-catalyser-potential-game-changer/?date=2011-10-19
The E-Cat is the "Bitcoin" of the energy industry. It has a similar potential for a world changing effect on an industry crucial to the current power system.
Official Websites:
http://www.ecat.com
http://www.ecatnews.net/
Video of the latest demonstration October 6th:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNCuLAZKvL4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6nlHlW8VRc
Cheap power: an overnight revolution
http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2011/101411-backspin.html
Hello Cheap Energy, Hello Brave New World:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/17/hello-cheap-energy-hello-brave-new-world/
Energy Catalyser: Potential game changer
http://www.brecorder.com/home/br-research/single/421/29:oil-and-gas/2061:energy-catalyser-potential-game-changer/?date=2011-10-19
The E-Cat is the "Bitcoin" of the energy industry. It has a similar potential for a world changing effect on an industry crucial to the current power system.
It would be great if something like this was real, but it isn't.
Although they make a big fuss about trade secrets, scientists can confirm the working of their device without needing to see trade secrets. All they need is a "black box" experiment.
Unfortunately, the "black box" demonstration wasn't run for long enough to rule out an ordinary chemical reaction. Nor was it properly audited (the measurement devices were not under the control of the observers).
If this thing had the slightest bit of legit, there's no reason why they wouldn't have shown a "black box" demonstration whose audited power output (minus power input - remember this thing is plugged into the mains) unambiguously exceeds the amount of chemical energy that can be produced from a device of that volume.
I think the purpose of the "demonstrations" might be to part investors from their money. The demonstrations certainly don't prove any new scientific effect.
Although they make a big fuss about trade secrets, scientists can confirm the working of their device without needing to see trade secrets. All they need is a "black box" experiment.
Unfortunately, the "black box" demonstration wasn't run for long enough to rule out an ordinary chemical reaction. Nor was it properly audited (the measurement devices were not under the control of the observers).
If this thing had the slightest bit of legit, there's no reason why they wouldn't have shown a "black box" demonstration whose audited power output (minus power input - remember this thing is plugged into the mains) unambiguously exceeds the amount of chemical energy that can be produced from a device of that volume.
I think the purpose of the "demonstrations" might be to part investors from their money. The demonstrations certainly don't prove any new scientific effect.
Its still to be seen if its legit and it could be a scam, but how is he trying to rob investors from their money when he has agreed with the greek company financing the test to not be payed until they have a prototype working. If this is not legit and they guy is doing it just for the lulz this is the trolling of the decade probably of the century.
It would be great if something like this was real, but it isn't.
Although they make a big fuss about trade secrets, scientists can confirm the working of their device without needing to see trade secrets. All they need is a "black box" experiment.
Unfortunately, the "black box" demonstration wasn't run for long enough to rule out an ordinary chemical reaction. Nor was it properly audited (the measurement devices were not under the control of the observers).
If this thing had the slightest bit of legit, there's no reason why they wouldn't have shown a "black box" demonstration whose audited power output (minus power input - remember this thing is plugged into the mains) unambiguously exceeds the amount of chemical energy that can be produced from a device of that volume.
I think the purpose of the "demonstrations" might be to part investors from their money. The demonstrations certainly don't prove any new scientific effect.
Although they make a big fuss about trade secrets, scientists can confirm the working of their device without needing to see trade secrets. All they need is a "black box" experiment.
Unfortunately, the "black box" demonstration wasn't run for long enough to rule out an ordinary chemical reaction. Nor was it properly audited (the measurement devices were not under the control of the observers).
If this thing had the slightest bit of legit, there's no reason why they wouldn't have shown a "black box" demonstration whose audited power output (minus power input - remember this thing is plugged into the mains) unambiguously exceeds the amount of chemical energy that can be produced from a device of that volume.
I think the purpose of the "demonstrations" might be to part investors from their money. The demonstrations certainly don't prove any new scientific effect.
you still have not explained why i would not be able to reverse engineer this device, let alone why i would not be able to sell it to the mass market. with the advent of bitcoin, it would be way to easy to commit patent infringement and sell them anonymously.
"To preserve intellectual property and trade secrets, Andrea Rossi is being forced to design a self destruct mechanism to be built into every E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) used by the public. This could delay the public (non-industrial) launch of the technology."
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1) Bluff
2) If this is so revolutionary. Someone will leak the plans/blueprints. Also, I think that government bodies have to check the device for safety before marketing/selling/renting them, so if blueprints don't leak at the company, they will leak somewhere else.
to anyone that thinks anything is impossible to reverse engineer, think again, console makers have been trying and failing to do that for over a decade now, longer if you count unofficial games made for cartridge based consoles.
Yes and no. Remember we are working here with far more than bits and data. Or SSH circumvention or what ever method of console modding you prefer. Imagine if a company in, lets say......
CHINA
was to use inferior metals or other parts of the hardware that are vital to safe operation? If the device has a power output of 10kw, thats alot of kinetic and thermal reaction. If something was to then go boom, it would be big. And painful.
to anyone that thinks anything is impossible to reverse engineer, think again, console makers have been trying and failing to do that for over a decade now, longer if you count unofficial games made for cartridge based consoles.
i note that the OP contains an apparent error:
as was discussed by some greek high mucka-muck in one of the videos, they are planning on leasing/"renting" the device only - not selling it.
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Rossi claims to have build an energy reactor that gives 10 Kwh and only needs 100 grams of nickel and 150 grams of light hydrogen for 6 months operation.
End user price will be ~$2500 and with a steam to power converter $3500.
End user price will be ~$2500 and with a steam to power converter $3500.
as was discussed by some greek high mucka-muck in one of the videos, they are planning on leasing/"renting" the device only - not selling it.
These prices came from an interview with Rossi.
I will try to find this interview and add a link to OP.
The prices in the openings post are only a rough indication, simply to show that the hardware in not really expensive.
you still have not explained why i would not be able to reverse engineer this device, let alone why i would not be able to sell it to the mass market. with the advent of bitcoin, it would be way to easy to commit patent infringement and sell them anonymously.
"To preserve intellectual property and trade secrets, Andrea Rossi is being forced to design a self destruct mechanism to be built into every E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) used by the public. This could delay the public (non-industrial) launch of the technology."
source
Fucket. get 2, dismantle one, find out the hard way what the self-destruct is, disable it on the second.
you still have not explained why i would not be able to reverse engineer this device, let alone why i would not be able to sell it to the mass market. with the advent of bitcoin, it would be way to easy to commit patent infringement and sell them anonymously.
"To preserve intellectual property and trade secrets, Andrea Rossi is being forced to design a self destruct mechanism to be built into every E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) used by the public. This could delay the public (non-industrial) launch of the technology."
source
if they are only renting it out, then whats to stop me from reverse engineering it and mass producing my own for sale and not rent.
perhaps you're not old enough to remember the black, bakelite land-line phones produced by at&t/bell, and 'leased' in a package with a phone line. did you know that you couldn't actually buy a telephone until some time in the late 1950s or early 60s?
you still have not explained why i would not be able to reverse engineer this device, let alone why i would not be able to sell it to the mass market. with the advent of bitcoin, it would be way to easy to commit patent infringement and sell them anonymously.
if they are only renting it out, then whats to stop me from reverse engineering it and mass producing my own for sale and not rent.
perhaps you're not old enough to remember the black, bakelite land-line phones produced by at&t/bell, and 'leased' in a package with a phone line. did you know that you couldn't actually buy a telephone until some time in the late 1950s or early 60s?
if they are only renting it out, then whats to stop me from reverse engineering it and mass producing my own for sale and not rent.
i note that the OP contains an apparent error:
as was discussed by some greek high mucka-muck in one of the videos, they are planning on leasing/"renting" the device only - not selling it.
...forcing consumers to participate in yet another centralized energy distribution scheme (i.e., gov't-granted power company monopolies, gasoline distribution, etc.), with the goal of making the rich, richer - and the rest of us even poorer. business as usual.
"a rising tide lifts all boats." right.
personally, i believe that complete decentralization of energy production and distribution - down to the end-user level - is actually a more important requirement to the continuation of our civilization than decentralization of money. some Bitcoiners may disagree; but i'm pretty sure of that.
well hell - bless the chinese and their endless knock-offs, eh?
of course, that's assuming this whole thing isn't something which will be dissected for decades as the sine qua non of large-scale scamming.
looks like a crappy bet either way.
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Rossi claims to have build an energy reactor that gives 10 Kwh and only needs 100 grams of nickel and 150 grams of light hydrogen for 6 months operation.
End user price will be ~$2500 and with a steam to power converter $3500.
End user price will be ~$2500 and with a steam to power converter $3500.
as was discussed by some greek high mucka-muck in one of the videos, they are planning on leasing/"renting" the device only - not selling it.
...forcing consumers to participate in yet another centralized energy distribution scheme (i.e., gov't-granted power company monopolies, gasoline distribution, etc.), with the goal of making the rich, richer - and the rest of us even poorer. business as usual.
"a rising tide lifts all boats." right.
personally, i believe that complete decentralization of energy production and distribution - down to the end-user level - is actually a more important requirement to the continuation of our civilization than decentralization of money. some Bitcoiners may disagree; but i'm pretty sure of that.
well hell - bless the chinese and their endless knock-offs, eh?
of course, that's assuming this whole thing isn't something which will be dissected for decades as the sine qua non of large-scale scamming.
looks like a crappy bet either way.
What do you think of the E-Cat cold fusion reactor that looks like a small fridge ?
Scam. I am willing to donate 1000 BTC to you if it is not.
Heard about this already in April:
http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2011/04/08/focardi-and-rossi/
Seems to be confirmed by independent Swedish researchers.
The tech might be real, the image looks bogus. Lets see how this turns out.
http://prometheusfusionperfection.com/2011/04/08/focardi-and-rossi/
Seems to be confirmed by independent Swedish researchers.
The tech might be real, the image looks bogus. Lets see how this turns out.
Joel, quoting a consensus based source (Wikipedia) only proves that you are willing to believe what most everyone else says is true. If you are incapable of testing something yourself, say so first.
I cited the Wikipedia page for reference but my own information didn't come from the Wikipedia page. I've been following cold fusion for decades. On a quick scan, the Wikipedia page appeared accurate, so I cited it mostly just to explain that cold fusion is very real and doesn't violate the laws of physics.If you think there's something incorrect on that page, feel free to say so. But just to point out that it's a consensus view (and therefore I shouldn't believe it?!) is asking for the same herd mentality you're (I think) warning me about.
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I play with bitcoins because I have heard several conflicting "consensus" reports about the nature of financial markets. I play with high voltage plasma because I have been told several conflicting "consensus" stories about the nature of cosmology. Report first on what you have measured directly yourself. Ignore (to some extent) popular opinion, no matter how erudite it may seem to be. The privileged few have been utterly wrong before.
I am fully capable of rejecting unfounded views and accepting founded views. If you have some reason I should reject the consensus view on cold fusion, I'd be happy to consider it and do so.The consensus view is sometimes wrong, occasionally spectacularly so. But it's totally irrational to suspect a view is incorrect because it's the consensus view.
Joel, quoting a consensus based source (Wikipedia) only proves that you are willing to believe what most everyone else says is true. If you are incapable of testing something yourself, say so first. I play with bitcoins because I have heard several conflicting "consensus" reports about the nature of financial markets. I play with high voltage plasma because I have been told several conflicting "consensus" stories about the nature of cosmology. Report first on what you have measured directly yourself. Ignore (to some extent) popular opinion, no matter how erudite it may seem to be. The privileged few have been utterly wrong before.
OK... Anyone want to explain how stable + stable = radiation (miniscule) + stable?
I mean, what's the waste product of this thing? Copper?
I mean, what's the waste product of this thing? Copper?
Copper and H2O..steam...
Alchemy...
Neat. Pity the nickel price is so much higher than copper.
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