Alpen Coin - “Switzerland’s first ever physical bitcoin”

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Quote from: frankbitcoin on May 25, 2024, 10:01:03 PM

Quote from: tread93 on May 18, 2024, 10:56:02 PM

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on May 15, 2024, 06:14:18 PM

This was posted on Instagram, figured I’d share here in anticipation for Alpen Coins upcoming release (I am unaware of any is the details).

It appears to be a bitmap so that means that it also has an Ordinal component https://magiceden.io/ordinals/marketplace/bitmap to it I'm guessing which was also a big deal in this halving the addition of the new runes protocol, which I might add is a very nice touch, Frank! Love your work here. Bigger is always better, especially in Texas ;P. the big 5 troy ounces! The special number 5's meaning/ interpretation as well is very intriguing. Can't wait to see these in person will have to keep an eye out for these when you drop them!

Gorgeous! Any idea when these will release or is it still not known?

Yes please update. I'd definitely be down for one of these, but since you couldn't get it loaded in block 840,000 then does it mean the project is cancelled?

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Quote from: aoluain on November 19, 2023, 06:05:22 AM

Quote from: Frank AlpenCoin on October 23, 2023, 10:01:28 AM

Thanks for your comments.

Quote from: nullama on October 17, 2023, 05:47:39 PM

One of the things that popped into my mind is that it would be really cool to have Block time there, either instead or along the "normal" time.

I agree, it would be incredible.

"Bitcoin is time" is a great article by "der Gigi" https://dergigi.com/2021/01/14/bitcoin-is-time/

I see some similarities between btc and a mechanical watch: Energy, time, proof of work,... can't write an essay.

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 20, 2023, 08:20:43 AM

Amy plans to make a series for the public

I can ask the watchmaker, but it would be a bit expensive more than 1'000 CHF.

I am still not sure if it's smart to put the priv key in the movement. makes sense for waterproofing, ... My first idea was to put only the Bitcoin address on the dial. But need more tests with the qr code, so that it is readable. and not sure about generating priv key and then engraving it.

Quote from: Tolino on October 21, 2023, 11:36:29 AM

Can I pay you by sending some money with snail post?

Send it. you get it. Grin

Thanks for your inputs...

I think this is a cracking idea of having the private keys in the movement and covered by a hologram.
Being a mechanical watch I would say that there would have to be a weight compensation for that.

The idea makes the watch a perfect carry anywhere your Bitcoin, particularly abroad or anywhere.

At first I was thinkng the watch face was plain enough but if the keys are to be inside its best to keep
the Bitcoin theme subtle ^{with the second hand and hour marks in Orange}

I love mechanical watches, is the movement a https://calibercorner.com/eta-caliber-2834-2/ ?

tell me this is happening. this is awesome

frankbitcoin

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Quote from: tread93 on May 18, 2024, 10:56:02 PM

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on May 15, 2024, 06:14:18 PM

This was posted on Instagram, figured I’d share here in anticipation for Alpen Coins upcoming release (I am unaware of any is the details).

It appears to be a bitmap so that means that it also has an Ordinal component https://magiceden.io/ordinals/marketplace/bitmap to it I'm guessing which was also a big deal in this halving the addition of the new runes protocol, which I might add is a very nice touch, Frank! Love your work here. Bigger is always better, especially in Texas ;P. the big 5 troy ounces! The special number 5's meaning/ interpretation as well is very intriguing. Can't wait to see these in person will have to keep an eye out for these when you drop them!

Gorgeous! Any idea when these will release or is it still not known?

tread93

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on May 15, 2024, 06:14:18 PM

This was posted on Instagram, figured I’d share here in anticipation for Alpen Coins upcoming release (I am unaware of any is the details).

It appears to be a bitmap so that means that it also has an Ordinal component https://magiceden.io/ordinals/marketplace/bitmap to it I'm guessing which was also a big deal in this halving the addition of the new runes protocol, which I might add is a very nice touch, Frank! Love your work here. Bigger is always better, especially in Texas ;P. the big 5 troy ounces! The special number 5's meaning/ interpretation as well is very intriguing. Can't wait to see these in person will have to keep an eye out for these when you drop them!

MoparMiningLLC

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I am def down to get one - the fees to get it into that block would have cost more than the bitcoin and the silver would have been worth.

Frank AlpenCoin

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Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on May 15, 2024, 07:06:47 PM

says funded with 3.125 mBTC but address shows zero balance. so?

I wanted to load it into the 840,000 block but couldn't. I wasn't ready. Wink

Frank AlpenCoin

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Hello,

The block is still a prototype, inspired by BTCC's famous Block... We are testing the qr code print, and the details of the Block 840,000....
if all goes well, we'll produce 21. approx. 55 mm x 55 mm x 5mm => 5 Oz silver Blocks.

Thank you for your messages, if I sell them it will be on the forum.

MoparMiningLLC

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5 oz silver

says funded with 3.125 mBTC but address shows zero balance. so?

has 2024 halving and has the halving block number on it.

I saw it on IG and told Frank I def want one.

ChiBitCTy

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This was posted on Instagram, figured I’d share here in anticipation for Alpen Coins upcoming release (I am unaware of any is the details).

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Disobey.

Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on November 22, 2023, 11:14:23 AM

Quote from: Frank AlpenCoin on November 22, 2023, 10:48:13 AM

markinaz: Not a big fan of Franck Müller watches. I really like rings.

This watch is a concept. I did it because of my passion for bitcoin and watches. thanks for your feedback.

I like your watch design - as for the private key - put an encrypted pk on the watch - like BIP38 and then you don't have to cover it or worry if it is stolen - they would still need the passphrase you have in your head. (of course back that up somewhere at home)

on a side note, I am looking to get some rings like what you have pictured in the near future to do some laser work on

Love that raw ring design. Something I thought about getting into a while ago but haven't followed thorugh so far. There are a few companies accepting custom designs.
But something cool that you come up with would definitely be something I'd be interested in.

MoparMiningLLC

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Quote from: Frank AlpenCoin on November 22, 2023, 03:28:10 PM

Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on November 22, 2023, 11:14:23 AM

I like your watch design - as for the private key - put an encrypted pk on the watch - like BIP38 and then you don't have to cover it or worry if it is stolen - they would still need the passphrase you have in your head. (of course back that up somewhere at home)

on a side note, I am looking to get some rings like what you have pictured in the near future to do some laser work on

good idea with the passphrase.

i will dm you where you can find the ring. Can I send you a design for engraving? Wink

yes! you can! as a note my laser doesnt cut into the silver noticably you can barely feel it - its more like etching it. if you want deeper cutting styled engraving - mrmojorising might be a better possibility.

Frank AlpenCoin

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Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on November 22, 2023, 11:14:23 AM

I like your watch design - as for the private key - put an encrypted pk on the watch - like BIP38 and then you don't have to cover it or worry if it is stolen - they would still need the passphrase you have in your head. (of course back that up somewhere at home)

on a side note, I am looking to get some rings like what you have pictured in the near future to do some laser work on

good idea with the passphrase.

i will dm you where you can find the ring. Can I send you a design for engraving? Wink

MoparMiningLLC

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Quote from: Frank AlpenCoin on November 22, 2023, 10:48:13 AM

markinaz: Not a big fan of Franck Müller watches. I really like rings.

This watch is a concept. I did it because of my passion for bitcoin and watches. thanks for your feedback.

I like your watch design - as for the private key - put an encrypted pk on the watch - like BIP38 and then you don't have to cover it or worry if it is stolen - they would still need the passphrase you have in your head. (of course back that up somewhere at home)

on a side note, I am looking to get some rings like what you have pictured in the near future to do some laser work on

Frank AlpenCoin

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Quote from: aoluain on November 19, 2023, 06:05:22 AM

I think this is a cracking idea of having the private keys in the movement and covered by a hologram.
Being a mechanical watch I would say that there would have to be a weight compensation for that.

The idea makes the watch a perfect carry anywhere your Bitcoin, particularly abroad or anywhere.

At first I was thinkng the watch face was plain enough but if the keys are to be inside its best to keep
the Bitcoin theme subtle ^{with the second hand and hour marks in Orange}

I love mechanical watches, is the movement a https://calibercorner.com/eta-caliber-2834-2/ ?

The movement is a Sellita SW200-1A, similar quality to Eta. The watch has to be discreet.

Quote from: rsincognito on November 20, 2023, 06:40:05 PM

If the public key was the QR code on the front of the watch, and then on the back of the inside of the casing, you could engrave the private key, so it can be unscrewed and retrieved without touching the movements, if you included the tool to unscrew the back of the watch with the purchase it would be pretty cool. Just my two cents. I love the idea.

great idea. will look into it.

Quote from: markinaz on November 20, 2023, 10:43:11 PM

I really like this idea, but have 2 concerns:

What if I need the watch serviced? I am going to have to trust someone with my private keys. (Maybe your idea of providing the tool to unscrew the back might work, if the back had the key engraved (even better if it were encased in a hologram).

Also, I agree I like the Bitcoin reference on the watch, but if the keys are on the inside and it is known, it would be a theft target.

I still prefer 2 options:

Provide a corresponding private key on an opendime or some other device similar to what the high end Vanguard watches do:

https://www.franckmuller.com/news/vanguard-encrypto-limited-edition

Have it in a ring or some other accessory that does not have a "Bitcoin" logo at all, that you can keep separately and or decide to take with.

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks!

I understand that it's a rather absurd idea to carry the private key around with you. That's why the watch has to be discreet.
By wearing a Rolex, for example, you also become a target. It wouldn't be an everyday watch if it contained the private key.

Another solution would be to simply place the qr code of the public key on the dial. No private key in the watch. What's more, the customer could create the keys, and simply transmit the bitcoin address to the manufacturer. Let's not forget : "not your keys, not your coins".

I understand all the issues related to the private key and watch maintenance. These are questions some members of the forum ask themselves when they want to have a coin graded.

markinaz: Not a big fan of Franck Müller watches. I really like rings.

This watch is a concept. I did it because of my passion for bitcoin and watches. thanks for your feedback.

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If the public key was the QR code on the front of the watch, and then on the back of the inside of the casing, you could engrave the private key, so it can be unscrewed and retrieved without touching the movements, if you included the tool to unscrew the back of the watch with the purchase it would be pretty cool. Just my two cents. I love the idea.

I really like this idea, but have 2 concerns:

What if I need the watch serviced? I am going to have to trust someone with my private keys. (Maybe your idea of providing the tool to unscrew the back might work, if the back had the key engraved (even better if it were encased in a hologram).

Also, I agree I like the Bitcoin reference on the watch, but if the keys are on the inside and it is known, it would be a theft target.

I still prefer 2 options:

Provide a corresponding private key on an opendime or some other device similar to what the high end Vanguard watches do:

https://www.franckmuller.com/news/vanguard-encrypto-limited-edition

Have it in a ring or some other accessory that does not have a "Bitcoin" logo at all, that you can keep separately and or decide to take with.

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks!

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Quote from: aoluain on November 19, 2023, 06:05:22 AM

Quote from: Frank AlpenCoin on October 23, 2023, 10:01:28 AM

Thanks for your comments.

Quote from: nullama on October 17, 2023, 05:47:39 PM

One of the things that popped into my mind is that it would be really cool to have Block time there, either instead or along the "normal" time.

I agree, it would be incredible.

"Bitcoin is time" is a great article by "der Gigi" https://dergigi.com/2021/01/14/bitcoin-is-time/

I see some similarities between btc and a mechanical watch: Energy, time, proof of work,... can't write an essay.

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 20, 2023, 08:20:43 AM

Amy plans to make a series for the public

I can ask the watchmaker, but it would be a bit expensive more than 1'000 CHF.

I am still not sure if it's smart to put the priv key in the movement. makes sense for waterproofing, ... My first idea was to put only the Bitcoin address on the dial. But need more tests with the qr code, so that it is readable. and not sure about generating priv key and then engraving it.

Quote from: Tolino on October 21, 2023, 11:36:29 AM

Can I pay you by sending some money with snail post?

Send it. you get it. Grin

Thanks for your inputs...

I think this is a cracking idea of having the private keys in the movement and covered by a hologram.
Being a mechanical watch I would say that there would have to be a weight compensation for that.

The idea makes the watch a perfect carry anywhere your Bitcoin, particularly abroad or anywhere.

At first I was thinkng the watch face was plain enough but if the keys are to be inside its best to keep
the Bitcoin theme subtle ^{with the second hand and hour marks in Orange}

I love mechanical watches, is the movement a https://calibercorner.com/eta-caliber-2834-2/ ?

If the public key was the QR code on the front of the watch, and then on the back of the inside of the casing, you could engrave the private key, so it can be unscrewed and retrieved without touching the movements, if you included the tool to unscrew the back of the watch with the purchase it would be pretty cool. Just my two cents. I love the idea.

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First off, I wanted to say, I absolutely love the design of the watch, this is something I am very interested in. One idea that I had though, was rather than having both the public and private keys in one device that is CLEARLY bitcoin related.... What about a matching non-Bitcoin item that could host the private key? What I was thinking was a modern version of a poison ring with the private key hidden under a hologram. Something like this:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1034345826/custom-initial-engraved-silver-signet

So, have a watch and a ring paired in a set. The watch hosted the public key and clearly was Bitcoin, and then the ring did not indicate Bitcoin on the outside, but on the inside was the hologram and the private key. This way you could wear both to transport your Bitcoin, or wear just the watch to show it off without risking loss of your private keys. To me a clandestine ring would be the ultimate Bitcoin wearable wallet.

I was curious to get others thoughts.

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Quote from: Frank AlpenCoin on October 23, 2023, 10:01:28 AM

Thanks for your comments.

Quote from: nullama on October 17, 2023, 05:47:39 PM

One of the things that popped into my mind is that it would be really cool to have Block time there, either instead or along the "normal" time.

I agree, it would be incredible.

"Bitcoin is time" is a great article by "der Gigi" https://dergigi.com/2021/01/14/bitcoin-is-time/

I see some similarities between btc and a mechanical watch: Energy, time, proof of work,... can't write an essay.

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 20, 2023, 08:20:43 AM

Amy plans to make a series for the public

I can ask the watchmaker, but it would be a bit expensive more than 1'000 CHF.

I am still not sure if it's smart to put the priv key in the movement. makes sense for waterproofing, ... My first idea was to put only the Bitcoin address on the dial. But need more tests with the qr code, so that it is readable. and not sure about generating priv key and then engraving it.

Quote from: Tolino on October 21, 2023, 11:36:29 AM

Can I pay you by sending some money with snail post?

Send it. you get it. Grin

Thanks for your inputs...

I think this is a cracking idea of having the private keys in the movement and covered by a hologram.
Being a mechanical watch I would say that there would have to be a weight compensation for that.

The idea makes the watch a perfect carry anywhere your Bitcoin, particularly abroad or anywhere.

At first I was thinkng the watch face was plain enough but if the keys are to be inside its best to keep
the Bitcoin theme subtle ^{with the second hand and hour marks in Orange}

I love mechanical watches, is the movement a https://calibercorner.com/eta-caliber-2834-2/ ?

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Hi Frank, please keep us posted on testing, private key placement, and availability.

Frank AlpenCoin

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Thanks for your comments.

Quote from: nullama on October 17, 2023, 05:47:39 PM

One of the things that popped into my mind is that it would be really cool to have Block time there, either instead or along the "normal" time.

I agree, it would be incredible.

"Bitcoin is time" is a great article by "der Gigi" https://dergigi.com/2021/01/14/bitcoin-is-time/

I see some similarities between btc and a mechanical watch: Energy, time, proof of work,... can't write an essay.

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 20, 2023, 08:20:43 AM

Amy plans to make a series for the public

I can ask the watchmaker, but it would be a bit expensive more than 1'000 CHF.

I am still not sure if it's smart to put the priv key in the movement. makes sense for waterproofing, ... My first idea was to put only the Bitcoin address on the dial. But need more tests with the qr code, so that it is readable. and not sure about generating priv key and then engraving it.

Quote from: Tolino on October 21, 2023, 11:36:29 AM

Can I pay you by sending some money with snail post?

Send it. you get it. Grin

Thanks for your inputs...

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