Topic: Alt account or loan defaulter [Obari] (Read 1805 times)

This topic has almost no value as there is no engagement and it is decided by a lot of people that the fact is about alt account though the accused person idn't agree but could not provide any evidence argument behind it. Now I also want to ignore the topic as a result I am going to lock the topic.

"make sure that it does not sound like you are vouching for him", that sounds pretty much like it.
I'm just not a fan of people making assumptions or accusations out of thin air.
I just updated here because I thought it's the right thing to do. All you do was complain and tell me to update in a scam accusation thread that doesn't even exist. 

But anyway, you do you, it's fine.

All the fuss has nothing to do with the original topic Shasan opened, so why even talk about it.

Since this matter is closed anyway I will now unfollow this thread to avoid further waste of time or discussions, I think we both have better things to do, for example wondering when sinbad refills the payment address. 

Please show me where I say that you vouch for him.
This?


I neither alluded nor investigated any of this. I didn't even check if you left him feedback, I didn't research or analyze anything about you two. Although you defend yourself aggressively, it sounds weird.


So, your account was not hacked?


Why did only you and AHOYBRAUSE see the attack on him? /I honestly don't even care about the reason, it's more of a rhetorical question


You now owe FatFork 0.05 BTC, I hope you will show that you are a person who keeps his word.

archived

You are an alt of Cantlogin.

Proof:

Archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/62587912


Now, about that bounty reward...

I don't follow the discussion in this thread. I read a little and most importantly I am happy if you have your money back.

Have a nice day

I was not supposed to get back here, because this is a place for kids, but let's get back with one message for clarification.

First yes Sakanwa has paid back the loan, how he did it is only mine and he's business. I really dont understand why you attacking AHOYBRAUSE about it?
AHOYBRAUSE asked me, I explaind how it was, he wanted to share it with you, even that it's not any of your business, I see it's kind of him.

And this that I should be ALT of half the world...  @NotATether @examplens and all other's I don't bother to search it up, you are nothing else then mentally ill pea brains.

If you gonna come with accusing like this, first come up with proof, but it's not any, just speculations.. because I am not an ALT of anyone and it's so obvious if you own a brain.
Let's check a bit...... Rohan (Indian)....PS34 (Morocco)...Smarty14392 (no idea where he is from)....elmanchez (speaks Russian it seems, but from some other country diarrheawolf said.

If this was true, this BS it means I would be able to speak... like 4-6 different languages.... Then I would for sure not be on this sad place.
You are so out of your mind so it's only cute. You only speculate, nothing more, and you have wrong.

Anyway, thanks for a good laugh and good luck with your life's you really need it, some of you are fucking over 50 years with kids and sitting here and act police instead of spending time with your kids, embarrassing humans.

But if you actually would find proof that I am an ALT of anyone. I challenge you. I will give that person 0.05BTC now you have to do for the rest of the week also.


@suchmoon   @Stalker22   @Bitcoin_Arena   - And you can remove your feedback. or not... I don't give a fuck to be honest.


What all of you think is irrelevant and nobody care, come back with what you KNOW and have PROOF of next time your clowns.

To all the people that actually tried to help me and the bitcointalk forum admin. A big THANK YOU!

Now I am out to  the real life.... Enjoy your time in here.

We haven't forgotten about Obari/Sakanwa and group and DT members will tag him and his alt accounts or will not, according to how they view it. In my opinion Obari can not be trusted right from offenses like using stolen/sold accounts, borrowing loans using his multiple accounts at ago (I see a planned exit scam) to cheating, lying, and ban evasion.

How and where was I vouching for him? He didn't ask me to provide this information, I just did it because it seems I am the only one still interested in this story.
Please show me where I did "vouch for him" . Because I gave him a positive feedback months ago isn't it. Yes I did, and it stays there, because he gave me a small loan without collateral which I appreciated.
Other than that we just spoke about life in general because we both live as expats in Asia, that's all.

Anyway, as Mahdirakib asked, yes I am in contact with him via telegram and that's where I asked him if the case is settled by now, and it was last Sunday, that's all. How and where he paid, I don't know, I just heard that he did and that's all that matters.

So in other words, the loan dilemma is done, now only the multi account accusation about all of them is still there.

After everything we have seen in all the cases with the c_cowboy, manipulation, lies, fabrications... That is why we accept all the information coming from his kitchen with a great deal of suspicion.
Don't forget that he started a lending service where he applied for a loan with his own sock puppet accounts.
If you are already a messenger, make sure that it does not sound like you are vouching for him with all his alternative accounts and the drama he was making.

Hello PS34

Have you verified it by asking 'CYBER_COWBOY' on telegram recently?

Sakanwa had requested for one month extension to repay the loan on 24th August. On the 27th August, Cantlogin confirmed that he received a part of the repayment amount and the remaining amount will be sent later (based on an agreement).


I don't know what kind of agreement they made, but the loan repayment address hasn't received any transaction of 0.00085 BTC from Sakanwa or any other address after the first repayment. I'm wondering in which method Sakanwa has repaid the remaining BTC loan!

Don't shoot the messenger man and you could ask these question in a better tone.
I just updated here because I had time and thought it's a good idea since cg said it himself after he gets paid he is out of here.
Also, there is no scam accusation thread about sakanwa, I just checked and I didn't find any. The communication was all in his general lending thread.

He proved in this thread that he is who he is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62745873

I just updated here to not forget about the Obari/Sakanwa/others connection, not more and not less.

Why did he only say that to you, why don't you make an update in his scam accusation thread? With proof of course.
If he cannot access his account, he can always use another account with an address signing to prove that it is him.

That is so frivolous and opens up all possibilities. But as far as I can see from the feedback, both accounts (cyber cowboy and Rohan Kotkar) are actually connected and probably alt accounts. So, a big red flag for all involved in this bullshit.

For those who care, cyber cowboy informed me that the loan has finally been paid in full.

Yet I think this case should not be forgotten (it feels like it).

Did our community detectives find out anything new? I wouldn't be surprised if there are more accounts involved since we already read about plenty. Seems like Obari/Sakanwa just continued living their lives like nothing happened.

Hhampuz has kicked out Lordhermes from the campaign yesterday as his account received some negative feedbacks recently. Where Sakanwa hasn't received any negative feedback yet as he is getting the benefits of the doubt. As a result, his name is still in the spreadsheet. Sakanwa tried his best to meet the weekly post requirement, but he has failed to do it as one of his post was made after the campaign weekly post count time.

Perhaps, Sakanwa won't say anything here as long as his account isn't at risk with negative feedback. And he won't repay the loan (remaining amount) if he gets kicked out from the campaign without getting the payment from upcoming weeks.

In these cases the simplest explanation is the true one. We cannot be 100% sure but we can be something like 99.9% sure. It is not only in that text, later he also wrote something similar.


This type of multi-accounts when they are caught what they do is to invent sophisticated stories to see if they can get rid of the punishment, they put some element to make the story a sobbing one and make people feel sorry for them. I remember in the case of martyns when he was caught with that he was not the original owner of the account, because it had been created by an Indonesian and he wrote from Nigeria, he said that he had a brother in Indonesia who had given him the account. It could be seen in the comments on the subject that there were people who felt sorry for him.

The case went so far that it started a debate on whether to tag for buying accounts.

Discussion on buying/selling accounts/users actively seeking possible bought acc

But now look, it has been reliably discovered that he was part of a much bigger ring. It wasn't just about buying an account.

Wait a minute.
I was just brushing my teeth and for some reason thought about this case again.
Obari's “explanation” was that he uses Sakanwa’s phone.

Something doesn’t add up here.

So did Sakanwa reply with Obari’s account because it was still logged in?
Also I don't know if we mentioned this, but why does he write: "I want to correct that Obari isn't a loan defaulter neither do I have any alt what so ever."

Who wrote this reply? Obari? Sakanwa? Why would he refer to himself as Obari instead of "I" but writes "I don't have any alt" some words later?

I'm just a bit confused here.

Yeah I didn't see he was in the avatar only campaign, you were right.
Fun fact, it seems that Obari isn't aware of this himself since he is still wearing the yo!mix signature and avatar even though the week ended Friday.

And yes, Sakanwa's silence is quite ridiculous.
One thing I have to add though. Since I am regularly speaking with cybercowboy I know that he and Sakanwa spoke and he already paid back a part of what he owes , like 50% or a little more. This happened some days ago.
Anyway, not even speaking out of course is a bad look and that doesn't change the multi account ( bounty campaign abuse ) allegations here.

I didn't check the spreadsheet of Sinbad as Obari was wearing the signature and avatar of YoMix.

I wasn't wrong when I made the post. Obari has been accepted in YoMix campaign for the avatar payroll today. And his name wasn't in the spreadsheet when I made the post. However, I wasn't aware of the fact that Obari was accepted in the Sinbad campaign too for the avatar payroll.

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Sakanwa is continuously making posts in the gambling discussion without clarifying the situation here. Does he really deserve the benefit of doubt?

Lordhermes, Sakanwa, and Obari also share the same style of reserving posts in signature campaigns:


I am not sure what to make of this, it appears there are just too many accounts for one person to manage. You might be onto something with the idea that the farm is run by two or more people, but it seems like everyone uses all the accounts as required.


Going down the rabbit hole, Mistafreeze account is connected to DomainMagnate and KryptoKings here. He is also linked with dbc23, coco23, Zilon, and Alisha-k accounts in this thread.

I just want to add to this, Lordhermes, an account linked to the farm, also posts in the same style:


Same thing with martyns:


Interestingly, Mistafreeze and blackened515 do not share this style. And for the accounts named above, only sometimes do they post in this style. Either the account farm is being operated by two people or they write posts from both a computer and phone.

Apart from what AHOYBRAUSE has said just to say that I have looked at the spreadsheet and yes he is on it, in row 17. As I have seen that several of you said contradictory things on the subject, although AHOYBRAUSE's seemed the most reliable, I went to check it.

Actually you guys are not up to date.
Obari has been accepted at sinbad campaign 3 days ago.



Actually I mentioned this case talking to Royse but he said he gives him the benefit of the doubt, which is fair.
Still if this case gets even more proof this benefit might change in the future maybe.

After his sob story it seems obari is back posting like a champ in the last few days. 

He is going to be kicked out with the new changes in the campaign. Today/tomorrow will probably be his last pay day for Yomix. Obari/Sanakwa/hashrateproducts has enough cash flow. He had it even before the beginning of this circus because he had several alt accounts participating in different signature campaigns but look what greed has brought him.

He tried to make up a silly excuse to avoid paying the loan. Who does that?

Had he paid back the loan in good faith, he wouldn't be under scrutiny today.

Let's assume, whatever you are saying is true. But how true is your statement? On 25th August, you said that you know 'Sakanwa' from your childhood, and you were using his phone most of the time. But on the 30th August, you said that 'Sakanwa' is avoiding you even though you tried your best to contact him. What kind of childhood friendship is it? You were using his phone most of the time to make posts on Bitcointalk forum one week ago, now he is avoiding you as the alt accounts are exposed!

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How do you know 'hashrateproducts'? Is he also your childhood friend? You had directly received Bitcoin from his address on 19th July. It looks like 'hashrateproducts' account doesn't belong to the original owner: hashrateproducts is a bought or hacked account.

There will be a new pay rate on YoMix campaign from tomorrow, and Obari's name isn't in the new spreadsheet. He wasn't accepted for the updated payroll.

I think Obari is breathing a sigh of relief after this. 

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt too, at least for the time being on both accounts, keeping an eye on them if they pay back the loans they ask for.

Sakanwa participates in a signature campaign with Hhampuz and I would say that from past experience, he does not, at least automatically, kick participants out of the campaigns he runs for a couple of red tags. There was one exception with Whirlwind.money where he did kick one out but I think that was because of the higher requirements of the campaign.

Obari is happy because he has recently been accepted into the Yo!Mix campaign, so they both have cash flow to pay back the typical small loans that are given out on the forum.

The posting styles of the two posters are extraordinarily similar. It seems like they both type their posts from a phone, without much regard for punctuation or formatting:



Also this was kind of interesting:


I think the Sakanwa account is certainly taggable based on this:


However, I'm hesitant to tag the Obari account without more sufficient on-forum evidence. If Sakanwa doesn't repay the rest of the loan in a timely manner (or the lender declares they have defaulted) then they should definitely be tagged for that. I feel like this person has already lost enough accounts recently and hopefully already learned their lesson.

Why do you talk about yourself in the third person? Did you forget again that you are logged in with Obari's account? For me you have so many alts that you can't make yourself clear. Something like the one who has multiple personalities but in the forum. From time to time they mess up.


In this forum there is no problem with you having alts, the problems come if you break the rules with them.

Ah, that makes sence.

I was just having a look at their word usage - the first example comes up with multiple usages:

https://ninjastic.space/search?author=sakanwa&content=I%20really%20don%27t%20know - 39 posts of 425 total posts
https://ninjastic.space/search?author=Obari&content=I%20really%20don%27t%20know - 131 posts of 1402 total posts

It's early days as I've only just started looking at their post usage (I'm looking for other images they've both posted of their hands ^{(think the Pumpkin farce)} and tiled floor)

That's the "preview" of my report I wanted to make.
But then I saw Shasan already made one so I only made the screen and never published it.

Thats why I wrote: "I just wanted to publish this when I saw your thread."

This isn't a post in the Known Alts thread:


@AHOYBRAUSE - where does your screen grab come from?

I have to speak up now because I've done my best to contact sakanwa and I strongly believe that he's avoiding  me and I've tried several to get him to clear the air and get me out of this mess but to no avail.

Firstly obari is no alt of any account what so ever and yes I can receive  bitcoin from anybody because I'm a vendor and  if you can also check the list of transactions from my previous  address which I used for previous campaigns
3GH9bsdENsvBUADoXdM8ocSmLtk4URXs1S
You'll see that I've helped traded several times for people.

I've been very active on the forum and I wonder how possible it is for me still trying to rank up to get an alt very active as sakanwa because I still need the merits to be able to rank up hence I don't have an alt.

I will never lie about my health, and my health issue have been made obvious on the forum on several occasions and I also went for an xray early this month and here is a picture of my x-ray.



I've been using sakanwa's device because my phone is faulty and my brother who just got a job offshore  went for a 2 months training and induction with my laptop, as for the desktop, we don't have light and desktops can't work without a direct power supply and below is also a picture of my phone as well as a chat from friend when I was trying to seek a loan to assist my brother get some money to go for his screening and training for the job



I'm in a signature campaign which is a very healthy one except for the recent changes made on yomix and I earn $60 which goes for mostly my health and feeding and anyone from country will understand  that living on a budget of $60 weekly which isn't easy especially  when you have family who look up to you and that's why I've always been a frequent member of the lending board which I've never defaulted any loan.

I swear with my life that I have no connections with any alt account and Obari  is an entirely different person and I've worked earnestly and given all my best to grow my account.

The blunder of responding with obari wasn't made my obari but rather by sakanwa because my account was logged in his device and maybe he forgot to check before making a post with it.

And as for the mixin safe review,  I had to use the desktop after buying fuel of about 10 liters at the rate of #712 per litre because i already received the payment for it and it wouldn't be possible running on a generator that consumes fuel so bad every week to meet up works on the forum.

I've always been a good forum member who apologies for every mistakes I make and I have to openly say I'm sorry for everyone who has been dragged into this mess and yet sakanwa is still not ready to atleast  speak to me not to even talk more of addressing  the public here.

I've sincerely presented myself to the house and whatever decision taken is fine but growing an alt has never crossed my mind not even for a second because I'm still trying to create a reputation on the forum.

Giving them (him) time to come out and explain, plus completing the whole childhood friends story, like Lordhermes tried in the other thread. I don't want to delete the tags later after rushing to paint them so quickly because I didn't wait to hear the entire story.

There is also another reason. Please check PM.

So any reason not to red tag Obari and Sakanwa?

Those accounts are why all started this second time (the first time was for martyns) and thanks to nutildah and FatFork analysis we got blockchain connections linking them. I think some DTs should red tag them, but I'm in a period of self-control of my tagging aggressiveness, so to speak, and I'd rather make sure I'm not missing anything before I am the first painting their profiles in red.

Based on evidence collected here, the following are also alt accounts of the same person:

Cryptohermes05
omgitsmehehe
Blackvirus Banned

They probably have even more but the fact that they were operating a lot of these accounts simultaneously is pretty astounding... They were dedicated to their craft of multi-accounting but got too greedy in the end and made one too many slip-ups.

Man, you are putting some work in, nice.
Yeah it's fair to say that the case is pretty much solid and not only does he have those alt accounts (that are also cheating in bounty campaigns) , he was also lying trying to "explain" the situation, which almost nobody believed in the first place.

If he would have been honest and admit what he has done, also paid back the loan instantly this wouldn't have escalated, no harm no foul. But coming with this silly story only made it worse and opens the door for guys like you looking into him a little deeper.

The only people coming to his defense are accounts that are also in the same local board. I guess it's only a matter of time he catches some more tags for this situation, I wonder why it didn't happen yet. This thread was quite silent the last 2 days, I bet he was hoping people would just move on from this. 

So far from what I can gather

1. Obari is an alt of Sakanwa as proved by the transaction history by both accounts using one exchange Bitcoin address at one point
2. Again Obari forgets to log in as Sakanwa and makes a post in a loan thread where "Obari" never took any loan but Sakanwa had an outstanding loan there.

So Obari = Sakanwa

3. Sakanwa and hashrateproducts post in one campaign thread using the same bitcoin address that sakanwa has always used.
There is also proof that  hashrateproducts is a hacked/stolen account

So Obari = Sakanwa = hashrateproducts (the person who stole or bought that account)

Furthermore, hashrateproducts is linked to a group of bounty cheating accounts, some of which are even already banned

Mistafreeze Banned
blackened515
BlackViruse Banned
martyns
Blackpussy Banned
9jaspyware Banned
lesor Banned
Kumasi
Lordhermes

I just want to make a clear list of the linked accounts before I start tagging

There is no issue about the previous loan for me and it is not for the asking loan on my thread. This thread is about the alt account or not.
It is a silly excuse that can be said by anyone and I don't think it can be proved that the account is his/her friend. Alt account is very dangerous for trading/lending.
You are right as the owner of the money/dollar is the lender.

The situation has already taken a different direction in this case as we have found more possible connection with other accounts. You should check this post of mine, this post of nutildah and this post of JeromeTash. Obari has received Bitcoin from 'Sakanwa' and 'hashrateproducts' Bitcoin address. Should we consider that Obari is buying Bitcoin from other people while he can't afford to buy a new phone or fix his damaged phone?

Moreover, Obari has used desktop 3 weeks ago when he posted his review for Mixin Safe. Obari had also claimed that he has both desktop and laptop. I'm wondering why he wants to rely on other people phone while he has better device (desktop and laptop) of his own.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58032025

I won't take sides, but I'll show another example where users use the same device to participate in a forum. Perhaps for those who have several devices at home, and also have the means to buy a new phone before solving their problems, it is difficult to understand that there may be other cases among us. I do not know if this is true or false, but let everything remain on the conscience of these people.
The only thing that can be said is that the best solution would be to refuse any loans from this forum and solve your problems yourself. Learn not to live in debt, it's better not to eat up for a week than to walk and hide your eyes and feel like nothing.
As for the lies of these two accounts, they have certainly lost their credibility, and are getting a tilde.

Loan update about Sakanwa

Sakanwa has now paid back 0.00139BTC (a part of the total amount)

Can be seen here: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/601f9b346f3550f88f8f5db3499fde11418d19d5e2e5def37336fb952af64d5b

He still got 0.00085BTC to pay back, and we have come to an agreement when that payment is gonna be, so he has no outstanding loan with me anymore.

Thank you Sakanwa.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62754740

It's unfortunate that Obari just decides to lie in our eyes that sakanwa is his childhood friend whose phone he has been using lately due to his phone's poor battery health. I now find most of his story hard to believe.

This whole issue could have been solved with just a simple acceptance that sakanwa is his alt account. There is nothing bad with having an alt account in the forum but what I see from Obari is dishonest behavior

1. Taking loans using alt accounts and then refusing to pay. Yet 2 of his alt accounts are enrolled in good paying campaigns. This is greed!
2. Going further to lie about his alt accounts when caught pants down

You also told as you had "called" sakanwa to come here and address this issue, we are not seeing any response from him or (you)  

Obari can you explain this?

If sakanwa is your childhood friend and this was a one-off mistake, then why are a some of his transactions going through your main exchange address at times?
Like in this example

bc1qk4y8tmgznqg9k9t3t9rzmyqhdy522zutz3gjsuv is your address (exchange address) which you use to apply in so many campaigns

Sakanwa, your "childhood friend" happens to use this address bc1q3aufw7py3e64njjaak0sndy59prruw4ayvdf5f when applying for a number of campaigns
What is unusual though is bc1q3aufw7py3e64njjaak0sndy59prruw4ayvdf5f sent some BTC received from a campaign to bc1qd7wyg4vl9xjsn4eg25mlyt4l00ajd65p9fvume which a few hours later sent all the BTC to bc1qk4y8tmgznqg9k9t3t9rzmyqhdy522zutz3gjsuv, Obari's official address!

I don't trust you, Obari. You are lying!

If no clear response is made from any of your alts. I might have to tag all of them.

Oh, what a surprise, seems like my crystal ball was fixed.
Turns out the laptop on which he did the review was a loan from his childhood friend's cousin in law nephew who just happened to have purchased a hacked account and just by mistake as he was leaving the house he posted an application for that signature campaign, only to correct it two minutes later. I'm totally sure that's how things went, totally understandable! /s
So, how long did it take, one day?

What I'm curious about is if he has learned something from this and has decided to shut up for his own good and stop trying to impersonate someone else and claim he's the friend of the friend of the friend. Otherwise, popcorn!
I just saw that there is an ETH address involved, which means bounty hunting so at least a dozen more.


The irony in this, getting caught because you linked your adreses by using a mixer promo funds.

Edit: I just saw the post by Mahdirakib that demonstrates the connection had already been made.

This guy has a ton of alt accounts... Somewhat ironically I was just connecting a few of them earlier today due to a thread opened by Poker Player, titled hashrateproducts is a bought or hacked account.



Sakanwa applied for the sig campaign two minutes before hashrateproducts but then deleted their post after realizing their mistake. He's been so busy trying to manage different alt accounts that he slips up from time to time -- a recurring theme I see often among multi-accounters.

You can find some of the other connected accounts here. I am tagging both Obari and Sakanwa (double-edit: I will not tag these accounts if all outstanding loans by this person are repaid). Dude is having a very bad day today so I won't look for other alts for the moment.

There is another interesting thing about it, and that is that whoever is behind hashrateproducts is not the original owner of the account, which I think deserves a thread.

Just coming across this for the first time, very interesting if I must say this , obari is an active poster in our Nigerian local board , it is completely disappointing to see him involved in such an issue , as an established user of this forum, he should have known how much the forum frowns at user operating an alt account.

Though I still believe it's a cock and bull story , but if I should give him the benefit of doubt , I will say that it is very foolish of him to have decided to use another user's phone to access his account ,when he is in a signature campaign , if the current phone he's using is very bad as he said , he could have saved up earning from his signature earning for at least two weeks , that is enough to get him a complete new phone with better battery , or he could have used third quarter of his signature earning to get himself a power bank, which will ensure he's phone is always on , and for the screen , the remaining half of his weekly signature earning could have been used to change the screen of the phone , so let's just say that, his one week signature earning is enough to fix he's phone, but he still decided to make use of another forum user's phone , that story is completely unbelievable to me , it's just one of those excuses , who ever is caught doing one wrong thing or the other will always have an excuse or excuses as to why or what made them do what they did , I hope this does not escalate more than this, cause if it does , it will be very detrimental for his reputation.

You're new here, aren't you? 😜

I think using Google five seconds will give you an answer.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=560219957&sxsrf=AB5stBiWySEAtjLgNFxVveV7qhhT52NPtA:1693009901862&q=When+did+Samsung+s9+come+out&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiju7SuifmAAxVBRvEDHTKWBaYQBSgAegQIDBAB&biw=1920&bih=955&dpr=1

Didn't ps34 have one of those he was trying to flog off as collateral at one point?

How common / age are they? My phone is a different brand, so I'm not familiar with them.

Nice find! Pandora's box has been opened! 

I wouldn't be surprised if some of those accounts jumping in this thread to defend obari are somehow connected as well. They blindly jump on the "why didn't I get a loan" part and totally ignore the multi account problem, even though it's super obvious.

These 3 mentioned are definitely controlled by the same person, the connections are too strong. First the "damn I used them wrong account" mistake, now this.

And the hashrateproducts account has a large post gap between 2014 and 2017 and also between 2017 and 2022. Posting style completely changed from 2022. I will be damned if this account wasn't sold or hacked.

I think there might be more account connections here and something is not true.


I wondered why Obari kept requesting for a loan even when Shasan kept rejecting it. Something was not right, but i didn't want to interfere.

Although I don't have any strong evidence, but it seems like there is one more account connected with Sakanwa or Obari. And the account is hashrateproducts. Sakanwa had applied on the MoneyPot signature campaign at 9:32 PM on 20th August. And 'hashrateproducts' had applied on the same campaign at 9:34 PM on 20th August. Sakanwa had applied in the campaign before hashrateproducts. Therefore, it wasn't a copy paste mistake from Sakanwa.


'hashrateproducts' had received 0.003 BTC from Mixin Safe review campaign on 19th July, then he sent the BTC to Obari's Bitcoin address.


(Transaction link)


I'm not sure about the 'loan defaulter' part, but those 3 accounts might be connected (alt accounts).

Lack of constant power supply is one big torn on the flesh for majority of the people from those third world developing countries (like myself I don't engage in trading when am with a low battery below 50% charge as I can't afford losing my money due to a flat phone in the middle of my trade) and it's more worsen for those persons using phones with poor battery as it can mess them up at any point not minding how important whatever shit they  are executing is to you. So @Obari I can relate to your alibi from that angle that's if it's coming from a place of truth.

Am not trying to give some clumsy excuse in your behalf but I think I'll agree with @Giftedman, your health should be of cardinal concern for you to attend to at the moment as the issue on ground you're head on to resolving is secondary to life(health they say is wealth) and can be resolved when you're back in good health, you can't be dealing simultaneously with the tension from your health and forum allegation at same time.

Meanwhile I am very disappointed at loan seekers like @Sakanwa, so apply every means necessary to get to him to clear his loan, it is someone's business and shouldn't be joked with as am not in support of such attitude of borrowers  towards people's business.

@Obari, I think you don't need to feel disappointed because you were not granted your loan request @shashan must have a reason for not given you and you can't force it on him neither will you question him about it because it's not your business neither is it your money. Now concerning your health issues, I think you need to find a way very fast to take proper medication so that something bad will not happen to you while you are working to resolve the issues surrounding you right now. Coming to the forum I have come across a thread where a Nigerian forum member was lost it will be very bad if such news comes up again as a result of your ignorance, get medication while you still have a case here you can as your local board for assistance I believe everyone will be willing to help out.

I stand to be corrected if I go a bit off to the topic of discussion but I think @Obari needs to get better to be able to answer for himself here. Most times people don't think probably when they are sick and it may lead to something else so I suggest we give him sometime to get back to good health before something bad happens to him as a result of this, my honest suggestions though.

Let's stay a bit honest in what aspects, please? And where in my statement did you find that dishonesty? You can read back the statement again.. even if the said Sakanwa posted on ones in a page of 4 on the local board, those few posts are what I mean by being contributing to our local board, and I have seen such posts on our local board more than I can remember. The above-mentioned football threads are where I barely visit as I am not much of a lover of football, so unless you saw something else in my statement that proves otherwise, or maybe you have a different definition for the word "honest,"

Let's stay a bit honest here.
90% of Sakanwa's posts are in different European football league threads, at least on the last 5 pages, meaning 100 posts.
Also these posts are all close to each other, time wise, or in bulk, basically posting to get paid, nothing more nothing less. Often there is 1 hour or 30min between the posts, which COULD hint he in between he is posting with alt account. Just an assumption/observation.
There is no problem with that, many do this as a "job" , but you can't say he is such a valuable part giving his posting activity.

Also, he took part in the mixin safe review campaign, where he got paid 0.003 btc on July 29th.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62617986

With this money he could have paid back his loan, he chose not to. With his rewards from the signature campaign he could have paid his loan, he chose not to.
He is aware of the situation right now, has been online several times, he chose not to comment in the forum.

That says a lot.

The whole cybercowboy "hack or not" situation is messy enough, not getting a loan paid back is a different story. And about Obari, I guess we all know what's going on, people are not blind.

Just me 2 cents about this, let's see how it all plays out.

I don't know any of the account owners in person, though, but they are both good contributors to our local board, as I have seen both members post on countless occasions, and they are organic.

@Obari, if you can connect with @Sakanwa, please just do that for the user to come and clear the loan that is being owned as it's already overdue, one case at a time, and I hope the member responds to calls and messages as it might turn out bad for S/he's account if the loan is not cleared.


From the thread link you provided, it was already clearly stated that you give the loan default up to 24 hours. Why the change of time? And secondly, I will advise the loan defaulter, if ready to pay, to deal with things directly here on the forum and not follow any telegram users for transparency, shake in others for other users to also verify when the loan has fully been repaid, and the loan was also taken on this forum and not outside the forum, so the business will be nice if concluded here too.

This story is nothing new, the account of friend, cousin, brother, sister etc. The connection that the lender has found between your accounts, and the evidence found are enough to reject your loan request. Now it's a question of how believable your story is, because it's a common thing on this forum that when someone gets caught with an alt account they make up different stories like this.

It is clearly proven here that you may not have noticed while posting so it was posted from the wrong account, such a big mistake should not happen as the story you told. I may be wrong in understanding your case, looking forward to see more and what comes out.

Yeah, OK. I think I'm a bit thick this morning as this is the second mistake I've made. Sorry about that.

OK, it was a message in CYBER_COWBOY's lending thread. It doesn't change the point anyway, and it's that he screwed up by posting that from the wrong account. And I think the explanations he tries to give here are even more ridiculous. As stompix says, I wouldn't be surprised if a few DTs now go through both accounts and find even more negative stuff.

No offense boss. You misconceived my position. What I meant was that members in campaigns have better chances of getting loans. So I was surprised that his own was turned down. My thought was that you may have refused to give the loan for other reasons which from what I have observed his insincerity in repaying. If you check my next post you will observe that I told Obari that he has no right to question your refusal to grant his request. I am sorry for my inability to clearly explain my point.

You are still too far. The message/post was not to me that was to another lending thread. Obari posted about the repayment on that thread while s/he has not taken any loan. So, obviously, s/he was an account of Sakanwa. I am trying to prove that both account is managed by the same person.
So, it occurs as both of you using the same device? But while I sent you a message on telegram you replied on that time. I doubt that both accounts are operated by different people. Would you like to ask your local board users who know both of you to share that you are not the alt account of Sakanwa?

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Are you crazy??
Why I will take him/her down? I want to join on that campaign???

Yeah, ironic:1000 post in 16 days total logged in time 
Must be karma!
Ps: you had a desktop one week ago when you were doing reviews!


Oh, the childhood cousin who will turn out to be your wife's friend's granddaughter!

Simple, you f! up! Man up, deal with it and with the consequences and that's it!
Let me tell you from years of experience what happens usually in those cases, instead of cleaning your reputation, you make everyone look at your account and more nasty stuff comes to light. I've seen enough accounts coming here to clear a misunderstanding and leaving with 10x more red tags and with an army of alts uncovered.

Even if you're that 0.001% who truly has a friend who lends him his phone to post on Bitcointalk, you will never be able to prove it beyond a doubt, it's easy to just call a friend, make him record a 5-second video of him claiming he is sakanwa, so what? I can post a picture of my cat with a paper signed "theymos", what would that prove?

@Obari tell your friend @Sakanwa to please pay back the loan today. It's now two days overdue.
If he does not have money, at least he can add me on telegram and we can set up a installment.
I need my money asap.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62745873


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Thank you for your explanation. I read the thread but I don't get the part that it was Sakanwa that has an outstanding loan and Obari is asking for another loan. @Obari, a lender can turn down any loan application without explaining the reason. So you don't have the right to ask for an explanation because loans are given based on the lender's rules.

You  don't expect me to make stories with my health and there have been several  post were i stated about my health and also stated when I got an xray and I also told shashan about my phone and health.

And I'm  supposed to see a doctor tomorrow  which I already told shashan that my appointment  is for weekend and shashan some times takes long to approve a loan maybe because his not active or so but I asked for the loan today against tomorrow.

Please don't make it seem we're  not supposed to know ourselves outside  the forum and him not being  able to clear up the loan has nothing to do with me and I'm in this picture because I have been using his phone for some time now.

Obviously you didn't read the rest.
His "friend since childhood" is defaulting a loan. And it looks like Obari and the defaulter are the same person. His explanation makes a little sense, ok I get that, but it also looks super suspicious.

Sakanwa can't pay back a loan and in the same moment Obari tries to take a loan. Also Obari commented in Sakanwa's loan thread like he is answering the accusations. Doesn't make too much sense.
Also Obari was contacting the lender to please delete the quoted post looks pretty sus to be honest.

I think the health and phone story is what it is, a story.

I've already cleared up my loan with Shashan weeks back and anyone who was observant would have noticed that I've  been struggling  to make post on my account for sometime now and I barely miss post number because I make my post passionately not to pursue signature quarter and I haven't been an easy one for me without a good phone and still investing all the money I earn in health.

And I've called sakanwa on his phone to come answer and clear up all the air because i guess he didn't logout my account from his phone before making a post

Sorry about your health issue and I wish you a quick recovery. Health problems can be a drain to our financial resources. I am surprised that Shashan turned you down because it is unusual for him to turn down members who are in campaigns. And you are in one of the long-lasting campaigns in the forum. But you need to give some explanation to clear your name from this issue. My mother will always say that it is better she go hungry than to be in debt. I just hope you raise funds and pay the loan.

Well firstly I want to thank everyone who have shown interest in this thread and secondly  for those who have been active on the lending board would have seen me in several cases and I've had about 3 times loan from shashan and there was a time I was given $150 loan and got scammed but I still cleared up the loan.

I've been battling with my health and most of the loans I've taken so far are for my health issues  and I also have a phone with very poor battery, a Samsung galaxy s9 edge which is even broken badly and since  last week, it has been so blur that you barely read from the screen and I also told @shashan about my health and also the phone.
quote author=Obari link=topic=5030169.msg62696427#msg62696427 date=1692034157]
I respect your decisions sir but I think it will be fair enough if you give me some clue to why you turned me down because last I checked, I haven't failed not even for once on my loan terms and I've been very respectful in time past and the only time it seems I got you angry was because I wasn't familiar  with sending usdt on binance and I use a Samsung  s9 with a poor battery health and the phone went off in the middle of our conversation  which I responded to as soon as I got the phone charged.

Its fine if you don't want to offer me another loan but I'm sincerely  sorry for whatever way I must have wronged you and I hope this doesn't  ruine our business relationship.

I also want to say a very big thank you for all the help so far, I'm grateful  and I hope to pay off the remaining  $12 within the week. Thanks 😔
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I've known sakanwa from childhood and I can always attest for him and since my phone has been bad, I've  been logging in my account with his phone most times and it has really dragged me backward for over three weeks or so because I haven't been able to meet up with my work in my signature  campaign because I have to share sakanwa's phone with him and you know mistakes do happen and sakanwa is a totally different  entity  all together which i believe  many other persons might know him in person in the local board and I have been pairing with him on his phone and if something like this happens then is a mistake.

I want to correct that Obari isn't a loan defaulter neither do I have any alt what so ever.

Yes, k checked Obari post history in ninjastic space and found the above mentioned reply which has been deleted from forum now. I think same that Sikandar and obari is managing by same person or atleast login in same device (brother or any other relationship). Obari can explain correctly what happened actually. If both accounts managing by same person then still it wondering because lacal board of both accounts are changes Bangladesh and Nigeria.


I have also read three times what actually happened,  we have to read from start what actually happen but you now make it easy for new visitors.

I have indeed seen it. See the bolded part:


What I see is that he probably got confused of account when he sent you the private message and instead of sending it to you from Sakanwa's, by mistake he sent it to you from Obari's account.


That's all well and good, but what do you have to say about you managing both the Obari and Sakanwa accounts?

100% right.

I just wanted to publish this when I saw your thread.

I have highly tried to show that obari is the alt account of the borrower. Probably you have not see the quoted post of obari and also you have not gone through the reference link. If you read the quoted post of obari and reference link then it will be clear to you whether they are alt or not.

Funny how things work here
And respectful  I'm a user who is very committed  in the lending board and on several occasions I've asked shashan for a loan and he turned me down and I even asked for a loan this morning because as we all know that it takes sometimes several hours before shashan approves of loans and since my appointment  with the doctor was supposed to be tomorrow, I had to seek a loan so I can get ready before tomorrow.

It took me several times reading the posts to understand. The truth is that I don't feel sorry for CYBER_COWBOY, now Cantlogin or any of his alts, nor for the accounts that borrowed from him and have now defaulted.

Summary for those who want to understand without diving through the posts:

Sakanwa borrowed 0.00203BTC from CYBER_COWBOY, for which he had to pay back 0.00224BTC. He has defaulted on that loan, now excusing himself that CYBER_COWBOY has lost access to his original account or is hacked, and asks for an extension for one more month. The lender disagrees and sashan further tells him that he should repay the loan to the same address that sent him the funds originally.

Sashan says that Obari is an alt of Sakanwa, and it seems so from the way he talks in the PM he sent him, but to top it off I just saw that Obari has asked sashan for a loan right now LOL.

Reserve

What happened:: Posted as a borrower and removed the post

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/obari-3504269

Reference Link: https://ninjastic.space/post/62745051
Amount Scammed: 66$ may be
Additional Notes:
I have received an email where I can see a post made by Obari on the lending thread. The post was as mentioned below:
This means the user took a loan from there but when the lender told him not to lend that person then removed the post. From there I think:
The user is an alt account of Sakanwa. Wanted to post from the account Sakanwa but by mistake posted from Obari. Also from the record of  https://ninjastic.space/ Obari has not taken any loan. That means it is an alt account.

If not they are alt accounts then Obari is the loan defaulter who took the loan from outside of the form or private message on the forum but as the lender told not lent deleted the post.

Please provide your opinion of you.

If it deserves to post anywhere else then please let me know.