How much longer will JollyGood take to reverse his feedback?

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 17, 2023, 07:17:47 PM

Not saying they are alts, however, there is a clear pattern going on here:

the only other UID's with "coco" in their names all have "23" in their profile name:

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Offline coco23 Hero Member 2013-03-19 2706
Offline Rococo23 Brand new 2018-01-09 0
Offline coco2392 Brand new 2018-02-22 0
Offline dricoco23 Newbie 2017-09-07 1

Then we have dbc23 which also has "23" in the name

Alisha-k was registered on the 23^rd...

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Offline Alisha-k Member 2020-10-23 1899

This looks very interesting and deserves to be brought up and posted in the latest page rather than be at the bottom of page 2. Thank you for bringing this as an update to the conversation. I will end up tagging each of the following accounts with appropriate feedback and will be happy to remove or revise any and all tags if relevant new information comes to light:

~dbc23
~Zilon
~Alisha-k
~coco23
~Mistafreeze
~DomainMagnate
~Rococo23
~coco2392
~dricoco23

Quote from: SatoPrincess on May 24, 2023, 02:54:47 PM

I noticed OP stopped posting after his account was tagged, it seems OP abandoned his account since it can’t be of any use to him campaign wise but the other accounts linked to the OP are very much active. One of them already has previous negative tags as being a promoter of 1xbit and I don’t think they care about their reputation, the other did not respond to this thread or try to defend himself. I’m sure OP will be waiting for a campaign that accepts negative tagged accounts like 1xbit to emerge so he use his account.

Time is always of the essence when it comes to signature campaigns therefore I am not surprised the OP (dbc23) has given up on posting using that account but as you pointed out as soon as the OP can enrol on to signature campaign that pays participants with negative tags, he most probably will start using that account again.

The puppeteer that is controlling dbc23 is clearly controlling several accounts and not all have been discovered therefore he will be busy focusing on trying to keep them clean while he earns signature campaign fees from them.

I suppose he will never create another thread asking for negative or neutral feedback to be removed from any of his farmed accounts again Grin

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I noticed OP stopped posting after his account was tagged, it seems OP abandoned his account since it can’t be of any use to him campaign wise but the other accounts linked to the OP are very much active. One of them already has previous negative tags as being a promoter of 1xbit and I don’t think they care about their reputation, the other did not respond to this thread or try to defend himself. I’m sure OP will be waiting for a campaign that accepts negative tagged accounts like 1xbit to emerge so he use his account.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 21, 2023, 01:12:47 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on May 20, 2023, 11:06:08 PM

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I don't know whether to send him a PM for his consideration.

If there's no rule about maximum posts per day, it's mean the user is free to create how many posts per day, this will depends on him to count it or not.

In the end I sent him the PM just to let him know the facts. It is true that Zilon strictly speaking did not break the rules of his signature campaign but I believe it was reasonable to bring the facts to the attention of his manager.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 21, 2023, 03:06:12 AM

I think this might just be a wee bit off-topic,

I don't think it is (a bit) off-topic.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 21, 2023, 03:06:12 AM

but I took a look at Zilon's recent posts and they're not only quite numerous but most of them are generic crap that I see a lot when I'm doing post history reviews. Nobody can read minds, but I think it's pretty obvious when someone is posting just to get paid.

I wanted to emphasize the "just" because actually getting paid to write works as an incentive for those of us who wear paid signatures, but there is a considerable difference with those who write just for the money, than those who consider the money an extra for doing an activity they like.

Regarding the quality I had not commented anything but I also think that his posts are quite generic, although in a campaign where half of the 20 required posts are required in the Gambling Section that style of writing is usual.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 21, 2023, 03:06:12 AM

I think this might just be a wee bit off-topic, but I took a look at Zilon's recent posts and they're not only quite numerous but most of them are generic crap that I see a lot when I'm doing post history reviews. Nobody can read minds, but I think it's pretty obvious when someone is posting just to get paid. Lack of effort and thought put into posts really sticks out when you're reading closely.

And back on topic....hasn't this issue been put to rest already, even if it wasn't to OP's satisfaction? I'm not sure what the big deal was, since JollyGood left a neutral, which I think is entirely appropriate.

All the effort the OP exerted trying to drum up support via this thread (in order to have a neutral tag removed) was by all intent and purposes both pointless and counter-productive. It was pointless because he should never had felt the need to stress over a neutral tag and following on from that, it was counter-productive for him because various alt-accounts are now definitely connected whereas some are assumed to be connected.

I am also going to leave a red tag on top of the neutral but I wanted to see what more drama will be added here by the OP as he puts forward counterclaims in the hope of getting tags removed.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 21, 2023, 01:12:47 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on May 20, 2023, 11:06:08 PM

I don't know whether to send him a PM for his consideration.

If there's no rule about maximum posts per day, it's mean the user is free to create how many posts per day, this will depends on him to count it or not. Just like in my campaign, he don't set up maximum posts per day.

I think this might just be a wee bit off-topic, but I took a look at Zilon's recent posts and they're not only quite numerous but most of them are generic crap that I see a lot when I'm doing post history reviews. Nobody can read minds, but I think it's pretty obvious when someone is posting just to get paid. Lack of effort and thought put into posts really sticks out when you're reading closely.

And back on topic....hasn't this issue been put to rest already, even if it wasn't to OP's satisfaction? I'm not sure what the big deal was, since JollyGood left a neutral, which I think is entirely appropriate.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 20, 2023, 11:06:08 PM

I have seen some curious behavior from Zilon. This week he was several days without writing in the forum, and he has written a lot in the last couple of days to meet his post quota.

I don't know whether to send him a PM for his consideration.

If there's no rule about maximum posts per day, it's mean the user is free to create how many posts per day, this will depends on him to count it or not. Just like in my campaign, he don't set up maximum posts per day.

Let's not forget about legitimate negative feedback by DT member rule, but this would depends on each user to judge legitimate or not the feedback is. It's understandable for campaign manager to accept negative feedback user, but it mostly for someone who's popular or high quality poster.

I don't think Zilon has such reputation, but yet can still accepted, this is not the first time anyway, there are few users without any reputation and received few negative feedback can still allowed to participate in Duelbits campaign.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 20, 2023, 11:06:08 PM

Thanks to this he was able to pay back the $50 loan to sashan.

The repayment came from wallet address TLYCaS9cZErMpUuwjZQbkFvYqx6Zaq11hE which must be an exchange address as it currently has a balance of in excess of $656,000 (and over 3.7M TRX) - at a guess they are looking to sell the UID to an unsuspecting hack who won't know about the negative DT trust until after a sale.

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I have seen some curious behavior from Zilon. This week he was several days without writing in the forum, and he has written a lot in the last couple of days to meet his post quota.

With two days left in his campaign week he had only written 6 posts. On the 19th he wrote 8 posts in one hour and 12 minutes, which comes out to a gap of 9 minutes between posts. Yesterday he wrote 6 in a similar period of time. That makes a total of 20 posts, just enough to get paid, although in the spreadsheet I see 21, I don't know if one has been deleted by the moderators.

Thanks to this he was able to pay back the $50 loan to sashan.

Hhampuz has a rule in other campaigns not to count more than 5 posts per day that I have not seen in this one. In the Duelbits one for example:

Quote from: Hhampuz on October 05, 2020, 03:15:41 PM

A maximum of 5 posts per day will be counted.

I don't know whether to send him a PM for his consideration.

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Quote from: nutildah on May 15, 2023, 11:23:52 AM

There was a 15-20 minute window in which coco23 may have for whatever reason pasted dbc23's BTC address in their own application, which is why I didn't straight up tag him for sig campaign cheating. It still seems highly unlikely that it was a mistake. Have you ever applied for a sig campaign using somebody else's BTC address?

I think I have never applied a campaign using someone BTC address, I always be careful, but I can't make sure if I wouldn't make this mistake because shit can happen.

The thing is coco23 applied the campaign after dbc23, he can use this reason to defend himself and create a drama, so I choose to only look a solid proof. Ninjastic.space tool didn't record all the edited posts, dbc23 might post that BTC address on the third or fourth edit which could be earlier than coco23.

Quote from: Stalker22 on May 17, 2023, 03:39:53 PM

Speaking of which, do you have any tricks for finding images in posts? I tried with ninjastic.space but it doesn't seem to be possible. I can find the links, but not the embeded images.

Nope, this was happen unintentionally by clicking dbc23's image. I don't find anything suspicious until I found an image related with Alisha-k on his imgbb account, that's make me continue to dig more Cheesy

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 17, 2023, 07:34:01 PM

I am unfamiliar with the incident you refer to therefore I will try to search for it but were any of the DT trolls (as you refer to them) added on DT by an alleged alt-account? If you were trolled by a group over a neutral tag then that seems highly excessive but it is not an uncommon phenomena in the forum. Not that long as I was trolled by a group of 3-4 who were using any and every opportunity to troll me and even now occasionally it seems one or two of them from time to time have a small outburst but it does not bother me.

It would be interesting to find out the incident you refer to, is it possible to post a link to the neutral feedback you left?

You can start with any of the threads that were started against me with my user profile name in the title and see which of the DT joined in the free for all that ensued.

As I've said time and time (and time and time) again - You're welcome to sift through all of my trust feed-backs - good, bad or indifferent and either support my findings, or show me where I am wrong (if at all) and I'll make corrections.

There's a couple of alts that DT distrust me which should shouldn't be allowed to occur but does.

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Quote from: actmyname on May 14, 2023, 01:46:15 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on May 14, 2023, 01:26:47 PM

Even those proclaiming their reputation is under scrutiny because of a single neutral tag from me

If someone does claim this as the case, then clearly the neutral tag should not be removed.

In fact, such a case would demand the neutral tag's elevation to a higher status of negative feedback, in my opinion.

You have an interesting observation on elevating the status of the feedback Grin

Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 14, 2023, 07:07:00 PM

This is just like a few years ago when various UID's created threads that I had left them *neutral* trust feedback and they ran with it encouraged by a minority of DT Trolls who rinse and repeat to bang their thin skinned drums and wiggle their bonny fingers. It will pass and as we've seen here, the OP is just one of many alts that are quickly exposed by many.

Next week they will find someone else to Troll and their throw away farmed account will be yesterday's news.

Another reason newbies shouldn't be allowed into some sections of the forum.

I am unfamiliar with the incident you refer to therefore I will try to search for it but were any of the DT trolls (as you refer to them) added on DT by an alleged alt-account? If you were trolled by a group over a neutral tag then that seems highly excessive but it is not an uncommon phenomena in the forum. Not that long as I was trolled by a group of 3-4 who were using any and every opportunity to troll me and even now occasionally it seems one or two of them from time to time have a small outburst but it does not bother me.

It would be interesting to find out the incident you refer to, is it possible to post a link to the neutral feedback you left?

Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 15, 2023, 10:43:19 AM

Alisha-k is a 1xbit participant and already received numerous negative feedback, it's the time to say goodbye for Zilon and dbc23? Cry

It's interesting what the @OP will say about this Tongue

The OP has gone quiet on this and several other claims made in this thread but surprisingly he has not locked the thread.

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Not saying they are alts, however, there is a clear pattern going on here:

the only other UID's with "coco" in their names all have "23" in their profile name:

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Offline coco23 Hero Member 2013-03-19 2706
Offline Rococo23 Brand new 2018-01-09 0
Offline coco2392 Brand new 2018-02-22 0
Offline dricoco23 Newbie 2017-09-07 1

Then we have dbc23 which also has "23" in the name

Alisha-k was registered on the 23^rd...

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Offline Alisha-k Member 2020-10-23 1899

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 15, 2023, 10:43:19 AM

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Anyway I find something interesting here, these three accounts were using the same imgbb's account named MERIT LOUIS (Archived version)

This is a great find, @Jawhead999! Based on the evidence you have uncovered, along with our previous findings, it appears quite clear that Zilon, dbc23, and Alisha-k are indeed operated by the same user. Well done on connecting the dots!

Speaking of which, do you have any tricks for finding images in posts? I tried with ninjastic.space but it doesn't seem to be possible. I can find the links, but not the embeded images.

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I think there are too many evidences in this thread not to wait any longer to negative tag the OP and Zilon.

In the case of the OP, having seen him give explanations I doubt he could say anything more convincing. In the case of Zilon maybe, but what are they going to say about the ibb account that is created with only one username and one email? It was created by the same person . It doesn't make sense otherwise.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 15, 2023, 10:43:19 AM

Looks like coco23 isn't his alt because this user is active in German board, while Zilon and dbc23 are from Nigeria.

There was a 15-20 minute window in which coco23 may have for whatever reason pasted dbc23's BTC address in their own application, which is why I didn't straight up tag him for sig campaign cheating. It still seems highly unlikely that it was a mistake. Have you ever applied for a sig campaign using somebody else's BTC address?

Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 15, 2023, 10:43:19 AM

Anyway I find something interesting here, these three accounts were using the same imgbb's account named MERIT LOUIS (Archived version)

This is a very clever find. I would have never thought to look at that kind of thing. If anything dbc23 will just have to join 1xbit now Cheesy

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Quote from: nutildah on May 14, 2023, 06:41:09 AM

What's worse is you appear to have a bunch of accounts on this forum, and one of them is even in DT2:

Oh it looks like plot thickens, and new multi account connection is now unlocked Shocked

Whenever I see someone bitching so much about neutral feedback I know there is something fishy about that, but they usually dig their own hole with bringing attention of investigators Wink

I don't think that coco23 and all his alt accounts should be in DT at all...

Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 15, 2023, 10:43:19 AM

Looks like coco23 isn't his alt because this user is active in German board, while Zilon and dbc23 are from Nigeria.

That could also mean that some accounts changed hands (maybe in 2020).

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 14, 2023, 12:53:16 PM

I have removed and revised feedback on numerous occasions. I am not as strict or as stubborn as some might make me out to be Grin

Nice to see that, maybe I wasn't in this forum or not following all the cases here, that's why I can't remember if you have revised your feedback.

Quote from: nutildah on May 14, 2023, 06:41:09 AM

I'm not tagging you but I am excluding you and coco23.

Looks like coco23 isn't his alt because this user is active in German board, while Zilon and dbc23 are from Nigeria.

Anyway I find something interesting here, these three accounts were using the same imgbb's account named MERIT LOUIS (Archived version)

Quote from: Zilon on April 28, 2021, 06:07:41 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Alisha-k on April 21, 2021, 06:56:24 AM

Alisha-k is a 1xbit participant and already received numerous negative feedback, it's the time to say goodbye for Zilon and dbc23? Cry

It's interesting what the @OP will say about this Tongue

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on May 14, 2023, 09:20:29 AM

How many coincidences today.

I see a pattern here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62156205

I don't know if these multi-account holders have a plausible deniability plan in advance if they are caught to avoid getting negative tags. The same thing happened in that case.

The explanations he gives are within reason, but they prove nothing. That Zilon and dbc23 write on different boards may obey a pre-established plan precisely to try to make it appear that there are different people behind the accounts.

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 14, 2023, 01:26:47 PM

Speaking of cans of worms, here is another case where a member is asking for (or insisting on) having neutral feedback removed as though it somehow becomes compulsory for one to remove or revise it as per to the liking of the one receiving it.

Question (and thread title):
"How much longer will JollyGood take to reverse his feedback?"

Answer:
"I will not remove it" (if that is what the OP means by reverse)

I have no idea why anybody would go to such lengths and such theatrics ...

This is just like a few years ago when various UID's created threads that I had left them *neutral* trust feedback and they ran with it encouraged by a minority of DT Trolls who rinse and repeat to bang their thin skinned drums and wiggle their bonny fingers. It will pass and as we've seen here, the OP is just one of many alts that are quickly exposed by many.

Next week they will find someone else to Troll and their throw away farmed account will be yesterday's news.

Another reason newbies shouldn't be allowed into some sections of the forum.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on May 14, 2023, 01:37:48 PM

Quote from: dbc23 on May 14, 2023, 01:26:17 PM

I wish coco23 will say something about this and why he choose to post the same BTC address I can't be defending something I know nothing about. I haven't sent a pm to such user neither have we exchanged anything before now. coco23 needs to come up to say why he chose to use my BTC address instead of his. If it will be possible we post our different locations on a particular day and time simultaneously or any other means that can prove it was a mistake on coco23 part.

And what about the Zilon account? You mentioned that you brought him to the forum, right? It is interesting that at that time, you (dbc23) were inactive on the forum for more than two years. Can you tell us more about that?

Thank you for bringing this up. Zilon registered October 07, 2020 back then I was taking a break from the forum in which I did my last post in 2018, I wanted registering with a brand new account but was asked to use this since it has been in the forum since 2017 when Zilon joined a signature campaign he encouraged me to pick up my account if you watch I am even less consistent because of my job, I was sceptical about it when I eventually did in 2021 I tried building back from scratch. If we check before then Zilon grew with speed, Zilon was more interested in Technical discussion in which I encouraged him to do more research before posting. I know little or nothing about technical discussion and I am not interested because it is full of technical jargons.

If you wish check Zilon's interest on the forum and check mine. We have our favourite boards and we don't share anything in common not even post pattern or choice of words. If for any reason Zilon and dbc23 is tagged as one account let it be based on content because that is the most concrete evidence to me. We only know ourselves and that is all..

Zilon should not pay for what he knows nothing about.

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