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Topic: alt coin markets looks more and more like a scam circus, how to save it - page 2. (Read 1545 times)

legendary
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i already stopped trading after 3 scam-coins one after another.. i've got small losses, don't really care about the money i lost, more important i lost all my trust in any ANN or new project.. this stop me to invest in any new interesting coin, i probably will not put any more money in this for a while

If you take the lesson that came with your lumps and apply the lesson to investing in the stock market, you'll wind up saving a lot of money over your lifetime.

The lesson in question is a personal one: namely, what your limitations are. I found out the hard way here - and I found out the hard way on the penny stock market  Embarrassed - that I'm a lousy day trader. So I have to handicap the long term, buy, hold, wait, and find something to do with myself while I'm waiting. Here as well as there.

I also had to learn the hard way - here as well as on the penny stock market  Embarrassed  Embarrassed - that I get undisciplined and impatient even when I'm holding on for the longer term. I threw away more than 15 million Reddcoin at 6 satoshis - right at the start of its current run into double digits. Just like - because I was meek on the phone with my discount broker, strangely enough - I threw away a $100,000 profit on a turnaround stock by failing to order it up in illiquid certificate form in the dark days of early 2009. Had I held on as I vowed to until the end of 2010, and waited the six-or-so-weeks for it to be credited to my account, I would have had six figures. But the broker, after telling me about that six-week delay, explicitly advised me against going through with my order for a physical certificate. And at that point, I acted like an agreeable fellow and chickened out.

I ended up selling it for a teeny profit and went chasing after sometime else. Chasing after yet another shiny object...  Embarrassed 

So I've ben a slow learner in two ways. I've had to learn the hard way what my limitations are, and I've also had to learn - the hard way - how to play within my limitations skilfully. Both have involved taking a lot of lumps, although thankfully for me my biggest "losses" have been thrown-away profits.

To wrap up me talking about myself Wink , I suggest you regard the losses you've taken as a disguised lesson showing you your own limitations. Once you figure out what they are, and once you take any further lumps learning to play within those limits skillfully, you will have a hard-won skill set that - once you make it in the "real world" - will save you tens of thousands of dollars - and maybe more - over the course of your investing lifetime on the stock market.

One more thing: don't kid yourself about the woes you're facing resulting solely from cryptos being "unregulated." I've had enough experience in the quite regulated stock market to notice that the trading lunges there are strikingly similar to the mania-arc here. Truth be told, regulations only limn the ways in which you can decimate your portfolio. They do rule some ways as no longer in bounds, but they always leave other ways. That's because, at bottom, our biggest enemy as speculators is our own weaknesses.

And that can never be regulated away - only outlawed outright via prior restraint. Sorry to disillusion anyone, but that's the way it is.   
member
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We had a lot of fair coins mostly until end 2013. Get back to basics is the only way to end this circus that harms all of us.
hero member
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Merit: 509
This scene has had solid coin options for years. People chase get rich quick scams and get burnt. The coins being released are a reflection of the majority here, and they keep getting released because they work.

Agreed. People aren't taking enough responsibility themselves. Way too often people buy up some new coin that has a ton of red flags, then wonder why they have been scammed. For the OP, I am curious, what three coins did you invest in that were scams?

And that said, we do need better exchanges too. If they list a coin with a hidden premine/shady code, people should learn the lesson and not automatically invest in every new coin released. That trading method did work at Bittrex for a while, although I never bothered with it ... it seemed each new coin saw a rise at a certain point. It doesn't work so well now though.

The requirements for a good exchange sound nice, but I don't see them all being met. Devs aren't going to give up their identities (although for all ICOs run on exchanges, they should), and I wouldn't expect an exchange to always wait months to list a new coin. But how about a week or two? There is no need to go right from ann to listing, simultaneously, especially if a dev promises grand things. Wait until the dev at least delivers something.


legendary
Activity: 1164
Merit: 1000
Einsteinium Foundation Board Member and Treasurer
find 2-3 coins that are older than a month, with active devs and a good community.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1000
This scene has had solid coin options for years. People chase get rich quick scams and get burnt. The coins being released are a reflection of the majority here, and they keep getting released because they work.
newbie
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Merit: 0
i think it's time to collect some ideas how to stop this scene-collective-suicide happening right now in alt coin markets

the point is: there are too many scams

too many scams lead to a complete abandon of exchanges by traders, less trust in bitcoin in general and a collective discontent for the constant losses of money and trust

i already stopped trading after 3 scam-coins one after another.. i've got small losses, don't really care about the money i lost, more important i lost all my trust in any ANN or new project.. this stop me to invest in any new interesting coin, i probably will not put any more money in this for a while

what we can actively do to stop this massacre?

- we need a professional alt coin exchange

i used mintpal till beginning, it has a great interface (and poor graphs), for a while acted professionally then the greed start eating their souls and basically adding all that shit-coins (isis?!?? lol) turned out to be a quite fast suicide

how to define a professional exchange?

- adding coin with serious intentions and projects, real world implementations etc. with at least few months of life

- give rich infos of every coin listed, with developers details and contacts, coin specs details, whitepaper, history and graphs.. is not that difficult to dedicate a single page to each coin with all the juicy details

- requests based on btc donations / votings should be ignored

more ideas?
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