Topic: Altcoin4life - HACKED ACCOUNT - Collateral 4 Murderouskirk - Swingdev - ADVICE? (Read 1417 times)

Thank you The Pharmacist  I appreciate the support.

I agree with this x1000.  I do hope swingdev gets his stolen account back with no hassle.   It is rightfully his.

I have made my own scam accusation thread. Please close this one and consolidate the multiple threads open on this topic.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13700602

Like I said. I don't think Altcoin4life had any malicious intent. I just felt the need to explain my reasoning behind not buying my stolen property back from whoever ended up with it after scam hot potato got played. It just makes me a target for future theft among all the other reasons I've stated.

I've been conversing for the past 10 days with Altcoin4Life. I've had enough and I feel I've made my position clear. If he wants to be kind hearted and help that's great. If he wants to hold my account and try to get me to pay for his loss, then my account will hopefully die peacefully in his hands unless Theymos steps in. That's all there is to it.

I did not take out a loan on my account with Altcoin4life. It is not my responsibility to pay off the loan to get my account back as if I did. If he returns the stolen account to the proper owner (me), I will consider tipping him to help cover his loss out of thanks, not by demand.

Demanding I buy my stolen goods back before having them returned is not ok in my book and will not be rewarded and encouraged.


Now if you want to push blame on me in an attempt to get me to pay him, then point the finger at me when i hold my ground, so be it Duomo. But that doesn't change anything here.

Look, whether or not the lender pays you is not up to me and nor do I care because it isn't my account or my issue. I am just stating my opinion as the original poster has asked. Just to make this established, the individual took this account unknowingly, there was no criminal intent to scam or cause harm which you try to make it seem. If you start having a conservation with Altcoin4Life, maybe you will find a useful resolution, not by arguing whether you were in the right or wrong. 

Like what? So far all you've come at me with is that I should have secured my account better and therefore must pay Altcoin4Life.

What makes you so sure I didn't have a long complex password?

Please, do tell how you have this miraculous insight into the vulnerabilities that my account had.

And why is it that you're pushing so hard to find reasons for me to pay Altcoin4Life?

Thanks, I like finding inconsistencies and holes in your story which don't add up. 

Have a nice day and good-luck. 

TIL Duomo uses on-screen keyboard for all text entry (including passwords).

Good for you man. That's a good habit to have. 

Not if you legitimately know what are genuine webpages that you regularly visit and the emails you receive. Also with the issue of being key-logged, how would you get key-logged if you input all the text (including your passwords) on the on-screen keyboard? Just admit you properly didn't secure your account and your just trying to find arguments that your account wasn't properly secured and your just trying to shift what is partially your fault.

Both of those have equal security when being phished or keylogged. 1 is stronger than 2 yes, but the account is still vulnerable to any half decent hacker. Who brute forces passwords these days? Plus, does this forum have capatcha or lockouts on failed logins? Either would render brute forcing pretty useless. If those are not features on this site that's just even more sad.

And thanks! I appreciate the well wishes.

Did you just legitimately ask what is the difference between theses two passwords in securing an account without 2FA?

Password 1: Apple1234

Password 2: XmKY;ua+<:J!L3+P]c5Cs-Gnw

What password is harder to hack and brute-force.

It is partially your fault to begin with.

Have a nice day.

Ps. Good luck getting your account back.  

Almost correct

I can either
A. Wait for Theymos to give you a reply but extremely highly unlikely .
B. Cross my fingers that Altcoins4life does the decent thing and gives my account back.
C. Take it as loss and move on.

Also Duomo could you please give me a lesson in proper account security? What makes one unique password more secure than another when this site doesn't allow 2fa?

Side note, if anyone wants to follow the full conversation on this topic here's all the links I can find:

In my Swing altcoin thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13580743

In lending: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/altcoin4life-hacked-account-collateral-4-murderouskirk-swingdev-advice-1341677
In Scam Accusations: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13683665
In Meta: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13683675

So unfortunately heres what I think the situation is. You can either A. Wait for Theymos to give you a reply but extremely highly unlikely . B. Negotiate with Altcoins4life to give your account back or agree on a specified amount. C. Take it as loss and move on.

Just to be aware, you should of properly secured that account with a strong password because if it wasn't stolen or hacked, you wouldn't of had this dilemma in the first place. Proper security of that account was your responsibility and that you can not deny. 

Thanks for the input! This is the way I see it too.

If Victim A gets his car stolen by thief B, then B sells it to victim C, it's still Victim A's car and A does not carry the debt of the illegal sale, regardless of if C knew it was stolen.

If victim C returns the car to A once he realizes, he's likely to gain credibility, reputation, and probably a tip from it.

Now if victim C tries to sell it to victim A to cover his loss once he realizes it's stolen property, and refuses to give it back unless A ponies up for his loss, that's still trying to sell stolen property and is not ok on C's part. C is taking similar actions as B at this point. At no point does A incur C's debt. In this scenario C loses credibility and A crosses his fingers that C changes his mind or the cops (admins) come solve the dispute.

So yeah, I'm not going to be convinced into buying my stolen property back, especially when I know who has ownership and can take responsibility for any malicious changes in the account from this point on.

If he returns it I will, as I've stated a few times, leave him a positive credibility review and tip him for is troubles should my portfolio grow in the future.


You can easily tell if an account is stolen or at risk of being hot as a lender. Altcoin4life was supposed to check for an aged digital signature to prove it was not stolen. He failed to do this and as a result accidentally purchased a stolen developer / hero account.

Also I hate to say it as I don't think Altcoin4life would do this, but I'm not going to be pressured by the community into paying him for another simple reason. The guy is in the business of giving loans on aged accounts. Any defaulted loan adds a semi reputable account to his possession. Anyone trying to pressure me into paying him before returning it after he reached out to the community for suggestions could be him on an alt. Not no mention the quickest way to "wash" a stolen account and sell it back to the owner is by publicly selling it to your lending account. Again I do not think Altcoin4life has done any of this but as a matter of principle I'm not going to let this possibility come to a clean end.

Again. That doesn't seem to be happening here. I think Altcoin4life is too credible and self respecting for that. But having been scammed myself before and targeted repeatedly just for being a coin dev I've learned to consider these things.

Why does Altcoin4life have to return the account voluntarily unless requested from a moderator or administrator? Is that the morally right thing to do? Yes, how does someone take collateral with the assumption it is stolen? From now on, should every account be assumed to be stolen and not taken if the lender defaults? Still a sum of money was defaulted and the lender should recover some of it to be fair.

Nope, if something is stolen and then sold off (or in this case given away/taken collateral), it stays property of the original owner, as the thief didn't have the right to give it away in any case.
Altcoin4life isn't the rightful owner, SwingDev proved to be.

Hi Swingdev

Thanks for your reply

I will let you know as i am thinking how i should proceed.

Cheers
Altcoin4life

Also SwingDev has provided a signed message in the other thread.

@Altcoin4life: Why are you creating multiple threads about this issue? It really scatters the information.

I'm quite sure SwingDev does own the account since I was one of the first persons to about to get scammed by murderiouskirk.You can easily make out from the post quality comparing first 2 pages and the aged ones.SwingDev seems to be a programmer ,I had told the same to mexxer in a private message that the old account owner was a Programmer.I think its Altcoin4life's fault for lending money to someone who already had accusations against him and you had been warned by mexxer to not trade with him.I hope the account is given back to SwingDev.

There is no kindness here, throw that idea out of your head. If you provide something for an obligation or someone provides something that you should of had somewhat knowledge of occurring, you are partially responsible. If your account was stolen, it was taken, provided a loan for and taken for collateral. You have nothing you can do besides that you were the original owner and you failed to maintain it. The lender made the assumption that the original owner was behind the control of the account. Either way, if you want it back, you should purchase it back whether for full price or for half price if Altcoin4life wishes too. The account is now the property of Altcoin4life and it is justified.