Whoever uses it in context and to good effect first - the grow up / dash is a scam debate; or the second tier no its an overlay debate - gets 100 SPR.
Topic: Altcoins With A Second Tier / Overlay Network eg Masternodes (Read 2621 times)
One of my all time favourite memes':
Whoever uses it in context and to good effect first - the grow up / dash is a scam debate; or the second tier no its an overlay debate - gets 100 SPR.
Whoever uses it in context and to good effect first - the grow up / dash is a scam debate; or the second tier no its an overlay debate - gets 100 SPR.
Yep he built an instamine scam with presumably ongoing scam via controlling most of the coin supply
...and even on that aspect of it I'm more of an authority than you thanks since I'm supposed to be one of the victims.
Who recovers by shrilling (pumping a presumably ongoing scam) to greater fools.
I was writing about technological design and marketing skills for scaling adoption, which clearly my resume is INFINITELY (any number divided by 0) superior to Evan's
LoL ! I think I'll rest my case with that remark. You can dig your own holes without further help from me.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13752781
Don't be stupid.
Not exactly a compelling argument but one which brings our exchange to an end. A rapid descent into offensiveness reveals the amount of cognitive bias you are labouring under, I do not wish to distress you further.
Cheers
Graham
Yep he built an instamine scam with presumably ongoing scam via controlling most of the coin supply
...and even on that aspect of it I'm more of an authority than you thanks since I'm supposed to be one of the victims.
I was writing about design and marketing skills for scaling adoption, which clearly my resume is INFINITELY (any number divided by 0) superior to Evan's
LoL ! I think I'll rest my case with that remark. You can dig your own holes without further help from me.
He built something and you didn't. So forgive me if I consider him more of an authority on what works than you.
Yep he built an instamine scam with presumably ongoing scam via controlling most of the coin supply, masternodes, and float.
Yep he is more of an authority than me on scams that work.
I was writing about technological design and marketing skills for scaling adoption, which clearly my resume is INFINITELY (any number divided by 0) superior to Evan's (the dude has absolutely 0 experience in scaling internet s/w to the masses). My CoolPage s/w (one man company!) scaled to 335,000 websites created as verified by altavista. And over 1+ million downloads (probably much higher in the realm of 5 million but I never tried to estimate it) when the internet population was 1/10 of its current size.
If you want to compare design and meager career accomplishments of myself to Evan, my LinkedIn is public.
I'm aware of that thanks, which is why I suggested you stop behaving like an ass*hole technical trainspotter on here and start growing up.
He built something and you didn't. So forgive me if I consider him more of an authority on what works than you.
There are plenty of people around who can hoover up scholarly credentials like second hand cars and I've met enough of them to know that as far as technical qualifications and sense go, the former is in more abundance than the latter.
There is no relevant definition appearing in the search results, even without the “incentivized”
Don't be stupid. The word "tier" is not a formal definition of anything. It is a descriptive term used to convey the concept of a succession of processing stages.
Terminology is all over the place (thanks to eduffield), afaict the most general term is ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlay_network
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlay_network
There's nothing wrong with the terminology, it's perfectly fine.
No it's not.
https://www.dash.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Dash-WhitepaperV1.pdf
“two-tier incentivized network, known as the Masternode network”
There is no relevant definition appearing in the search results, even without the “incentivized”:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=two%C2%AD+tier+network&ia=about
(I'm prepared to draw a discreet veil over the term “Masternode network”, the less said about it the better)
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An "overlay network" is a completely different thing - a distinct infrastructure for whom the subordinate ones may even be transparent. TCP/IP doesn't understand or care about analogue voice signals. VOPI doesn't understand packets etc.
I'm not sure why you provide a selective description that differs from the one given in the wikipedia entry, it doesn't advance your argument.
Cheers
Graham
Except that it is neato technobabble that doesn't speak to the fundamental design flaws and Sybil attacked (given the insiders own most of the coins) masternode economics in Dash-o-scam.
You seem to think you know a lot about technical design concepts but be advised that you come across as a kind of immature 12 year old that developed an obsession for university math but didn't know what to do with it.
It you want to be taken seriously as a designer than I suggest you start behaving like one instead of an overgrown kid collector of bubblegum cards.
If you want to compare design and meager career accomplishments of myself to Evan, my LinkedIn is public. (photo was taken January 2015 at age 49.5)
As for your opinion of my skills, I blithely don't care and I recommend to myself a proactive stance of not giving a rat's ass of caring about your opinion of me. Because your opinion is irrelevant to the tasks and goals in front of me. I only have to care about my health and my production.
Should I bother to state that you come across as a person who has an attachment to a scam that has piss poor design fundamentals, and thus you lack discernment. So why should I care what you discern about me. Clearly your appraisals are consistently incorrect.
Note I am not even saying that all the programmers of Dash are incapable. I am saying it is all allegedly based around a scam, so if the allegations are true (and some convincing evidence has been presented) then it is impossible for them to make the design such that it would destroy the scam aspects such as we can presume the insiders continue to collect ROI from running most of the masternodes since they stole most of the coins in the instamine they tried to hide from the public or blame on a programming error and subsequent elimination of the future emission that was originally promised (so the insiders wouldn't be diluted and control the float buying from themselves on the exchanges to artificially inflate the price and market cap fooling speculators into putting their money into Dash which the insiders take out of Dash).
If that was even a model that could scale and help the world, I might even look the other way regarding the alleged insider manipulations. The issue for me is Dash-o-scam hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of ever attaining any real usership, so that for me is a failure for our goals for crypto currency. I am particularly perturbed by the audacity of Evan to prepromote Evolution as some phenomenal technological breakthrough when he can't change the underlying masternode scam. And he doesn't share any of his research in public for peer review (as I do!) so he can't possibly get his design correct without our peer review. I pointed out a high school error in his math in the InstantX white paper.
You Dash shills (insiders) will continue to make nonsense rebuttals and I don't have time for it. Go ahead, but your days are numbered.
Except that it is neato technobabble that doesn't speak to the fundamental design flaws and Sybil attacked (given the insiders own most of the coins) masternode economics in Dash-o-scam.
You seem to think you know a lot about technical design concepts but be advised that you come across as a kind of immature 12 year old that developed an obsession for university math but didn't know what to do with it.
It you want to be taken seriously as a designer than I suggest you start behaving like one instead of an overgrown kid collector of bubblegum cards.
Terminology is all over the place (thanks to eduffield), afaict the most general term is ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlay_network
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlay_network
There's nothing wrong with the terminology, it's perfectly fine.
Except that it is neato technobabble that doesn't speak to the fundamental design flaws and Sybil attacked (given the insiders own most of the coins) masternode economics in Dash-o-scam.
... I'll publish as complete a list as I can assemble (at least for those alts which still have accessible code repositories).
Are you using the GenesisExtractor?
https://github.com/servicenodes/genesisextractor
No, I'm simply passing the listing of src/qt/forms through grep for *node.ui and filtering the results by eye.
The above is a first approximation anyway - the listing is stashed in the db so I can refine the pattern-matching.
Some additional filtering of the contents of src/qt/forms allows some basic “feature detection” inferences, the uncontentious blockbrowser.ui suggests, well - (the code for) the GUI includes a block explorer page.
Which, when iteratively applied, leads to the beginnings of a feature list for (initially) the top 250 marketcap PoS coins:
https://minkiz.co/coin/cmcap-pos
In the context of the data extracted by the genesisextractor, I have an interest in recording the pchMessageStart string as part of the DOACC metadata, I'm keen to start using my expanded version of Melvin Carvalho's CCY technical cryptocurrency ontology which has relations for modelling exactly these technical aspects of a cryptocurrency and so the whole lot can be published as open source in RDF, amenable to SPARQL querying.
So I also developed some patterns to extract pchMessageStart strings, p2p and rpc ports, genesis block hash, merkle root hash, nonce, ntime, nbits and the various key variables. Of course, that's just what's in the default repos and, as I remind myself constantly, the map is not the territory so I'm not entirely sure that the results can be of much use with the genesisextractor other than an informal cross-check, if that.
But, with respect to pchMessageStart strings (aka “magicbytes”), the existence of duplicates has been known for a while (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2122560) but I hadn't been able to sense of the overall picture until I was able process them.
The tabular listing (at the above link) includes the extracted pchMessageStart string. Unique values are printed in white, duplicates are grouped by colour.
I'm working on the PoW version.
Cheers
Graham
List of altcoins using a second tier such as Masternodes, by market cap
...
Bitcoin
...
Let me know of any others.
...
Bitcoin
...
Let me know of any others.
Spurious inclusion or inside knowledge?
I have an interest in creating such list (because DOACC). I'll publish as complete a list as I can assemble (at least for those alts which still have accessible code repositories).
Cheers
Graham
Are you using the GenesisExtractor?
https://github.com/servicenodes/genesisextractor
Terminology is all over the place (thanks to eduffield), afaict the most general term is ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlay_network
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlay_network
There's nothing wrong with the terminology, it's perfectly fine.
The Dash network comprises network nodes running exactly the same software but some of which have a flag set which allows them to operate in a complimentary role. The nodes are on the same network, understanding the same protocol, it's just that their roles are diversified. They are therefore adequately described as "tiered" in logic terms. (Other established examples include database application networks where the 'nodes' functionality is diversified into complimentary tiers to achieve a common end).
An "overlay network" is a completely different thing - a distinct infrastructure for whom the subordinate ones may even be transparent. TCP/IP doesn't understand or care about analogue voice signals. VOPI doesn't understand packets etc.
However good Evan is I tend to think all the suspect looking stuff will come back to haunt Dash if it ever tries to go mainstream
I wouldn't worry about it ever trying. The game is mine the speculators with images of soda machines decorated with Photoshopped Dash logos and other polymath achievements.
Edit: note Evan has other programmers working with him, so I don't know if we can attribute all of Dash's development to Evan.
This ad has been brought to you by TPTB and his vapor project.
The ad has been brought to you by a Vanillacoin (the plagiarist, anonymous developer "JohnConner" coin) shill.
What am I advertising? There is nothing for speculators to buy from me.
However good Evan is I tend to think all the suspect looking stuff will come back to haunt Dash if it ever tries to go mainstream
I wouldn't worry about it ever trying. The game is mine the speculators with images of soda machines decorated with Photoshopped Dash logos and other polymath achievements.
Edit: note Evan has other programmers working with him, so I don't know if we can attribute all of Dash's development to Evan.
This ad has been brought to you by TPTB and his vapor project.
What do you mean by a 2nd tier exactly? And what does this 2nd tier really do?
Terminology is all over the place (thanks to eduffield), afaict the most general term is ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlay_network
Cheers
Graham
As i understand it, any p2p network is an overlay network and the term is generally used to describe how different networks fit together.
Multi-tier in p2p nomenclature is referring to a 3rd generation P2P network architecture where a greater responsibility is assigned to more capable peers.
e.g. in p2p communications https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10983/what-are-p2p-communications
e.g. in p2p file sharing http://www.igi-global.com/dictionary/third-generation-p2p-systems/30024
I'll publish as complete a list as I can assemble (at least for those alts which still have accessible code repositories).
I'll beg forgiveness for an unedited list ...
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The list uses just the uuid4 part of the coin's DOACC id, resolve with:
https://minkiz.co/resource/Cryptocurrency/Did <- note the “D” prefix
e.g. https://minkiz.co/resource/Cryptocurrency/Ded94998c-b1d2-4938-8716-bfd24df297e3
I'll add a proper rendering on Minkiz in a day or two.
Cheers
Graham
However good Evan is I tend to think all the suspect looking stuff will come back to haunt Dash if it ever tries to go mainstream
I wouldn't worry about it ever trying. The game is mine the speculators with images of soda machines decorated with Photoshopped Dash logos and other polymath achievements.
Edit: note Evan has other programmers working with him, so I don't know if we can attribute all of Dash's development to Evan.
What do you mean by a 2nd tier exactly? And what does this 2nd tier really do?
Terminology is all over the place (thanks to eduffield), afaict the most general term is ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlay_network
Cheers
Graham
Hi Graham,
So I looked into it. First of all, Evan is a genius. I love all the things that he is doing on Dash. By 2nd tier on Dash, it is the masternodes that are servicing APIs and special services.
The problem is that Dash started out as a fork of Bitcoin and Bitcoin code is shit for things like APIs so Evan built a network on top of it, which was great and something that nobody else has done in crypto, seriously. In Bitcoin Coinbase has its own API, Bitpay has its own API, Blockchain.info has its own API and each small business building on Bitcoin just chooses one and it can't play well with any other company using a different API. Evan is building a universal API so that people can connect to Masternodes for some of the transactions on Dash. So now any company wanting to build on Dash can play with other companies. As far as Bitcoin typish coins go, that is awesome and a huge improvement. To fund the masternodes though, to access those APIs small fees have to be paid to the masternodes.
But.... NEM has a new architecture built from scratch which took care of this problem. In NEM ALL wallets are light all the time and any wallet can access any node for any transaction safely and securely. All API calls are also free, always.
Let me just say NEM just didn't fix the API issue but a slew of other problems from the very first block. It has addressed other issues with centralization of mining, making a 2.0 multisig that just works how you think (again with APIs and not Coinbase using their version and Blockchain.info using a diffrent one) with a lot more utility. NEM also has names as domains 3 levels deep, assets that are highly configurable by so many criterion, messages on chain in normal, encrypted, and hex formats, a node reputation system to make sure only honest nodes are listened to, spam protection and so much more.
Dont the Miners pay the Fee for the Masternodes by sharing some % of the blockreward... Those Nodes get payed even if they do nothing....
Readers after puking up your coffee too, I suggest framing this statement and hanging it on the wall, as a reminder when looking back some year or two from now and see how this turned out.
I guess it takes one to know one.
(never mind the well documented premine and reduction of the future coin supply fraud Evan is alleged to have done, just focus on your claim of his polymath abilities)
However good Evan is I tend to think all the suspect looking stuff will come back to haunt Dash if it ever tries to go mainstream First of all, Evan is a genius.
I guess it takes one to know one.
(never mind the well documented premine and reduction of the future coin supply fraud Evan is alleged to have done, just focus on your claim of his polymath abilities)
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