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Quote from: seuntjie on June 29, 2016, 06:03:38 AM

You can check out https://bot.seuntjie.com/BettingSystem.aspx for a few alternative betting systems and how they work.

Just a quick note: No betting system will profit indefinitely, You will always lose in the end. No bot/system should ever be used to try to make profit, it should only be seen as a way of making gambling more fun and interesting.

yes perfectly stated, no bot or system can win the house for a long period of time it is just added to take some opportunity the system of taking control of yourselg knowing how to stop can be your techniques to win from it, little earnings might be enough so even you are still using martin fails if you already won atleast 10% of your exact capital should be enough on that day and quit.

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You can check out https://bot.seuntjie.com/BettingSystem.aspx for a few alternative betting systems and how they work.

Just a quick note: No betting system will profit indefinitely, You will always lose in the end. No bot/system should ever be used to try to make profit, it should only be seen as a way of making gambling more fun and interesting.

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Quote from: nikrobi on June 06, 2016, 01:45:34 PM

I sometimes use this one: 90% chance, no increase bet on loss. Count each loss, after some time, change strategy to 52% chance, 72% or any other strategy and try to get back the red losses with the first strategy.

Example: bet 1000 (90%):
+100
+100
-1000
+100
-1000
-1000 So, you need to earn 3000 sat with another strategy. After you do it, back to the 90% again.

This way you don't need to expose yourself all the time with Martingale.
(Not 100% guaranteed anyway).

Oh your strats like mine, i used 90% first and then if lose, i change it to 49.95%, (but this was already long time ago), i wont recommend using this strat for long run, you'll get long streak loses when you're trying to recover.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

I have a few scripts me and a friend made like 9 months back that works on dicebot if anyone wants fresh ideas. Code is pretty straightforward, so its easy to check for any shenanigans, and I could explain what most of the functions/conditions are/do for someone completely new to dicebot.. doublegreen, tripplegreen, extended martingale etc.. though, none of them really work, tested them out a long time ago Grin

just like what I know this method really doesn't work still luck will win you up with dice, as a update on this I played most of the time with yobit almost familiar with the game and I already earn max of 10% of my capital then stop, in that way atleast even in small amount I earn hahaha, but seriously even any strategy dice house always win in the long term.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

It doesn't matter which way around you do it. Its still going to fail eventually.

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Quote from: nikrobi on June 06, 2016, 01:45:34 PM

I sometimes use this one: 90% chance, no increase bet on loss. Count each loss, after some time, change strategy to 52% chance, 72% or any other strategy and try to get back the red losses with the first strategy.

Example: bet 1000 (90%):
+100
+100
-1000
+100
-1000
-1000 So, you need to earn 3000 sat with another strategy. After you do it, back to the 90% again.

This way you don't need to expose yourself all the time with Martingale.
(Not 100% guaranteed anyway).

I dont think it is a good method. Although 90% is quite a good chance to win most of the time, when you happen to lose one round, you will need to play a lot of rounds to cover back the loss and the chance of it happening to be a lose is quite high with so many bets.

Yes, but you cover back the red rolls with another method (more dangerous) and back to the 90% again. The purpose is just to expose yourself less time to the martingale strategy.

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Quote from: nikrobi on June 06, 2016, 01:45:34 PM

I sometimes use this one: 90% chance, no increase bet on loss. Count each loss, after some time, change strategy to 52% chance, 72% or any other strategy and try to get back the red losses with the first strategy.

Example: bet 1000 (90%):
+100
+100
-1000
+100
-1000
-1000 So, you need to earn 3000 sat with another strategy. After you do it, back to the 90% again.

This way you don't need to expose yourself all the time with Martingale.
(Not 100% guaranteed anyway).

I dont think it is a good method. Although 90% is quite a good chance to win most of the time, when you happen to lose one round, you will need to play a lot of rounds to cover back the loss and the chance of it happening to be a lose is quite high with so many bets.

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I sometimes use this one: 90% chance, no increase bet on loss. Count each loss, after some time, change strategy to 52% chance, 72% or any other strategy and try to get back the red losses with the first strategy.

Example: bet 1000 (90%):
+100
+100
-1000
+100
-1000
-1000 So, you need to earn 3000 sat with another strategy. After you do it, back to the 90% again.

This way you don't need to expose yourself all the time with Martingale.
(Not 100% guaranteed anyway).

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Quote from: el kaka22 on June 05, 2016, 09:38:31 AM

The best strategy or way to win in dice is play at very low odds and keep on playing you win just 1 bet and all the previous losses get covered ! I have tried and won some nice amount with this just from faucet earning.

Honestly its hard to make a profit in dice game even you are starting small odds it will still ended to lose.. i am experience of any other methods but never succes to make a profit..

yes it's true there is always be a chance to lost your money because i have been trying betting several ago with small odds but i was lost 6 times in a row and i guess for gambling online games if house didn't let you win and you will never get it and always be lost as many people has says the house always be win

The house always win this is a fact we can't reject the statement and the house never let you win, sorry especially in dice game its same like you threw your money to the road. i think hit and run the only way can beat dice game site after you win some money just withdraw it and back it again tomorow with new id and new ip, sometimes my way working good.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

It wont work as such basically the math will tell you so, you dont need our opinion. I do like using various martingale mash ups though like setting the dice to 90% win chance and then x10 the bet size if you lose. If you can get a bankroll that can take 3 losses on that system its pretty solid to keep playing for a while usually. Its all luck though.

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Quote from: Fatanut on June 03, 2016, 07:49:55 AM

You could try reverse martingale (this is what I think it's called). Instead of doubling your bet whenever you lose, you double your bet whenever you win. On lose, you'll go back to your base bet.

Let's assume that you've won 8 times in a row and the base bet was 1000 bits.

1000 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 256,000 bits. Your profit grows exponentially. It's not necessary that you stop when you've won 8 times straight, you can stop whenever you want. The more streaks, the more profit you'll get. I used to do this in BustaBit but I usually do it in a lower multiplier so the chances of having a winning streak is more than when the multiplier is at 2x. I don't actually advice this to gambling sites in which you can get a lot of loss. If you don't think the site you're playing in doesn't make you win in streak, then don't do this method.

This may be the only strategy I've heard of dumber than regular martingale.

So you double your bet on every win, how do you take a profit?

Start with 10 bets

Bet 1 win, next round bet 2, lose you have 9 left.

Bet 1 win, bet 2, win bet 4, lose, you have 9 left

So now instead you end up -1 unless you win enough in a row to hit the max bet?

The player is supposed to stop after getting X wins in a row. So the player will lose 1 unit again and again, until he hits a long enough winning streak that gives him a huge profit and he stops. It is the reason why the method is called reverse martingale. In comparison, for martingale, the player will win 1 unit again and again, until he hits a long enough losing streak that gives him a huge loss and he has to stop.
But of course, both martingale and reverse martingale do not work in the long run and the EV is always negative.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on June 05, 2016, 09:38:31 AM

The best strategy or way to win in dice is play at very low odds and keep on playing you win just 1 bet and all the previous losses get covered ! I have tried and won some nice amount with this just from faucet earning.

Honestly its hard to make a profit in dice game even you are starting small odds it will still ended to lose.. i am experience of any other methods but never succes to make a profit..

yes it's true there is always be a chance to lost your money because i have been trying betting several ago with small odds but i was lost 6 times in a row and i guess for gambling online games if house didn't let you win and you will never get it and always be lost as many people has says the house always be win

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

Yeah, I love reverse martingale. At least you are not hoping to win playing like that, so you won't invest a lot of money in the game. You might win also once in a while. I've won with reverse martingale couple if times, but of course I lost much more.

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Quote from: bitbollo on June 04, 2016, 04:23:55 PM

another good money management alternative is called masaniello method.
https://www.betplanning.it/metodi/money-management/metodo-masaniello-online-strategia-di-money-management
here an explanation (but it's in italian language so sorry for who couldn't understand)

Hi, my name is Luigi and I'm new on this forum.
I know they are working on English version of the software and will be online soon. I long time use their method because I won one of their contests. Now in their facebook page are offering the "masaniello" free on the occasion of Euro 2016 championship. Certainly the prediction is important, but having a moneymanagement strategy is essential in betting.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

All In is an alternative method

Sure, you could try all in, but it is risky, and will not last as long as martingale. This strategy can possibly pay off well, but you could lose everything. I wouldn't say that this is a good alternative.

Quote from: el kaka22 on June 05, 2016, 09:38:31 AM

The best strategy or way to win in dice is play at very low odds and keep on playing you win just 1 bet and all the previous losses get covered ! I have tried and won some nice amount with this just from faucet earning./quote]I have tried this before but unfortunately it doesnt work on me. We had opposite way of betting. I love betting on a higher multiplier with low bet.

This could possibly work in the short term, but in the long term all strategies used on sites with a house edge will just turn to luck. You may be lucky now, but the odds might change later; try playing a game without a house edge.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on June 05, 2016, 09:38:31 AM

The best strategy or way to win in dice is play at very low odds and keep on playing you win just 1 bet and all the previous losses get covered ! I have tried and won some nice amount with this just from faucet earning.

I have tried this before but unfortunately it doesnt work on me. We had opposite way of betting. I love betting on a higher multiplier with low bet.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

You can't beat the house. These kind of strategies can be fun to try out but they do not give an advantage. IN the long term house always win, though you could profit in the short term.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on June 05, 2016, 09:38:31 AM

The best strategy or way to win in dice is play at very low odds and keep on playing you win just 1 bet and all the previous losses get covered ! I have tried and won some nice amount with this just from faucet earning.

Honestly its hard to make a profit in dice game even you are starting small odds it will still ended to lose.. i am experience of any other methods but never succes to make a profit..

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Quote from: el kaka22 on June 05, 2016, 09:38:31 AM

The best strategy or way to win in dice is play at very low odds and keep on playing you win just 1 bet and all the previous losses get covered ! I have tried and won some nice amount with this just from faucet earning.

good job for you mate if you are winning for small amount of bet but i think you
needed also to know when to stop and keep your profit, martingale always fail'
you in the long run so better keep away from this method.

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The best strategy or way to win in dice is play at very low odds and keep on playing you win just 1 bet and all the previous losses get covered ! I have tried and won some nice amount with this just from faucet earning.

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Already tried the martingale with different settings 4 hours ago but lose.. also tried reverse martingale but result lose again in primedice and fastdice..
I think its always depends in your bankroll if you can make a good profit.. or depends in our luck..

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this martingale always went out to nothing but if you are satisfied with some winnings you can stop after after hitting big wins.
but in the long run always remember that no one can win the house edge.

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it think martingale itself can be changed a lot that there is not really any need for another method.
unless it is better , because martingale method is not exactly a good method of gambling it requries a lot of money in the bankroll to help you win and be successful.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

reverse martingale works the same way as normal martingale so the risk factor is identical and therefore profit and loss is also almost same. A good alternative to martingale is d'alembert or maybe paroli.

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Martingale is a nice method and style of your roll, however If you only have a large sum of capital you can always start at 0.0005 and everytime you earn a profit of let's say 0.01 withdraw it. just an opinion.

While thats not what the thread is about, but that is essentially what martingale is. And a base bet of 0.0005 isn't considered good specially because you will probably bust much sooner. People who start with even 0.00005 BTC usually bust bank rolls as large as 0.5-1BTC really fast.

Yes I admit I'm not emphasizing for the alternatives of martingale, I just discover that martingale was one of the best playing style in terms of dice, and etcetera I remember that I won a sum of 0.002 BTC from 0.00000200. using that style. however yeah bust in the end just maintain your cool and we're good to go. Goodluck everyone.

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The only way to beat a computer gambling game is to hope that it was not programmed well and you somehow expose a strong bias. The martingale only works in the long run if your bankroll is infinite and the casino has no maximum bet.

I do not think you will win in the long-term bets bets even though the short-term will not be able to use martingale method. Only if you rely on luck might work Cheesy

You don't think you'll be able to earn from martingale if you have infinite bankroll and no max. bet? LOL. Grin

Made my day.

Actually, you would also have to be bestowed with immortality or be part of a team that will recruit and continue forever. Otherwise there is always the small chance that you hit a losing streak that lasts the rest of your natural life. Cheesy

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Quote from: adaseb on June 04, 2016, 02:15:03 PM

The only alternative for margingale is to do reverse martingale. Only double your bet when you win, when you lose you go back to your original bet.

That's not the only alternative. There are many more betting systems out there that claim to be profitable, although we all know that in the long run the house always wins, no matter what your strategy is.

For me the best strategy is just to follow your gut instinct. That way you have fun and there's no pain when losing.

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Quote from: Phildo on June 04, 2016, 07:05:34 PM

Here is the English version:

Make a bunch of bets with a negative expected value and then, as expected, lose your money.

I found a pdf in English that explains it better, but it seems that you really need to download a program from that italian site to input how much you want to bet and how many bets you want to make to generate the chart that you make.

It spits out something that looks like a times table, and then you move one way on the chart when you lose the bet and move the other way on the chart. The chart seems especially useless because (at least in this roulette version I found in english) suggest skipping spins at certain times, as if that makes any difference in the world.

Plus side compared to martingale (on this particular version I found) you only lose 21 unit if you lose 10 in a row compared to martingale where you would lose a lot more (in this version I found, anyway.)

It looks like there are some apps (also in italian) on google play if you have a droid and want to play around/mess with italian, but my guess would be that it's not that great if there's been no english language translation explanation over these years.

Thanks for this description. But from what you said I am a bit reluctant to believe that this method has any practical application other than boosting ego of gullible payers.
I guess it is another method which create fake sense of security that you are winning more than you are losing.

Yes.

The only strategy for winning at gambling is to make good bets. The only way to win via making bad bets is to be lucky, and there is no strategy for that. If you are playing dice, roulette, etc, don't worry about strategy, know that you are probably going to lose, and have fun.

If you are playing blackjack, poker, sports betting, learn how to make good bets (or make decisions that can be as close to good as possible) know that you are probably going to lose, and have fun.

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Quote from: bones261 on June 04, 2016, 07:29:08 PM

The only way to beat a computer gambling game is to hope that it was not programmed well and you somehow expose a strong bias. The martingale only works in the long run if your bankroll is infinite and the casino has no maximum bet.

I do not think you will win in the long-term bets bets even though the short-term will not be able to use martingale method. Only if you rely on luck might work Cheesy

You don't think you'll be able to earn from martingale if you have infinite bankroll and no max. bet? LOL. Grin

Made my day.

But in reality, nobody has an infinite bankroll and most gambling sites have maximum bets. You'll eventually encounter a losing streak that you've never expected to be that much streak. In the long run, you'll lose when you use martingale. You might earn some in the short run, but it's not that much considering how low your basebet should be even if you have a decent bankroll. Your bet increases exponentially so you have to bet really really low at first.

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Quote from: Phildo on June 04, 2016, 07:05:34 PM

Here is the English version:

Make a bunch of bets with a negative expected value and then, as expected, lose your money.

I found a pdf in English that explains it better, but it seems that you really need to download a program from that italian site to input how much you want to bet and how many bets you want to make to generate the chart that you make.

It spits out something that looks like a times table, and then you move one way on the chart when you lose the bet and move the other way on the chart. The chart seems especially useless because (at least in this roulette version I found in english) suggest skipping spins at certain times, as if that makes any difference in the world.

Plus side compared to martingale (on this particular version I found) you only lose 21 unit if you lose 10 in a row compared to martingale where you would lose a lot more (in this version I found, anyway.)

It looks like there are some apps (also in italian) on google play if you have a droid and want to play around/mess with italian, but my guess would be that it's not that great if there's been no english language translation explanation over these years.

Thanks for this description. But from what you said I am a bit reluctant to believe that this method has any practical application other than boosting ego of gullible payers.
I guess it is another method which create fake sense of security that you are winning more than you are losing.

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Quote from: bones261 on June 04, 2016, 07:29:08 PM

The only way to beat a computer gambling game is to hope that it was not programmed well and you somehow expose a strong bias. The martingale only works in the long run if your bankroll is infinite and the casino has no maximum bet.

I do not think you will win in the long-term bets bets even though the short-term will not be able to use martingale method. Only if you rely on luck might work Cheesy

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Quote from: adaseb on June 04, 2016, 02:15:03 PM

The only alternative for margingale is to do reverse martingale. Only double your bet when you win, when you lose you go back to your original bet.

And whats the point doubling your bet when you only win, for example in sports book this is not something to do, but you can double your bet with odds 2 and above after any loss, usually you will come out in profit many says so, but none has proved it so far, so martingale together reverse martingale are nothing to make us win.

Gambling is just a guessing game and most of the time results are based on luck either full or partial. So just try all these methods only sometimes to have fun but don't really spend lot of money to make profits out of it. It difficult to win always and nowadays most of the sports are fixed and made gamblers even difficult to guess the winner. No methods will work in the longer run.

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The only way to beat a computer gambling game is to hope that it was not programmed well and you somehow expose a strong bias. The martingale only works in the long run if your bankroll is infinite and the casino has no maximum bet.

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Quote from: bitbollo on June 04, 2016, 04:23:55 PM

another good money management alternative is called masaniello method.
https://www.betplanning.it/metodi/money-management/metodo-masaniello-online-strategia-di-money-management
here an explanation (but it's in italian language so sorry for who couldn't understand)

It is some kind of secret Italian method or something? I bet there is English version of this method somewhere?
I tried to read it but unfortunately my Italian speaking skill is like... non-existent.

I just want to add that all these strategies are only ways to manage your bets, bankroll and progress, they are not helping you achieve any more wins than you usually get.

Here is the English version:

Make a bunch of bets with a negative expected value and then, as expected, lose your money.

I found a pdf in English that explains it better, but it seems that you really need to download a program from that italian site to input how much you want to bet and how many bets you want to make to generate the chart that you make.

It spits out something that looks like a times table, and then you move one way on the chart when you lose the bet and move the other way on the chart. The chart seems especially useless because (at least in this roulette version I found in english) suggest skipping spins at certain times, as if that makes any difference in the world.

Plus side compared to martingale (on this particular version I found) you only lose 21 unit if you lose 10 in a row compared to martingale where you would lose a lot more (in this version I found, anyway.)

It looks like there are some apps (also in italian) on google play if you have a droid and want to play around/mess with italian, but my guess would be that it's not that great if there's been no english language translation explanation over these years.

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Quote from: bitbollo on June 04, 2016, 04:23:55 PM

another good money management alternative is called masaniello method.
https://www.betplanning.it/metodi/money-management/metodo-masaniello-online-strategia-di-money-management
here an explanation (but it's in italian language so sorry for who couldn't understand)

Looks like this method are good let me try those method i have some bitcoin funds in primedice get from the giveaway before i gradually increase the bankroll.. there's no bad to try this method maybe i can make even a small amount for this method..

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Quote from: bitbollo on June 04, 2016, 04:23:55 PM

another good money management alternative is called masaniello method.
https://www.betplanning.it/metodi/money-management/metodo-masaniello-online-strategia-di-money-management
here an explanation (but it's in italian language so sorry for who couldn't understand)

It is some kind of secret Italian method or something? I bet there is English version of this method somewhere?
I tried to read it but unfortunately my Italian speaking skill is like... non-existent.

I just want to add that all these strategies are only ways to manage your bets, bankroll and progress, they are not helping you achieve any more wins than you usually get.

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another good money management alternative is called masaniello method.
https://www.betplanning.it/metodi/money-management/metodo-masaniello-online-strategia-di-money-management
here an explanation (but it's in italian language so sorry for who couldn't understand)

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Quote from: adaseb on June 04, 2016, 02:15:03 PM

The only alternative for margingale is to do reverse martingale. Only double your bet when you win, when you lose you go back to your original bet.

And whats the point doubling your bet when you only win, for example in sports book this is not something to do, but you can double your bet with odds 2 and above after any loss, usually you will come out in profit many says so, but none has proved it so far, so martingale together reverse martingale are nothing to make us win.

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The only alternative for margingale is to do reverse martingale. Only double your bet when you win, when you lose you go back to your original bet.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

All In is an alternative method

All in is risky because you don't know if you will win in all in if you play it all in without doubt you haven't making fun with your money.. so better to play with other strategy make your own is better to make fun..
Honestly playing with strategy from others for me its boring its better to make my own experiment to have fun not to make a profit..

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

I think most strategies are just varioutions of the same thing more or less. I looked on wiki, there is no special strategy that gives up better odds. Just gamblers fallacy.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

I think there are many dice strategy out there, but only martingale is the popular one. I have my own strategy on dice sites but i don't know what is the name for it.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on June 03, 2016, 01:03:05 AM

Why are we looking for strategies and asking about it online? If ever there is a strategy to beat a gambling site that would be discovered by the site owner since it is being asked publicly making that strategy useless because of course the site owner will do some updates on the gambling site to avoid further loss isn't it?

Actually you are right but there are certain strategy by which we can lower house edge effect and make some decent profit. There is no harm in asking from a community like this where the best of bitcoin gamblers share their views.

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Quote from: Fatanut on June 03, 2016, 07:49:55 AM

You could try reverse martingale (this is what I think it's called). Instead of doubling your bet whenever you lose, you double your bet whenever you win. On lose, you'll go back to your base bet.

Let's assume that you've won 8 times in a row and the base bet was 1000 bits.

1000 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 256,000 bits. Your profit grows exponentially. It's not necessary that you stop when you've won 8 times straight, you can stop whenever you want. The more streaks, the more profit you'll get. I used to do this in BustaBit but I usually do it in a lower multiplier so the chances of having a winning streak is more than when the multiplier is at 2x. I don't actually advice this to gambling sites in which you can get a lot of loss. If you don't think the site you're playing in doesn't make you win in streak, then don't do this method.

This may be the only strategy I've heard of dumber than regular martingale.

So you double your bet on every win, how do you take a profit?

Start with 10 bets

Bet 1 win, next round bet 2, lose you have 9 left.

Bet 1 win, bet 2, win bet 4, lose, you have 9 left

So now instead you end up -1 unless you win enough in a row to hit the max bet?

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Quote from: Fatanut on June 03, 2016, 07:49:55 AM

You could try reverse martingale (this is what I think it's called). Instead of doubling your bet whenever you lose, you double your bet whenever you win. On lose, you'll go back to your base bet.

Let's assume that you've won 8 times in a row and the base bet was 1000 bits.

1000 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 256,000 bits. Your profit grows exponentially. It's not necessary that you stop when you've won 8 times straight, you can stop whenever you want. The more streaks, the more profit you'll get. I used to do this in BustaBit but I usually do it in a lower multiplier so the chances of having a winning streak is more than when the multiplier is at 2x. I don't actually advice this to gambling sites in which you can get a lot of loss. If you don't think the site you're playing in doesn't make you win in streak, then don't do this method.

Looks like interesting method i will try this in bitvest maybe it will work.. if i use this strategy in dice game i think it will not work because only to you can choose high or low. maybe in bitvest this strategy will work...

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I used martingale and won more than 1000 euros in fiat casino Grin

Btw next time I deposited 30 euros and lost them all Cry

But again who cares Cheesy

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Quote from: ebookscreator on June 03, 2016, 03:19:28 PM

As of now never heard theres good alternative to martingale but honestly martingale for me is the best in other games not in online games.. it will work in live games.. honestly i can not trust any online casino just program not a real human play..

Yeah ,that's the entire point of this thread.Suggesting an alternative to martingle.The only possible solution I could think of right now is a clever bot.Not programmed with the heuristic behavior of the game but sort of an AI touch to the gambling environment.Resetting of the client seed should be done before every 3 rolls.

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As of now never heard theres good alternative to martingale but honestly martingale for me is the best in other games not in online games.. it will work in live games.. honestly i can not trust any online casino just program not a real human play..

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Quote from: Vongola on June 02, 2016, 06:35:41 PM

Just do martingale in short run, dont run it for long run because it will bust. And remember the best startegy is know when to stop if you already have enough profit.

Yes but this is not alternate of martingale. Though you have a point, we all loose when we run martingale too long, so if we stop after some certain bets we can make some profit I think. The question is when to stop Cheesy

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Quote from: Vhern on June 03, 2016, 07:51:11 AM

Martingale is a nice method and style of your roll, however If you only have a large sum of capital you can always start at 0.0005 and everytime you earn a profit of let's say 0.01 withdraw it. just an opinion.

While thats not what the thread is about, but that is essentially what martingale is. And a base bet of 0.0005 isn't considered good specially because you will probably bust much sooner. People who start with even 0.00005 BTC usually bust bank rolls as large as 0.5-1BTC really fast.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

My only advice to you is that, do not spend your time in searching strategies on any purely random games such as dice, roulette, slots etc, as you will just waste your time.

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Martingale is a nice method and style of your roll, however If you only have a large sum of capital you can always start at 0.0005 and everytime you earn a profit of let's say 0.01 withdraw it. just an opinion.

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You could try reverse martingale (this is what I think it's called). Instead of doubling your bet whenever you lose, you double your bet whenever you win. On lose, you'll go back to your base bet.

Let's assume that you've won 8 times in a row and the base bet was 1000 bits.

1000 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 256,000 bits. Your profit grows exponentially. It's not necessary that you stop when you've won 8 times straight, you can stop whenever you want. The more streaks, the more profit you'll get. I used to do this in BustaBit but I usually do it in a lower multiplier so the chances of having a winning streak is more than when the multiplier is at 2x. I don't actually advice this to gambling sites in which you can get a lot of loss. If you don't think the site you're playing in doesn't make you win in streak, then don't do this method.

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Although no strategy works in dice but some of the working ones include strategies like
Amount : 0.001% on bankroll
Bet odds : 90%
multiplier : 1.1
on win : reset
on loose : 11x
and just do not get greedy and stop after fine profits.

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There is not yet invented something called a strategy to win in gambling, with Martingale being the most known one in the gambling history but also as the one who can destroy a gambler in the shortest amount of time. I have seen people playing roulette in my country in live offline casino roulette and they have lost it all in a matter of minutes, their bankroll was high, maybe was cheating from the dealer this I don't know, but the guy was always hitting on red it ended 29 times black. Since that day no other game expect soccer games can make you some profit in short to medium term but in the long run even soccer games can make you lose.

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Quote from: Gwapo on June 03, 2016, 06:33:13 AM

Martingale is one of the safest strategy of any betting games possible.

Although there is something called 'reverse martingale' but it is quite riskier than the former one. But if you can bet using both the strategies at quick succession, you can eventually succeed in the long run.

i agree. but i just want to add that martingale being a safe method doesn't mean it is a good method. because it is only safe in a sense that you are sure that ONLY if your bankroll can handle a lot of losses then you will be in profit after the last win after the losing streak.

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Martingale is one of the safest strategy of any betting games possible.

Although there is something called 'reverse martingale' but it is quite riskier than the former one. But if you can bet using both the strategies at quick succession, you can eventually succeed in the long run.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

All In is an alternative method

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

Well, martingale is not really a good strategy. Because you are assuming that you have infinite bankroll and you are going to follow the strategy till the end, which takes a lot of bankroll, a lot of patience and a site that accepts those extremely high bets.

There is no working strategy with a limited amount of money with gambling. Simply none.

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Quote from: Karat on June 03, 2016, 12:58:27 AM

Choose whiever strategy you want try whatever you can but you will end up loosing in long run best thing is to try your luck by manually betting and stop betting at the right time . the right time may be after winning some amount or after loosing some

I do agree on that manual betting suggestion. I don't believe in any of those automated betting strategies because in manual betting I can control myself when to stop. But there is not full proof strategy which can work for everybody so just use all these tricks and put some twists and try yourself for short period and keeping changing things.

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Quote from: Nobitcoin on June 03, 2016, 03:38:20 AM

What you are asking for is a method to beat the house that's not even possible so my suggestion is to stop gambling and you won't need to bother thinking and losing your BTC.

I think op is asking for alternative not to beat the house edge we know that its hard to defeat the houseedge and he just studying the strategy if what is the best method that he mention from the first page.. and i think its study purposes..

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

I tired the reverse martingale, and to be honest I prefer it to the normal one. It serves the purpose of trying to take advantage of your lucky runs, and tat's the main point in gambling I think, since you will lose in the long run, so you better try to win big in short term.

You can find a lot of betting plans strategies on wizardofodds.com

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What you are asking for is a method to beat the house that's not even possible so my suggestion is to stop gambling and you won't need to bother thinking and losing your BTC.

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I never heard that alternative martingale or anti-martingale but maybe it will work if you have a high bankroll honestly its always good to try any strategies even we know house is always win.. well i will search those strategies maybe there's a proper way how to do it..

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Quote from: wuvdoll on June 03, 2016, 03:12:22 AM

Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

They call it paroli I think instead of anti martingale. There are lot of modified version of Martingale always available every where. The best among all the strategies I have ever seen in dice sites is playing on 66% win chance and 3x multiplier on loosing and reset on win.

Looks good strategy never tried it but maybe i can make even a small amount i will try this in faucet bonus maybe it will work..
Honestly as of now i don't have bitcoin to test it i have already converted them into altcoins..

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

They call it paroli I think instead of anti martingale. There are lot of modified version of Martingale always available every where. The best among all the strategies I have ever seen in dice sites is playing on 66% win chance and 3x multiplier on loosing and reset on win.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on June 03, 2016, 01:03:05 AM

Why are we looking for strategies and asking about it online? If ever there is a strategy to beat a gambling site that would be discovered by the site owner since it is being asked publicly making that strategy useless because of course the site owner will do some updates on the gambling site to avoid further loss isn't it?

Yeah i also notice that they know if someone won and share the methods they change the program or the seeds to dont lose the house edge..
Looks good responce.. looks like i have new idea.. trying to making my own strategy is the best that i can do right now ..
If i just play in dice for nothing better to try with other strategies.. Looking for best profit with different strategy.. i will try to set 3 different strategy i will fix each 0.02 for dice game and i will wait in 30 minutes if who has made lots of profit or lose..

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Why are we looking for strategies and asking about it online? If ever there is a strategy to beat a gambling site that would be discovered by the site owner since it is being asked publicly making that strategy useless because of course the site owner will do some updates on the gambling site to avoid further loss isn't it?

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Choose whiever strategy you want try whatever you can but you will end up loosing in long run best thing is to try your luck by manually betting and stop betting at the right time . the right time may be after winning some amount or after loosing some

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Maybe try not playing dice, instead try sports betting or some other game. As other people have said, no strategy will get you far on dice, as it has a house edge. Try playing sports betting, which is mostly skill, and maybe also try bustabit as you can beat the edge there. There's also poker, but poker requires a lot of skill and practice.

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Im a long time dicer but there is no strategy that really can beat the house in the long run no matter what kinda strategy is that. I have tried a diff strat before and martingale is the worst i used even reversed, it didnt work. At the end you can only win in dice if you are lucky.

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Just do martingale in short run, dont run it for long run because it will bust. And remember the best startegy is know when to stop if you already have enough profit.

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The way to win at betting is to make good bets. If you make good bets you will win, if you make bad bets you will lose.

All bets on dice sites are bad bets.

All of these nonsense strategies people have posted are just different ways of making multiple bets with a negative expected value, they all will result in a negative expected value, which means they are bad bets.

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i had been trying martingale strategy and similar strategy such it but it doesn't working well for me but if you found strategy anti martingale or anything else and it does working for you please share to us but i personally don't trust it

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I don't think there's any alternative for Martingale because even martingale isn't absolute.
Remember the rule 'The house always wins' (got this from casinotycoon) when if we are believing that it's pretty much true, then there is no point in finding out any new strategies.

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you can do a lot of changes to martingale strategy yourself and even with a little bit of experience or thinking about new strategies you can come up with unique strategies to use for your gambling but in the end you will realize that eventually no strategy works in gambling, and in long term everybody loses sometime.

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As per my experience and knowledge their is no strategy which is working for long time, you have to play according to the site and game running condition, i use to bet in multi strategy according to the game and mostly win 10 to 20% and then stop it and start back when ever i feel is good day for me to bet and win.

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Quote from: electronicfactura on June 02, 2016, 08:36:25 AM

Martingale never worked for me though I tried them quite a few times.Whenever I succeeded to make some withdraw was becasue of random bets.But I am also surprised to see there are so many strategies like some are shared above.These seems interesting and another reason to give few more hands in dice.

Yeah i know martingale is not working anymore that's why i am looking for alternative for martingale.. maybe there's other strategy will work just to try it. This is my money i would like to try many types of strategy.. so nothing will be lost to you..
Thanks for your opinion..

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

yes there are many dice strategy that can use other than martiangle method these are the FF:

-Labouchere
-Fibonacci
-d'Alembert
-martiangle
-inverse martiangle
-double martiangle

thats all i know

remember all of these is not 100%, in the long run you might lose as always, house always wins

Wow, you must be a real dice lover. I have never heard about those first three strategies, could you explain more about it?
The only strategy I know is martingale, and I have so bad luck with martingale.

You may want to take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labouch%C3%A8re_system, http://www.casinoreviewsquad.com/betting-systems/the-fibonacci-betting-system/ and http://www.bettingexpert.com/casino/roulette/strategy/d%E2%80%99alembert-system.

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There is no working strategy or method to beat the house in my opinion.I have seen timely some lucky guy wins some nice amount and everyone begins to follow the same.I play rarely dice but random bets is best policy.Most important thing is your seed which plays basic role in your winning or loosing.

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Quote from: mindrust on June 02, 2016, 08:17:07 AM

The chances are always going to be the same when you are trying to make 1$ to 1000$. Try whatever strategy you like.

In fact it is not. Take a look at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10529739 if you are interested. Some ways of betting gives you a slightly better chance to reach a profit target, but the bottom line is, dice games always give you a negative EV no matter how you play.

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Martingale never worked for me though I tried them quite a few times.Whenever I succeeded to make some withdraw was becasue of random bets.But I am also surprised to see there are so many strategies like some are shared above.These seems interesting and another reason to give few more hands in dice.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

Someone had a similar strategy to martingale but bit more safer, apparently variation of the Paroli Betting Style

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sick-of-martingale-give-this-a-shot-it-works-chart-and-instructions-1430193

I tried it a bit but didn't have much patience to go all the way

Looks like interesting methods i will try this method in dice game maybe it will work.. also share other methods i am looking for reverse martingale if how does it work or anti martingale methods..

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Quote from: BossMacko on June 02, 2016, 07:47:34 AM

Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

yes there are many dice strategy that can use other than martiangle method these are the FF:

-Labouchere
-Fibonacci
-d'Alembert
-martiangle
-inverse martiangle
-double martiangle

thats all i know

remember all of these is not 100%, in the long run you might lose as always, house always wins

Wow, you must be a real dice lover. I have never heard about those first three strategies, could you explain more about it?
The only strategy I know is martingale, and I have so bad luck with martingale.

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Quote from: ajaxmoor on June 02, 2016, 07:05:38 AM

Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale? I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

Anti martingale or martingaling with different multipliers are just some other strategies. Even betting large after losing few number of smaller bets is another strategy, but they won't work in the long term . The only difference will be when you will bust. Some strategies could be high risk and bust soon, and some could take more time to bust with less returns in short term.

i think it is called reverse martingale not anti martingale. and it is worse than martingale. if i remember it right from when i read about it you bet big and reduce the amount on each bet after that and it will not cover your losses.

I believe its different. In reverse martingale, you make a base bet of 1$, and then double that on winning. You keep doubling for a few number of consecutive wins. So if you hit a winning streak of say 7, then 1$ will become 128$ in that streak. A player sets the max number of wins he wants to go for.

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Quote from: Red-Apple on June 02, 2016, 07:14:49 AM

i think it is called reverse martingale not anti martingale.

and it is worse than martingale. if i remember it right from when i read about it you bet big and reduce the amount on each bet after that and it will not cover your losses.

"Reverse martingale" and "Anti-martingale" are actually the same thing (for your reference, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_%28betting_system%29#Anti-martingale), and your description isn't right either.
With reverse martingale, a player will increase his bet size after a win and reset his bet size after a loss (in comparison, with martingale, a player will increase his bet size after a loss and reset his bet size after a win).

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No there isn't. Martingale itself isn't a reliable strategy anyway.

The chances are always going to be the same when you are trying to make 1$ to 1000$. Try whatever strategy you like.

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I also think any strategy which we use to chase our lose will lead us to get busted in the end, best way to forget about this and start with same way like you are playing before get busted and i think sport betting has very good chance to make good profit.

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I am unable to make profits with martingale strategy using in my automated dice gambling. The house edge always win with the longest losing streaks against me. I'm not ready to look for another strategy to risk some more my bitcoins.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

yes there are many dice strategy that can use other than martiangle method these are the FF:

-Labouchere
-Fibonacci
-d'Alembert
-martiangle
-inverse martiangle
-double martiangle

thats all i know

remember all of these is not 100%, in the long run you might lose as always, house always wins

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I'm trying this method of mine combining martingale and reverse martingale while playing in the dice site, making proper timing together with some luck and stop after reaching 30% of my actual capital, just remember mate any strategy needs you to be contented enough set your goal and control yourself.

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https://www.casino-strategy.com/

Here you can find some nice strategies for roulette, slots, and black jack. With nice explanations about that. There is more sites about this question, forum talks, videos on youtube. I read a lot about this things, and I tried some strategies that I found interesting in my opinion. YouTube is also nice place to see how some people win, people film it and you see some strategy from first hand...

Martingale is universe, I like to play progressive and that is basically martingale, just I don't double bet every time, sometimes I rise bet even much more. and when I`m on high bet sometimes I like to repeat bet. Cause many times I saw and get two good ones in a row. So I like to play progressive and on feeling when to rise, or lower bet.

I advise you to read and check all this things I told you about, and after that to try some mix of all that. Combine good things in your head and that is it, sometimes you will lose, sometimes you will win, its gambling. Just try to win a bit more.

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After trying different settings I came to a conclusion that there is no bot or script that will give you stable win for longer period. Dice sites can't exist if people can use all the time automatic scripts who will win the bankroll of the House each time. Best to play manual so you can regonize the losing streaks.

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No, there is no strategy that "works".
If there would be way to win from gambling with some strategy all gambling sites would be bankrupted already.

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Quote from: ajaxmoor on June 02, 2016, 07:05:38 AM

Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

Anti martingale or martingaling with different multipliers are just some other strategies. Even betting large after losing few number of smaller bets is another strategy, but they won't work in the long term .
The only difference will be when you will bust. Some strategies could be high risk and bust soon, and some could take more time to bust with less returns in short term.

i think it is called reverse martingale not anti martingale.

and it is worse than martingale. if i remember it right from when i read about it you bet big and reduce the amount on each bet after that and it will not cover your losses.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on June 02, 2016, 06:48:06 AM

Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

Anti martingale or martingaling with different multipliers are just some other strategies. Even betting large after losing few number of smaller bets is another strategy, but they won't work in the long term .
The only difference will be when you will bust. Some strategies could be high risk and bust soon, and some could take more time to bust with less returns in short term.

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Guys do you think there's alternative for martingale?
I found some strategy anti-martingale and reverse martingale do you think guys it will work in dice game or other gambling games?

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