Topic: Sick of Martingale? Give this a shot... It works. Chart and Instructions. (Read 7608 times)

Hi,
Martingale is always losing strategy,
even if you wait before play.

You can test it here where you can crash any strategy you want with a million bets in 0.5 seconds:
https://www.bitso.me/hi-lo-calc.php

On top, use strategy=1, down set "min losses" at 1, set the margin you prefer, then in "tot rolls" set 1000000

 

I've tested this strategy. If you win more than you lose, you'll be in good profit compared to other strategies.

If you lose more than you win, no strategy will save you. (except martingale if you have unlimited bankroll)

You might win more than you lose in short term, vice versa. In my simulations you need at least 1,000 bets to almost equalize win/loss ratio.

Wrote a script to simulate this - always a loss with any house edge. It does end up wagering a decent amount of BTC compared to the loss, but a loss non the less.



Below is the python code - the roll method is pretty straightforward

I charted this in excel, was a little tricky, but was able to do it.  Nothing amazing happened on the charts, that i would find useful for session play.  The concept is not new, there are quite a few types of number lines with parlay in them, 31 parlay is one of them, you bet like a sequence that totals 31 and parlay the win ones and restart.  There are other number lines where you keep on going till two wins, and if back and forth happens on bigger bets, there is a limit, and than restarts.  Some famous casino grinders use and swear by them, and are usually found in books not websites.  The way pros play them is not the same way we play them I think, they grind with black chips and massive banks and often one unit win can be enough to live for a day.  This goes for all systems, including the STAR system.  When I try these systems I hit my consecutive numbers in the low ranges and than it flies through all the big bets without double hits, and thats that.  When I played this system manualy, not on charts, it was fun, it jumped a bit up and down, and I stopped with a small win.  I recommend playing everything progressive, or everything in reverse, and only manual.  It also become like chess if you're in it for the long run and have enough betting units, since using progressive system will produce overall more profit, but most of it is hard to capture, since you loose it if not cashed out, reset.  Also profits attained this way are very slow and inconsistent, and doesn't satisfy the appetite of those who want to make good money gambling.  Martingale is an excellent system, but each session needs to have a stop loss, that way if one day you get 4x on your session, next day you only loose one session on bad string of losses, not everything.  Of course they can and will happen in a row too.  Also system analysis/charting/coding varies strategies is very good because it develops other skills, programming, charting software, etc.

it doesnt work brother. it ends up in loss

I know it is very old thread. But just wanted to post my openion. I tried so many strategies. But out of all those, i prefer to advise febo. One up on loss and 2 down on win with 49.50 winning chances. It is not to critise any one. It is just my openion. If i hurt any one, i am ready to remove this comment and say sorry. thank you very much

Thanks a lot for this bot. i ve been trying it for a couple of hours and i had a losing streak of 13 on dice but nevertheless i ve been profiting anyway. with classic martingale my 48000 doges would be zero now while now i have 48424 lol. its an old thread but i want to keep it alive. is that possible admin? it seems worth it. will give more updates if needed, thanks!

I have a question about the "method". if you lose, let's say  5 in a row and then you win one and you double the best, but you lose again, you go back to base bet right? Same after the second win? thanks!

He screwed up his math on his quick example. But his posted chart is correct from what I'm looking at.

I tried this a while back just playing for fun, I was more interested in gaming/bitcoin/commerce, and tried this out when the OP originally posted.

My conclusion was: The house does indeed have edge, you cannot turn -EV into +EV and vice versa.

However, when I did play this strategy, it's pretty easy to hit 3 streaks when playing 2x odds. I tried a few variants of my own, shooting for 4 streaks, and so on.

The long short of it is:  If you have a decent bankroll, or budget your bets correctly, you can withstand a swing down before the swing up. I ended up in profit. Hitting if I remember correctly a 3x streak after 6 losses.

Granted I just playing around, I think my base was 0.00000100. But it resulted in I guess:

An initial loss of 0.00002100 (6 losses upping 1 step per loss).

Then I won on 7th.

700 win
1400 win
2800 win
- 2100 loss from first 6 rolls.
0.00002880 Net Profit

Now had I been playing at a base of 0.10, the win would have been 2.8BTC.

3 streaks, no so uncommon. The question is how many do you allow yourself to lose before going back to reset. His chart goes to 30.

Using Martingale, you'd be busted out, by 20ish most likely.

With this, if you were so unlucky to roll 30 losses, then only 1 win and then lose-- math in my head tells me, your loss would be under 0.01BTC using the 1000 satoshi base.

If you rolled 30 losses and then rolled 3 wins, the payout would be 0.00210000.

Using this system, 30 is survivable.

The sweet spot seems to be around 6-7 losses... best returns around there. Lose 6 or 7, hit a 3 streak. But any 3 streak in any series will profit.

House always wins... if you keep playin!

Cheers!

Strato

if its not 50/50 how do you call it?

Hope you continue doing well with your system but from my experience like everyone else says any system is only profitable short term and the longer you play the more likely the house takes your money

If this is 50/50 win/lose situation then how you can call it a strategy in the first place?
Do you have strategy for coin toss too? Toss is and pray it will be up with the side you chose?

i made. this is only an example...believe me the house is king

5000 bets it nothing for conclusion about strategy.  Made at least 500 000 bets!

SO i can give you my bets of your strategy.
This dont work!!!
Can you give me your chart, so i can believe you.

a really nice strategy to be honest, i hope it will make me big money

U messed up in your own system three times 

It would be 27 VS 9

But showing one sequence which works better for your system then martingale is pretty naive.

I can give u a better strategy for your sequence:
Keep betting 1 and bet 10 every fifth bet xD

Would be 32 VS 27 for my system 

Why don't you suck the casinos dry if this is working?

In gambling, either you are lucky or not. If you are lucky, you beat the casino, take every penny they got away from them and you became the new casino. If not, you lose everything you got.

If this strategy have worked, there wouldn't be any casinos doing any business out there by now.

i try your strategy with 100.000bets. my result: you dont have enough 3 times win, to cover the loss after 2 times 2win.
Can you show us a proof that the strategy for you work?

alright let's see how it goes


strategy is 50/50.... if you are lucky and have a goal...
you'll profit

otherwise

you'll end up empty.

goodluck guys