Topic: Am I the oldest member here? - page 2. (Read 1676 times)

Happy Birthday @Jet Cash - my own father turned 80 on Monday so I've spent the week away from BCT whilst doing things with him.

Having been born in 1940 in England he's always told us stories of the bombers going overhead (both ways) as well as once being in school when a bomber came down (about to crash) pulled up at the last moment, went up over the school then crashed on the other side of the school.  Yes, it's true childhood memories of the war have left an indelible mark on my father's whole life.

I've found people my own age just don't get the sciences or technology in general - they know how to swipe up or down (or left and right) but aren't interested in behind the curtain (and I weep for the generation that's come after me for wanting someone else to do the swiping L-R U-D for them), so I take my hat off to you for being of an earlier age when all people wanted to know about the world around them.

I've used old netbooks for years, until it really got too slow for me. With 1 (and later 2) GB RAM and a SSD Linux Mint worked fine, but the old Atom CPU was very limiting. I now only use it for backups (also because the screen literally broke off).

My first "notebook" as a nomad was a Chromebook, and it is usable when WiFi is available. I ended up giving it to my partner though, as it really is very limited. You can run it under Ubuntu, but it is not as good as the HP netbook I bought. This came with Windows 10, but I wiped that and installed Ubuntu, and it works well. It was also slightly cheapen that the Chromebook. The main problem with both of them was/is the inability to change the hard drive or increase the memory. The notebook I have is a Core i5, and is probably powerful enough for web site maintenance, and most of the other things I do at the moment.

I'll try a bit of video editing, and based on my experiences, I'll probably decide on an improved system in the future. Linux Mint with Cinnamon looked like a good replacement for Windows 10, but I haven't started to use it yet.

can Chromebooks run ubuntu? never had one but they are very low power iirc. might be worth looking for one.

might be a bit more powerful that a pie, plus fully self contained.

I'm taking advantage of the good weather to clear dome of the detritus from my past. It isn't making much money for me, but it is making me feel a lot happier and independent. I think I'm going to commit to a full time life as a digital nomad as well, and I might start a thread about that. Internet connectivity and power sources are a big part of such a life, and I've learn a lot over the past months. The first step is a new battery for the notebook, and I've just spent nearly £40 on a new Ninja Pro. That's half the price of an HP original, and it seens to offer a bit more power. It has some good reviews as well, and I liked the fact that it uses Samsung cells. If I am happy with it, I might try to repair the old battery.

The HP netbook is great since I installed Ubuntu on it, but the disk and screen are a bit small, and it isn't easy to upgrade. The notebook has a spare memory slot, so I can double the ram, and I have already bought an SSD to use instead of the HDD with Windows 10 on it. I will probably switch to the new Linus Mint with Cinnamon, so I would welcome any comments about that. This will return to being my main computer.

Long term, I think the answer is a Raspberry Pi with solar power, but that is a few months away.

I could always tell from your posts that you belong to the older generations, but honestly, I would never had guessed that you were almost 80. I respect your willingness to learn. Probably a lot of stubbornness as well. I watch my parents and how much they struggle with basic mobile phone functionalities, and here is a man their age who is familiar with Bitcoin. Inspirational!

Gold seems to be less speculative than bitcoin (don't get me wrong, I am saying fuck gold, but if the 90-year old is calling gold "too speculative", that should be a signal of the direction of her thinking), even though bitcoin surely has a higher upside potential (that may or may not play out), but I would not recommend any 90 year old into putting much if anything into bitcoin especially if she is considering gold to be "too speculative" which means that she does not want to engage in much if any risk, currently.. which makes a lot of sense for a 90 year old to be thinking in terms of low risk investments, if making any investments.  

Surely, if she is concerned about a donkey sanctuary, she might give part of her £50k to a donkey sanctuary, but maybe she could put another part of that £50k into a bitcoin trust for donkeys..  

Of course, some things can be more complicated than preferred, and if her money is in cash, sometimes there would be a preference to spend it in the least complicated way by directly giving to the donkey matter.  There are likely not too many 90 year olds that might want to learn about bitcoin if they have had so far shown little to no interest in it, and while they have other more pressing interests, too... so I find it difficult, whether someone is 90 years old or some other age, to attempt to get them interested in a topic that they have not already expressed interest.... so for example, if you mentioned bitcoin, and the 90 year old does not perk up with any kind of interest, but if you mention donkeys or military ships, or military battles, and she gets all excited and animated, then it would not be fair to impose your own interests onto such persons whether 90 or some other age, especially, if they are not even showing any interest in such bitcoin topic.

Personally, I doubt that bitcoin really needs much, if any, marketing, and with the passage of time, including the Lindy effect dynamics, value and even mindspace is ongoingly likely to continue to gravitate in bitcoin's direction.. but it still could take quite a bit of time, and surely a large number of people seem to pay way more attention to bitcoin during exponential price explosions rather than consolidation periods, and exponential price growth does not seem to be our current state of bitcoin price dynamics, but could be something that happens in the coming year or two..... I suppose many bitcoin HODLers expect such bitcoin price explosion to happen soon, while such major question is still waiting to play out.  I would feel bad for the 90-year old, if i was pushing bitcoin on her, and then her investment into bitcoin were to go in the opposite price direction during her remaining years (with a pretty BIG risk of deteriorating health during such coming years).

Belated happy birthday!!! I hope that I reach that age because I want to live longer. That's the reason why even when I'm still young, I invested in using bitcoin because I know that bitcoin will give me a bright future bitcoin will secure my needs in the future. I'm just enjoying my adult life. I believe that you have done a lot of things and you will do more until you become a wiser man. Wishing you a good health and more power. Hopefully, you become more successful in life and you achieve your goal.

The concept of virtual assets is only for particular people with an open mind. I believe we all here were chosen not only for ourselves but to broadcast this beautiful invention. A hard virtual asset? wow ok, I can live with that. Glad you define it out.

I had experienced difficulties at the beginning of introducing bitcoin, and only 3 of my friends and one cousin were interested and involved. I have zero knowledge, but thankfully I found this forum. I study and answer their questions or invite them directly here. However, many of my friends were asking how to jump in today. 

I am curious about what your family and friends think about bitcoin when you tell them for the first time?

Thanks again to everybody for the kind words in this thread.


Bitcoin and a persons age is an interesting topic, and maybe I should put together some thoughts about it for the over 70s. You can't just look at chronological age, but have to consider mental and biological age as well. Then there are the health issues, and financial status. I have a friend in her 90s, and she has a spare £50,000 in cash in the bank, and she is not sure what to do with it. She was going to give it to a donkey sanctuary, but I have discouraged her from that. In fact Bitcoin could be an interesting intellectual stimulus for her, and a way for her to gain some computer knowledge, but she is unlikely to want to spend the time, and would rather read about old naval and military battles. I suggested gold Britannias, bur she considers gold to be too speculative.

An interest in Bitcoin has been good for me, as it has helped me to understand the concept of hard virtual assets, and it seems that most people in crypto don't really understand why Bitcoin is the only hard virtual asset in crypto. It is a hard asset because it is not centralised, and is not dependent solely on its utility for its value.

Without giving any kind of exact specifics (you should know better Jet Cash... hahahahaha ), I am not even going to attempt to compete with you on age, so in that sense you got me beat by a generation.. and so surely, in some  sense you are very lucky to have lived to a ripe ole age, and surely you start to consider your mortality more and more as you get older, perhaps some age-related issues come along, and likely you begin to witness more and more people who are your age or younger passing on.

In late 2013, when I first got into bitcoin I was thinking about bitcoin as a 1-2 year investment minimum, but then surely willing to consider the possibility of investing on a longer timeline 4-5 years, or even more than 10 years, but those longer timelines would be contingent on BTC performance as compared with other assets, and perhaps other ongoing fundamentals, including factors related to my own self that might change with the passage of time, such as cashflow, risk tolerance, time and abilities to manage, plan and reallocate and trade.

Probably in the past year or maybe a bit longer, I have rethought the blanket recommendations that I have been giving to anyone who ask me about whether they should invest in bitcoin or get involved in bitcoin.

Currently, my blanket recommendation would be to invest 1% to 10% of your investable quasi-liquid assets into bitcoin, so long as you perceive your investment timeline to be a minimum of 4-5 years, and if your minimum investment timeline is  between 1-4 years, then I would recommend 1-2% of your investable quasi-liquid assets into bitcoin.  If your timeline is less than 1 year, I would recommend NOT investing anything into bitcoin (except to the extent that you perceive yourself as a gambler).

So, getting back to age, anyone who starts to get into their more elderly years, should be more seriously considering their actual timeline, and whether they have any health issues that might cause them to have shorter timeline expectations, and of course, health issues could come at any time, but getting into your 70s, by itself, becomes a factor by itself, even if you have not experienced any previous significant or meaningful health factors that are personally affecting you.

Anyhow, I will repeat my congratulations that you have reached your later 70s, and since you did not mention anything even generally regarding your health, I am going to presume (I have not yet read through the thread posts) that there was not necessarily anything that you thought would be relevant to this particular topic to bring up in OP, which seems to be a positive revelation, in and of itself.

By the way, (since the forum has been around for more than 10 years), I would bet that there have to be a decent number of forum members, who are more elderly than you, and of course, when anyone invests into bitcoin (and I don't really care to account for the considerations of the shitcoin investors) at such age they either may have had a longer term investment thesis and just gotten older along the way or maybe they were investing for a shorter-term and then just transitioned into a longer-term investor.  Surely, the younger investors are going to consider some of the timeline matters, differently, and more elderly investors would be more likely to be considering either moderate investing into BTC or even cashing out strategies, whether incrementally or lump sums.

edit: By the way, I read a few more of the subsequent posts (still reading) after OP, and I see that there are a lot of members that believe bitcoin is about tech rather than about sound money, which is part of the framing regarding what potential issues that bitcoin might present to an older user, as compared with a younger user.  Personally, I say fuck that, even though there is surely some technical aspect in regards to bitcoin, including the fact that you cannot feel it or see it, like you can a gold bar, but anyhow, bitcoin remains an asset that concerns the understanding of sound money and having some ability (whether young or old) to appreciate how bitcoin is scarce and solved the double spend problem.

edit2: Read through all of the posts, now.  I see that so far no one has given you, Jet Cash, any competition in regards to chronological age, and sure I will concede that there is likely some questions regarding whether people are interested in learning new things as they get older, so a further thought would have been that you were a bit passed your mid-60s when bitcoin's white paper was released, and surely none of us are omni-clairvoyant regarding all of the happenings in the world, so perhaps, you did not even learn about bitcoin until sometime prior to registering your bitcoin talk account, but even then, whether young or old, sometimes it can take a few introductions before any person decides to act upon the information that they have learned (bitcoin in this case).  I personally was in the market of looking for an investment that was something like gold, but not quite gold, when I found out about bitcoin in late 2013, so in that regard, I was highly susceptible to being drawn into bitcoin right from my early introduction into it, and so I developed and tweaked an investment plan soon thereafter .. which continues to be tweaked from time to time, but such plan is more solidified after having had been in bitcoin for over 6.5 years, now.  But you, Jetcash, may have well been already in your 70s when you started to get active in bitcoin, whether involvement in the forum, investment or a combination of those activities.... I do like to hear those kinds of "getting involved" stories, and of course, your age puts a new kind of interesting twist on considering what your motives and practices would have been and/or how you continue to treat your bitcoin investment in terms of your age... acknowledging that some people do actually invest in bitcoin and consider heirs rather than considering or planning their own liquidation strategies based on age (and inevitable desk...  some even argue that death is not inevitable.. and I have not seen any actual real life examples of that, so far - especially in humans....  hahahahahahaha).

First point is that it isn't the English that are the rulers, but the Anglophile empire. England is as much a subject as many other countries tha are ruled through the City of London. This has become a supra-national entity these days.

I  believe that every country should have a democratic right to determine its own destiny and rule of law. Note that this does not include authoritarian elected regimes like the EU, and the City of London, and various other high profile countries. I don't support the use of America as the patsy to try to force changes in countries with elected governments that the ruling elite don't like. The sooner that the US can gain independence from Washington, the sooner we will be able to move towards world peace. But this will need to include a move away from globalisation. Washington is now a tool if the Anglophone empire, as is Westminster. Donald Trump seems to be trying to regain American independence, but he is his own man, and I wonder about his real objectives.

The greatest problem we face at the moment is not the virus, but the toxic debt mountain, and the virus is being used to increase this, and thus to collapse the world economy. Hopefully we can move the rebuilding away from the Anglophile empire, and nations can free themselves from central banks and the associated debt slavery.

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Enjoy your coffee.
Are you a Costa lover or Starbucks or just a local one?

Very true.

Additionally I would love to know your view about English ruling others (counties/continents). Ex. India.

Yesterday I went to the naturist beach to get some vitamin "D" and iodine etc. I don't have grey skin, so, no, I don't wear grey clothes. I used to wear a stiff collar, suit and black shoes when I worked for the London Stock Exchange, but that was before it went digital. ( and I worked on the implementation of that ).

I'm definitely sexist - women are interesting and more fun, so I discriminate in their favour.

I'm anti-anti-racist. The anglophile elite that rule most of the western world are extreme racists, and they use anti-racism to keep racism alive to preserve their elite superiority. I don't believe in racism or genocide, but I don't have to wave placards or smash windows to conceal my innate racism.

Do you conform to any of the stereotypes associated with the greatest generation such as racism or sexism, and do you wear mostly grey clothes?

Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm actually infinite  .

My granddad is in his early 70s and can't even turn a PC on so congrats. Sadly he has dementia now so imagine me trying to explain bitcoin to him when he asks what it is 5 times in a day  . 


Tell that to the judge, R Kelly  .

man, it is good thing to see that someone who is 78 is still active and chat on the forum, great thing
i am just over a half from there, hopefully will catch that age, and older people that i know are not usually computer fluent, could say that it is a rare thing, unfortunately, even today with all smartphones and devices, older people do not want to engage that much with computers, i would not say that as good or bad thing, just as fact

I thought for a long time that I would like to write to you. But my emotions overwhelm me. My grandfather is almost as old as you. But I can’t even imagine how to explain to him what bitcoin is. No way, absolutely.
My respect to you, Jet Cash!
  I bow low and take off my hat. Long-life to you, be healthy.

Age is just a number, Its how you feel that counts. Also staying active and fit.

Happy belated Birthday, may you have many more happy and special days ahead of you.