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Bitcoin price changes all the time, so what kind of investment an investor can make depends on his plan.  And there are several strategies in investment including long term holding, short term holding, and trading that a person can invest based on his income and strategy. There are many investors who buy bitcoins long term and hold them for a long time, there are many who buy bitcoins and hold them for a long time rather than keeping money in the bank. So it usually depends on the plan who will invest how the biggest desire.
People who have thought wisely will always make a plan that is so good and also mature enough for the long term when they want to invest. And in terms of choice, of course, it will be more directed towards Bitcoin because now there are many people who have realized that Bitcoin can indeed be relied on for long-term investment even though its price changes are always there and always visible in the market. But choosing Bitcoin as an investment will always be more appropriate for every investor so that now there are still many investors who buy Bitcoin and try to save it for the long term as their own best asset.
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In a situation whereby you accept it as a means of payment while selling off your goods, then when  you are out of stock, so you decide to restock your shop, so by then price of Bitcoin has dip so much that you can't buy all the goods needed in your shop, due to the fact that your money has depreciate in value because of the dip, what is the way forward in such a situation if your emergency funds can't cover up for the shortage?
Agreed that it's also created as a means of payments but holding it is very important to an individual and as well a business man but looking at the area of buying goods with it as it's not been converted to a simple fist currency could be very challenging and you need not to be in a rush. Mind you you can choose to purchase the goods in the shop by waiting awhile when everything goes down but again you can as well convert to another easier currency inorder to make payments. This is why it's advisable to have a third party funds that you can run to at anytime when such issues occur, having backup funds usually be of help in this situation do it depends on your decisions.
Not 'also', because that sounds that the currency use of BTC is only secondary, when in fact it was main. People who hold a BTC can have two reasons. One does it for investing, while the other is idling it for a while, for later use. Each BTC feature has their own importance but even without a BTC, it is still possible for us to live and there are people who are not even in BTC yet but still does well in life.

There are also people whose life was ruined by BTC, though it is also their fault on why it happened. BTC is now known and like we said earlier it is a currency, so we can just use it directly. I agree that it's important to have a backup fund (preferably fiat), since it was physical and ready to use anywhere.
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October 05, 2024, 01:06:40 AM
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Bitcoin as the first cryptocurrency was not just created for investment purpose, it was actually created as a means of payment and to be honest, the adoption process isn't as fast as expected, but one thing that am very curious about and I have been thinking on how to go about it as a business man while accepting it as a means of payment is it volatility, though it might be advantageous for holders, but am not that certain for a business men.

In a situation whereby you accept it as a means of payment while selling off your goods, then when  you are out of stock, so you decide to restock your shop, so by then price of Bitcoin has dip so much that you can't buy all the goods needed in your shop, due to the fact that your money has depreciate in value because of the dip, what is the way forward in such a situation if your emergency funds can't cover up for the shortage?

Bitcoin price changes all the time, so what kind of investment an investor can make depends on his plan.  And there are several strategies in investment including long term holding, short term holding, and trading that a person can invest based on his income and strategy. There are many investors who buy bitcoins long term and hold them for a long time, there are many who buy bitcoins and hold them for a long time rather than keeping money in the bank. So it usually depends on the plan who will invest how the biggest desire.
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October 05, 2024, 01:00:46 AM
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The volatile exchange rate is something that can definitely make it difficult when having to buy supplies for your business that are priced in fiat. When you are selling a product, ideally, you want to have good margins. If your margins are too slim that you would lose money when the price goes down, I would consider swapping some of the BTC you received into stablecoins or fiat. Keep a small amount of BTC for savings and use the fiat to pay your expenses.
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October 05, 2024, 12:05:49 AM
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This can be a cause of concern as businessman will have to re-import their products when their service ends. It will also affect those who are small traders or businessman. It would be beneficial for a trader if he can make bitcoin transactions at regular intervals without having to use bitcoin regularly. Or if he sells 10-15% of his business through Bitcoin he can retain that money which will also help his Bitcoin investment. He will be able to make more profit than his business through that investment. But after keeping 10-15% in Bitcoin he must consider whether the amount he is profiting is causing any problems in running his business. Because there are many businessmen who are not able to run the business without a certain amount.
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October 04, 2024, 11:06:41 PM
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First of all the Dollar itself already losses its value for decade now, and Bitcoin payment is not new Country like El-Salvador using bitcoin as legal tender but the other gov seems don't like it, there is news that tell The IMF has been asking El Salvador for changes regarding bitcoin since 2021, when the Central American country established it as a legal tender. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/imf-urges-el-salvador-again-215246529.html

And as for now there are bunch of processing payment like the well known bitpay or coinbase commerce that basically can turn your bitcoin into fiat directly after the transaction so you don't really care about the up and down
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October 04, 2024, 07:09:49 PM
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I believe very few people use Bitcoins as a mode of payment. Bitcoins are very rare and fixed in number. So people know that if the demand increases, the price will increase. Hence, people treat Bitcoins as only a digital asset to make money. I know that some businesses accept Bitcoins as a mode of payment, but you also need to understand that these are big brands. For the stock shortage, they have hard cash/fiat to fill up the shortage. They have just added Bitcoins as a source of payment to increase their sales and revenue.

Using Bitcoin as a digital asset is what is trending and not using Bitcoin as a mode of payment. There was a time when everybody wanted to accept Bitcoin as a mode of payment and company usually announce this decision but something changed and they began to pull back. The congestion became a problem and the delay in transaction too. Other mode of payment are looking more better than Bitcoin presently and we shouldn't expect business to leave those options and go for Bitcoin that can make them to lose the values of the profits that they have made when they hodl Bitcoin. They can also make more but people prefer to look at how much they're going to lose.
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October 03, 2024, 12:46:13 PM
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Bitcoin as the first cryptocurrency was not just created for investment purpose, it was actually created as a means of payment and to be honest, the adoption process isn't as fast as expected, but one thing that am very curious about and I have been thinking on how to go about it as a business man while accepting it as a means of payment is it volatility, though it might be advantageous for holders, but am not that certain for a business men.

In a situation whereby you accept it as a means of payment while selling off your goods, then when  you are out of stock, so you decide to restock your shop, so by then price of Bitcoin has dip so much that you can't buy all the goods needed in your shop, due to the fact that your money has depreciate in value because of the dip, what is the way forward in such a situation if your emergency funds can't cover up for the shortage?
What we have seen companies do is to sell their bitcoin immediately as they receive it, so there is no large difference between the price at which they got that bitcoin and the price at which they sold it, this allows them to avoid the volatility as much as possible while they retain the fiat value of the bitcoin they got this way, which I think it is a fair compromise, as even if I believe in bitcoin and what it represents, that does not mean that businesses have to hold the same opinion I have.
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October 03, 2024, 12:28:19 PM
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Bitcoin is for HODL, not meant for spending...Eventually if the price reach at the level of your goal, that will help you retire young.
It's for holding for those that have enough money to hold and not for small business starters that might just want to start accepting bitcoin for their business for such kind of people they need to sell sometimes in order for them to restock their shop. 
 
But if it's for those businesses that use bitcoin as a point of reserve, then they will only consider selling when they have made enough profit and not thinking about how the price of bitcoin is moving.
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October 03, 2024, 12:22:58 PM
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I believe very few people use Bitcoins as a mode of payment. Bitcoins are very rare and fixed in number. So people know that if the demand increases, the price will increase. Hence, people treat Bitcoins as only a digital asset to make money. I know that some businesses accept Bitcoins as a mode of payment, but you also need to understand that these are big brands. For the stock shortage, they have hard cash/fiat to fill up the shortage. They have just added Bitcoins as a source of payment to increase their sales and revenue.
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October 03, 2024, 11:42:20 AM
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Bitcoin as the first cryptocurrency was not just created for investment purpose, it was actually created as a means of payment
Actually, bitcoin was never created for investment purposes. You correctly noted that the initial idea put into bitcoin was a means for payments for goods and services.

and to be honest, the adoption process isn't as fast as expected,
Reality doesn't necessarily have to match expectations. Smiley

but one thing that am very curious about and I have been thinking on how to go about it as a business man while accepting it as a means of payment is it volatility, though it might be advantageous for holders, but am not that certain for a business men.
For any business that accepts bitcoin as a means of payment, volatility is a headache. I believe that all income received in bitcoin should be classified as investments (for several years ahead, at least) and excluded (temporarily) from the business turnover. Because when the price falls, it will be unprofitable to "cash" these bitcoin and, in a sense, the income received in bitcoin is temporarily "frozen", because it cannot (unprofitably) be "extracted" into profit or directed to support and development of the business.

In a situation whereby you accept it as a means of payment while selling off your goods, then when  you are out of stock, so you decide to restock your shop, so by then price of Bitcoin has dip so much that you can't buy all the goods needed in your shop, due to the fact that your money has depreciate in value because of the dip, what is the way forward in such a situation if your emergency funds can't cover up for the shortage?
It is better not to allow such a situation, for which it is necessary to have reserves, and income in bitcoin should be “temporarily excluded” from the company’s cash flow.
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October 03, 2024, 11:38:27 AM
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In a situation whereby you accept it as a means of payment while selling off your goods, then when  you are out of stock, so you decide to restock your shop, so by then price of Bitcoin has dip so much that you can't buy all the goods needed in your shop, due to the fact that your money has depreciate in value because of the dip, what is the way forward in such a situation if your emergency funds can't cover up for the shortage?
Being a business man, you ought to understand that in business, you either loss or make profit. It’s just how it is when it comes to money.

What’s there to also know is that, if your accepting Bitcoin for a means of payment for goods and services as a merchant, you ain’t taking just the currency but actually reinvested in a digital asset which in this case is Bitcoin.
Variety in means of payment is mostly due to customer and merchant convince but, Bitcoin payment extends to an investment.

If you’re concerned about volatility, your best option would be to sell the coins you received or perhaps swap it for a stablecoin and hold till you’re ready to restock. Otherwise, you’ll just be well grounded on how the Bitcoin price works and be open to its outcome when you’re ready to restock. It’s always going to be a profit or loss outcome.
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October 03, 2024, 11:19:18 AM
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Bitcoin as the first cryptocurrency was not just created for investment purpose, it was actually created as a means of payment and to be honest, the adoption process isn't as fast as expected, but one thing that am very curious about and I have been thinking on how to go about it as a business man while accepting it as a means of payment is it volatility, though it might be advantageous for holders, but am not that certain for a business men.

In a situation whereby you accept it as a means of payment while selling off your goods, then when  you are out of stock, so you decide to restock your shop, so by then price of Bitcoin has dip so much that you can't buy all the goods needed in your shop, due to the fact that your money has depreciate in value because of the dip, what is the way forward in such a situation if your emergency funds can't cover up for the shortage?

Bitcoin is good for a business owner or runners too, you just have to understand what you are getting yourself into.

1. Make sure your customers are ready to pay you in BTC.
2. Make up your mind on what to do after every successful transactions, exchange to USDT or move into your cold storage for long term.

I am a fashion designer and I still accept Bitcoin as means of payment, but since the last high congestion on Bitcoin network accepting BTC have reduced a lot, here is what I always do with my Bitcoin.

Once a customer paid into my BTC address I store the profit in a hardware wallet and swap the rest to USDT, I have to, this is the only way to use the money to restock some goods back in store, and patiently pray for another customer.
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October 03, 2024, 11:12:33 AM
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In this matter, it is better to still use fiat than moves into Bitcoin because there are an unstable fees that happen to Bitcoin. We may not know when that will appear but that can happen anytime. Yes, it is better to hold Bitcoin for a long term than receive as a means of payment. If you still want to do that, make sure Bitcoin is legal in your country but I see in @OP's country, Bitcoin is illegal so that will not good for him to accept Bitcoin as a mean of payment no matter if his customer asking for that. And with the volatility of Bitcoin price, that will not make someone happy to pay a high fee of transaction so he will choose to hold his Bitcoin than to use it as a mean of payment.
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October 03, 2024, 09:38:20 AM
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I think it would already become a mistake if a stock trader who accepts bitcoin for payments stores their funds bitcoin Instead of converting it to stable coins like USDT once received the payment.
It's only advised to let your funds be on bitcoin if you're ready to be a hodler which means you're alternatively diversifying your source of income to bitcoin and then you can always take your profits to promote your stocks.
Aside this hedging I don't think of any possible strategy to recover the lost unless you're ready to shutdown your stocks shop and focuses to hold on bitcoin investment and hodl untill you regain your losses.
He should also understand the extent to which customers are willing to accept bitcoin payments because forcing bitcoin payments should not make his business worse. Not all places people choose to pay for things with bitcoin and it would be very dangerous if he forced people to use bitcoin and should have offered the option as a convenience measure for his customers. Many people prefer bitcoin as an investment asset rather than using it as a means of transaction like fiat in general.

The reason is because of the habit of everyday use which makes people a little worried about this method. This is different if this is the case in El Salvador because it does not have an official currency like most countries so implementing bitcoin as a means of purchasing would be much more easily accepted.
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October 03, 2024, 08:51:41 AM
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In a situation whereby you accept it as a means of payment while selling off your goods, then when  you are out of stock, so you decide to restock your shop, so by then price of Bitcoin has dip so much that you can't buy all the goods needed in your shop, due to the fact that your money has depreciate in value because of the dip, what is the way forward in such a situation if your emergency funds can't cover up for the shortage?

I think it would already become a mistake if a stock trader who accepts bitcoin for payments stores their funds bitcoin Instead of converting it to stable coins like USDT once received the payment.
It's only advised to let your funds be on bitcoin if you're ready to be a hodler which means you're alternatively diversifying your source of income to bitcoin and then you can always take your profits to promote your stocks.
Aside this hedging I don't think of any possible strategy to recover the lost unless you're ready to shutdown your stocks shop and focuses to hold on bitcoin investment and hodl untill you regain your losses.
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October 03, 2024, 08:30:04 AM
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Bitcoin is a digital currency and indeed many people now use BTC for investment assets, but there are also those who use BTC as a means of payment. Yes, the process of adopting BTC definitely takes time and up to now of course there are still people who don't know about BTC. but of course over time I think the number of people adopting BTC is increasing and of course this is good progress.

Indeed, a businessman will certainly think twice about using BTC as a means of payment because yes, the reason as you mentioned is because of the fluctuations in the price of BTC, which of course means that people who receive payments in BTC will have the potential to make a profit or potentially lose because of course the BTC price is the same. always up and down.

In my opinion, if a company or shop accepts payments in BTC, it will certainly have the potential for bigger profits, but of course for people who can sell BTC prices when the price rises. And of course, it is also possible for a company or shop to receive payments in BTC, which will potentially suffer losses if it sells BTC when the price of BTC is falling, for example receiving BTC payments when the price of BTC is $60k but the BTC is sold when the price is $58k. In my opinion, if a company or shop wants to accept payments using BTC, of ​​course it needs very large capital and the capital must be really large with the aim that when we fill our empty merchandise we don't sell BTC if for example the price of BTC is falling. So of course, only sell BTC when there is a profit, so in my opinion, in this case, large capital is what is really needed for companies that are interested in accepting payments using BTC.
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October 03, 2024, 06:45:47 AM
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Then as for the transaction fee, it's actually another problem when doing business with it, especially when it has gone high, because you will be asking yourself how much you want to gain that you will be paying such a huge amount as transaction fee when it transaction fee has gone high
As the merchant, it is your customers that have to worry more about tx fees, because they cover the fees when they are spending in your store and you only have to cover fees when you want to liquidate your BTC for fiat.

The question you should ask yourself is how many % of your customers pay with BTC, if the number is not much, you can then liquidate BTC only on a mothly basis, that way you'll be lucky enough to carry out your tx when the mempool is free and you will have enough fiat to take care of your business without being in a hurry to sell off your BTC. Now if most of your clients pay with BTC, which is unlikely, use a payment processor.
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October 03, 2024, 05:46:46 AM
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There is no evidence to prove that bitcoin was not created for investment because satoshi nakamoto programmed a bitcoin to the extent that it will serve for different option

that is why currently you can use Bitcoin for both investment and also for exchange of goods and services even for purchasing of things I will say that there's nobody that knows the plan of satoshi to bring Bitcoin as a currency, for me I will say that he brought bitcoin for investment majorly

We use Bitcoin as an investment asset because it has gained so much attention around the world and it has a limited supply so it tends to go up in value over time when the demand increases further, but you are wrong when you say it was created majorly for investment purposes because that isn't true.

so there is no evidence to show my bitcoin is not meant for investment from satoshi

I just showed you the proof above that Bitcoin wasn't created to become an investment asset.
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October 03, 2024, 04:10:35 AM
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In a situation whereby you accept it as a means of payment while selling off your goods, then when  you are out of stock, so you decide to restock your shop, so by then price of Bitcoin has dip so much that you can't buy all the goods needed in your shop, due to the fact that your money has depreciate in value because of the dip, what is the way forward in such a situation if your emergency funds can't cover up for the shortage?
What I can tell you is a way to prevent ending up in this situation. Once you get the payment in bitcoin, you can exchange at least a percentage of that bitcoin to stablecoin or fiat whichever you want to serve as a back up plan. Don’t hold everything in bitcoin as we all know the value is indeed volatile and while using it as a payment method we can’t deny that it still has its risks.

You would also need to come up with strategic purchasing of supplies. Depending on the nature of your business if you can buy as much when bitcoin’s price is still high then by all means do that so you wouldn’t experience shortages.

Yeah, there should be a supply of stables or fiat to cover that up, just like you said.
Otherwise, the volatility of the BTC would ruin the business of a person.

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