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Topic: AMA (Ask Me Anything): The current state of Bitcoin in the Philippines 🇵🇭 (Read 2086 times)

mk4
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Apologies for the late reply. I stopped monitoring this thread when it stopped gaining any responses.

There was an e-peso bill made by some Senator ... I don't know what happened to that. Also, the boxing champion Manny Pacquiao set up his own token or coin, I'm not too sure of the finer details of that. Should be on the news somewhere.
As I can see,now a days we observe the spreading of the bitcoin currency but not only the bitcoin, also the other currency that also known. As far as i know, our current senator, Manny Pacquiao is releasing his own coins tokens. But i don't think it works here in the Philippines. Also many Filipinos are still using the e wallet such as Coins and other wallet that was introduced to us.Long time ago, bitcoin has been on Philippine news. It said that it is applicable to used like this kind of cryptocurrency.
Definitely a very interesting move. But instead of creating another separate and hugely unnecessary cryptocurrency, Pac and the team should've just sticked with existing cryptocurrencies. I'm 95% sure this is just some crypto project by some random team that asked permission from Pac if they can use his name for the project.

In fairness, the Government is just neutral in regards to crypto. What I hate is people using crypto as a mean to scam other people by using the word bitcoin investment as their scheme. This makes a bad impression to people who is not really familiar to bitcoin.
Oh definitely. I always wished the government went a lot harder into finding these no-life scammers.

As for the government being neutral, I think it just isn't that big yet for them to actually acknowledge it and somewhat regulate it. My guess that in the next bull run, there will be more laws and regulations concerning bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
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In fairness, the Government is just neutral in regards to crypto. What I hate is people using crypto as a mean to scam other people by using the word bitcoin investment as their scheme. This makes a bad impression to people who is not really familiar to bitcoin.
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As requested by Jet Cash:

Can you guys start some threads about crypto in the Philippines. They get lost if they are short(ish) replies in other threads, and one can't use them to start discussions.

I'm a dude currently residing somewhere in the Philippines. This topic is for people who are genuinely curious on how bitcoin(or cryptocurrencies in general) is doing here in the Philippines.

Feel free to ask serious questions related to the current state of Bitcoin in the Philippines and I'll try my best to answer them as soon as possible.




Public perception

Bitcoin is decently known here in the Philippines, especially for the teenager-young adult crowd. Unfortunately though, bitcoin is just mostly a investment and a sort of "mirage" that scammers and the uneducated people use to spread their ponzi scheme referral links. Even in the information technology crowd, a huge majority still think that bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general are just investments(even if they most definitely have the capabilities into understanding what bitcoin actually is, and what it's for), with only a very small minority that's actually passionate about bitcoin whether they're financially invested or not. So yeah, a lot of "when moon" people.

I personally know a few people in the technology industry that "invested" in XRP on it's all time high, without doing any research at all. A lot just claim that "XRP is a long hold". Pretty ironic that they're the demographic that you expect to do a lot of research; and also ironic that they actually sold at the crash even though they said that they would hold for years. LOL

Online social media groups concerning bitcoin are pretty much just breeding grounds for ponzi referral links. It's pretty sad, but it's something that's really expected due to the high percentage of poverty.

A lot of people(the older demographic) also thinks that bitcoin is a scam, simply because all they see on news television is those "bitcoin investment" ponzi schemes get caught up and raided by the police. I really don't blame them sometimes, as the media frequently word their titles quite inaccurately(or maybe on purpose, to spark more controversy).


Usability

The Philippines has Coins.ph, which is pretty much Philippine's Coinbase, but a lot better. With Coins.ph, you can pay your credit card bills, utility bills, telecom bills, government-related bills, insurance, etc, you name it! With that, you can also buy game credits and buy mobile load through the app. Pretty kick-ass if you ask me. Not to mention that you get a decent percentage of cashbacks(up to 10%) after every purchase.

About deposits to Coins.ph, you can deposit money to Coins.ph by simply going to a 7-Eleven store(which is pretty much almost everywhere), and using their digital kiosk. Fees aren't that bad either.

Take note though, that even though a lot of people are using Coins.ph due to the cashbacks and convenience, it doesn't necessarily mean that a lot of people use bitcoin in the Philippines. I think a significant amount of people just use Coins.ph to pay bills using the fiat wallet, instead of the bitcoin wallet.

I think there's a decent number of people who use bitcoin to send and receive bitcoin back and forth from the Philippines to whatever foreign country, but yea, a small minority.


Government Regulations

The Philippine government is just pretty much "meh" on bitcoin. As far as I know, they haven't legalized nor illegalized bitcoin or cryptocurrencies in general, they pretty much just let it slip. They're more focused on closing those ponzi schemes. The government is pretty much just approving left and right the opening of crypto-related businesses. I really don't think they care that much; as long as there's more taxes to collect, they're probably happy.



P.S. Abra and Coins.ph are the leading wallet-exchanges in the Philippines; with Coins.ph being the most well known.



EDIT: I think I should've made this top self-moderated.
As I can see,now a days we observe the spreading of the bitcoin currency but not only the bitcoin, also the other currency that also known. As far as i know, our current senator, Manny Pacquiao is releasing his own coins tokens. But i don't think it works here in the Philippines. Also many Filipinos are still using the e wallet such as Coins and other wallet that was introduced to us.Long time ago, bitcoin has been on Philippine news. It said that it is applicable to used like this kind of cryptocurrency.
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There was an e-peso bill made by some Senator ... I don't know what happened to that. Also, the boxing champion Manny Pacquiao set up his own token or coin, I'm not too sure of the finer details of that. Should be on the news somewhere.
Posted about it the day I had known it was released.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/manny-pacquiao-has-own-cryptocurrency-called-pac-5184218
Alot of good points being stated there and also which exchange the token will be trading on.
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There was an e-peso bill made by some Senator ... I don't know what happened to that. Also, the boxing champion Manny Pacquiao set up his own token or coin, I'm not too sure of the finer details of that. Should be on the news somewhere.
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Are things better with crypto in the Philippines than in the US?

Depends on what aspect.

In terms of public perception, no. Most still look at bitcoin as either a scam or a get-rich-quick scheme. You're lucky to meet a person outside Manila(the Philippines' capital city) that's genuinely interested in bitcoin.

In terms of laws and regulations, I'd say yes. Bitcoin isn't that hot yet on the Philippine government's radar as of now. The US is currently a lot stricter.

In terms of adoption, while the Philippines has Coins.ph which is one great of an app, the US still wins here.
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Are things better with crypto in the Philippines than in the US?
mk4
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It is not only in Philippine bit virtually everywhere, poverty rate is increasing and this is showing sign of weakness of the government, it is like they really don't care again about the citizens unlike it used to be in the past, and all they just care about right now are infrastructures and how to beautify the country which make so much sense because when you beautify a country and people are dying of poverty, who would use it?

Yes, it's definitely almost the same where on other countries with high poverty rates like India, but definitely a lot less in more economically healthy countries(compared to 3rd world countries at least) like the United States.

The worst thing is that, even though some(or most?) poor countries might be focusing more or aesthetics of the country than actually helping their citizens, you actually don't see that much advancements. The Philippines' capital, Manila, is a good example of this. Everything's shitty as ever besides business-owned properties. Good 'ol corruption
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It is sad to hear that there are still people that believes Bitcoin is a scam. We are talking about a cryptocurrency that has been growing for 10 years. Bitcoin is the most valuable cryptocurrency now and it is going to a better level.

Well, we cannot help it, there are lots of scam company that takes advantage of Bitcoin's decentralized nature and exploit it to scam investors.  I have encountered many of them and they really are good in words.  If one is unaware the true nature of Bitcoin and its purpose and usage, they can easily persuade them into joining their investment scam.  There are lots of them lurking around the Philippines network marketing industry.

The main factor for these people why they think Bitcoin is scam is due to the lack of knowledge and first hand experience of losing money after falling to these scam company that exploit Bitcoin.
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, and this is why we are having lots of them being scammed because scammers also are taking advantage of the fact they are desperate about making money to exploit them.
It's all down to their greed, when these sort of newbies are in a hurry for speedy money they throw reason away and no longer perceive what looks too good to be true.
They fall for scammers claiming to double bitcoins, those claiming to sell at a crazily low price than the original price, they even fall for those asking for private keys.

If only knowledge and learning would take prominence first in the minds of these peoplel, then they'll learn more about the bitcoin, increasing their knowledge about the network and making it almost impossible to fall for cheap scam.
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I'm a member too on that facebook group, as I observed on some posts of members especially those newbies they are much eager to earn easy than understanding first how bitcoin works (sad but true, but I understand them, they are still newbies).

Lol yea. That's pretty much 98% of people in Philippine bitcoin/crypto Facebook groups in general. Majority still think that bitcoin is a moneymaking scheme than what it really is. I don't think I really can blame the people though. Poverty rate is still high, and as well as the percentage of people that aren't lling to do the hard work but instead prefer "easy money".
It is not only in Philippine bit virtually everywhere, poverty rate is increasing and this is showing sign of weakness of the government, it is like they really don't care again about the citizens unlike it used to be in the past, and all they just care about right now are infrastructures and how to beautify the country which make so much sense because when you beautify a country and people are dying of poverty, who would use it?

Let me not digress from the main point now, people are basically just taking the system as money making program like you earlier mentioned, and this is why we are having lots of them being scammed because scammers also are taking advantage of the fact they are desperate about making money to exploit them.
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I'm a member too on that facebook group, as I observed on some posts of members especially those newbies they are much eager to earn easy than understanding first how bitcoin works (sad but true, but I understand them, they are still newbies).

Lol yea. That's pretty much 98% of people in Philippine bitcoin/crypto Facebook groups in general. Majority still think that bitcoin is a moneymaking scheme than what it really is. I don't think I really can blame the people though. Poverty rate is still high, and as well as the percentage of people that aren't lling to do the hard work but instead prefer "easy money".
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The group from Binance Filipino has been going around the Philippines, I haven't attended any of their events yet but its a good way of introducing to the people what Bitcoin or Crytocurrency is all about. This September 21 they are going to Ilocos at Hotel Luna Vigan City. September 28 they are going to Davao at Go Hotels in Lanang. At least this group is not focused in the National Capital Region which is Metro Manila area.
I'm a member too on that facebook group, as I observed on some posts of members especially those newbies they are much eager to earn easy than understanding first how bitcoin works (sad but true, but I understand them, they are still newbies).
This kind of events is quite good for bringing news and adoption for Bitcoin or cryptocurrency in the country, I wish I am able to participate in their events soon, thanks for those dates.
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Sure, but the demographic of filipinos that actually know what bitcoin is and is promoting bitcoin in a non-scammy way is very very small. I'd argue that the decently knowledgeable people is even lower than 5% of the bitcoin "enthusiasts" in the Philippines.
The group from Binance Filipino has been going around the Philippines, I haven't attended any of their events yet but its a good way of introducing to the people what Bitcoin or Crytocurrency is all about. This September 21 they are going to Ilocos at Hotel Luna Vigan City. September 28 they are going to Davao at Go Hotels in Lanang. At least this group is not focused in the National Capital Region which is Metro Manila area.
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Most of the people have known bitcoin as a scam because they fully believed on what social media has been saying.
It's more of on the television media than social media to be honest(even though there are a lot of scams being spammed on social media). Some people on social media tend to call out these idiotic news on social media, like this one: https://www.facebook.com/manilabulletin/photos/a.147434127984/10158103662047985/

But for some Filipinos who know exactly what bitcoin is, they tend to promote bitcoin in a special way like posting bitcoin updates in their own facebook account.
Sure, but the demographic of filipinos that actually know what bitcoin is and is promoting bitcoin in a non-scammy way is very very small. I'd argue that the decently knowledgeable people is even lower than 5% of the bitcoin "enthusiasts" in the Philippines.
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Unfortunately, Bitcoin here in the Philippines is known to be used in scams thanks to Mavrodis MMM scheme that scammed a lot of people in the province like in the Visayas and Mindanao Region. However, it is slowly being accepted as a good investment. Just like what happened to me last night at Starbucks when someone saw me browsing at my Binance dashboard, I think there we're 2 or 3 guys passed by who asked how Bitcoin is doing so far or if price of Bitcoin increased. 
mk4
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So, how's the trading and the liquidity at Coins Pro? I never liked the fixed pricing in Coins.ph. It is hard to time the buying of BTC at an overseas exchange and sending it to Coins.ph to sell at a higher price. Thank goodness, they also accept Ethereum though.

Coins Pro isn't fully released yet, so you'd have to join the wait list to be able to test things out, so expect the liquidity to be not-so-good. Personally haven't traded using it though, I'm just a little bit too used to USD pricing. The UI looks fine, but seeing PHP prices is just weird and foreign to me.

For now, if you're sending funds to the Philippines via bitcoin, I'd suggest you do it through Abra.com instead. Yes, you can't set your own prices as well, but the prices tend to be better. Probably around 1-2% less cuts compared to Coinsph. Not that big of a difference but it does add up.
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bump! I'm bored and willing to answer questions.

So, how's the trading and the liquidity at Coins Pro? I never liked the fixed pricing in Coins.ph. It is hard to time the buying of BTC at an overseas exchange and sending it to Coins.ph to sell at a higher price. Thank goodness, they also accept Ethereum though.
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Thanks for the replies guys. Yeah it just threw me for a loop. I imagine some kids might be looking for name changes down the road if they wind up going international.
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I personally haven't heard of a person with that exact name, but names like that are pretty uncommon in the Philippines. For some reason people here has some weird naming habits. Along with what crwth stated, I met a kid here in the Philippines in the past named Cutie Pie. Like what the hell. The parents are pretty much asking for their kid to be bullied in shool lmao(I hope the kid didn't).
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