Pages:
Author

Topic: AMD Brand New APU! (Read 9288 times)

full member
Activity: 173
Merit: 100
July 13, 2011, 11:32:34 AM
#24
You are overpaying for the 60mh/s AND paying more electricity as the APU uses more power then a CPU with the same power.  And you are using 50 watts over a sempron 140 that would make the most sense in mining.
Sorry but your logic is flawed and you are simply wrong.

You're saying that using a Sempron 140 sitting around doing nothing and draining 50w is better than an APU hashing at 65-75mh/s and draining nearly the same energy?

You think the APU will drain 100w at 65mh/s?

Nope.  The 5870m in my Alienware laptop has a TDP of 50w and hashes at 152mh/s at stock clock.  The APU was designed from the Mobility series and has an even higher efficiency rating than the Mobility series.  So, like I said, the hashing power of the APU is nearly free (compared to an equivalent CPU).

There is no reason to build a rig from this point forward with a useless CPU when you could be using that slot for efficient extra hashing.
Sorry, but you are simply wrong. 

The a8 that will do 65 mh/s APU is rated at 100W and the Sempron is rated at 45w.  You are paying $90 more for the cpu, and you are drawing 55w more power.  The Sempron has only one core (at least one turned on), the A8 has four.  Even idle they waste some power. 

You say the hashing power is free.  It is not and I am not wrong.






You're practically saying that while the APU is hashing, the CPU will also have high load? If only the APU is hashing, the CPU cores will idle, thus not consuming the full TDP of the chip.

And dont compare the power consumption of a discrete card to the power consumption of the APU which is only a slice of the chip. The APU will be comparable in performance to a 5570 or 6570 but the TDP of the APU alone is lower than the TDP of any of the said cards. That 100w is both CPU and mini GPU, and if I was buying one of these chips, I definitely wont buy the A8-3850. I will choose the A8-3800 which only have 65w TDP.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
July 13, 2011, 10:54:26 AM
#23
Mining on an APU and a video card at the same time was pretty much whole the premise of the thread, can anyone confirm that they are doing or have done this?
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
July 12, 2011, 10:29:21 PM
#22
I have a pretty minimalist mining setup with an entry-level AMD APU (E-350 on Sapphire motherboard) and one Sapphire 5830. Is there some way to mine with the on-chip 6310 while using the 5830 at the same time? The 5830 is device 0 and there is no device 1. The 6310 only does ~10 MHash but that's 10 more than I'm getting now.

Did you update to SDK 2.4?

If I remember correctly I am running SDK 2.4 (95% sure but I don't know where I would check that). Will this not work with certain versions?
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1004
July 12, 2011, 10:15:39 PM
#21
You are overpaying for the 60mh/s AND paying more electricity as the APU uses more power then a CPU with the same power.  And you are using 50 watts over a sempron 140 that would make the most sense in mining.
Sorry but your logic is flawed and you are simply wrong.

You're saying that using a Sempron 140 sitting around doing nothing and draining 50w is better than an APU hashing at 65-75mh/s and draining nearly the same energy?

You think the APU will drain 100w at 65mh/s?

Nope.  The 5870m in my Alienware laptop has a TDP of 50w and hashes at 152mh/s at stock clock.  The APU was designed from the Mobility series and has an even higher efficiency rating than the Mobility series.  So, like I said, the hashing power of the APU is nearly free (compared to an equivalent CPU).

There is no reason to build a rig from this point forward with a useless CPU when you could be using that slot for efficient extra hashing.
Sorry, but you are simply wrong. 

The a8 that will do 65 mh/s APU is rated at 100W and the Sempron is rated at 45w.  You are paying $90 more for the cpu, and you are drawing 55w more power.  The Sempron has only one core (at least one turned on), the A8 has four.  Even idle they waste some power. 

You say the hashing power is free.  It is not and I am not wrong.




hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
July 12, 2011, 09:06:00 PM
#20
I have a pretty minimalist mining setup with an entry-level AMD APU (E-350 on Sapphire motherboard) and one Sapphire 5830. Is there some way to mine with the on-chip 6310 while using the 5830 at the same time? The 5830 is device 0 and there is no device 1. The 6310 only does ~10 MHash but that's 10 more than I'm getting now.

Did you update to SDK 2.4?
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
July 12, 2011, 07:43:24 PM
#19
I have a pretty minimalist mining setup with an entry-level AMD APU (E-350 on Sapphire motherboard) and one Sapphire 5830. Is there some way to mine with the on-chip 6310 while using the 5830 at the same time? The 5830 is device 0 and there is no device 1. The 6310 only does ~10 MHash but that's 10 more than I'm getting now.
legendary
Activity: 1012
Merit: 1000
July 12, 2011, 07:03:05 PM
#18
You are overpaying for the 60mh/s AND paying more electricity as the APU uses more power then a CPU with the same power.  And you are using 50 watts over a sempron 140 that would make the most sense in mining.
Sorry but your logic is flawed and you are simply wrong.

You're saying that using a Sempron 140 sitting around doing nothing and draining 50w is better than an APU hashing at 65-75mh/s and draining nearly the same energy?

You think the APU will drain 100w at 65mh/s?

Nope.  The 5870m in my Alienware laptop has a TDP of 50w and hashes at 152mh/s at stock clock.  The APU was designed from the Mobility series and has an even higher efficiency rating than the Mobility series.  So, like I said, the hashing power of the APU is nearly free (compared to an equivalent CPU).

There is no reason to build a rig from this point forward with a useless CPU when you could be using that slot for efficient extra hashing.
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1004
July 12, 2011, 10:15:24 AM
#17
what about the

-Boost visual performance by at least 40% when you combine an AMD A-Series APU with select AMD Radeon HD 6000 Series graphics cards. if a 6990 is hashing at 800 and 40% increase would add 320 mh/s? wouldn't that be well worth the extra money?

That is marketing-speak from AMD.  Notice the word 'select' in there.  If you have a 6990 and switch to an APU cpu you will get 60 MH/s or so for mining from the APU.  It will not change depending on your main video card.
newbie
Activity: 45
Merit: 0
July 12, 2011, 09:36:52 AM
#16
what about the

-Boost visual performance by at least 40% when you combine an AMD A-Series APU with select AMD Radeon HD 6000 Series graphics cards. if a 6990 is hashing at 800 and 40% increase would add 320 mh/s? wouldn't that be well worth the extra money?
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1004
July 11, 2011, 10:33:14 PM
#15
Because if you put the $90 into a better card you in most cases would get more
That's a silly argument.

1.  The discrete card will require more equivalent power than the nearly free hashing power from the integrated GPU.
2.  The discrete card will use up a valuable pcie slot on the mobo (if you are going for full density.)
3.  On normal rigs the CPU slot is wasted by an inefficent SLA-256 calculator.  The APU remedies this.
4.  All other things being equal, a rig built with the APU will outhash the same rig built with a standard CPU.

There really is no argument.

Spending $90 more for 60MH/s is silly. 

Your point 1 is wrong.  You are not getting free hashing power.  You are overpaying for the 60mh/s AND paying more electricity as the APU uses more power then a CPU with the same power.  And you are using 50 watts over a sempron 140 that would make the most sense in mining.

$90 will buy a 5770 that will do 1/3 more hashes then the APU

going from a 5830 to a 5870 will cost about $90 and give you more then 60 MH/S
going from a 6950 to a 6970 will cost about $90 or less and give you more then 60 MH/S



legendary
Activity: 1012
Merit: 1000
July 11, 2011, 08:07:36 PM
#14
Because if you put the $90 into a better card you in most cases would get more
That's a silly argument.

1.  The discrete card will require more equivalent power than the nearly free hashing power from the integrated GPU.
2.  The discrete card will use up a valuable pcie slot on the mobo (if you are going for full density.)
3.  On normal rigs the CPU slot is wasted by an inefficent SLA-256 calculator.  The APU remedies this.
4.  All other things being equal, a rig built with the APU will outhash the same rig built with a standard CPU.

There really is no argument.
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1004
July 11, 2011, 06:06:36 PM
#13
Because if you put the $90 into a better card you in most cases would get more. I admit if you are at a 6970 or 6990 there is no better card for just just $90 so there may be some use cases for it.

legendary
Activity: 1012
Merit: 1000
July 11, 2011, 05:16:44 PM
#12
If you're building a new rig this makes a lot of sense.  Use one of these in addition to your dedicated GPU arsenal for an extra 70mh/s or whatever (per rig).  The question is why wouldn't you?
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1004
July 09, 2011, 09:27:22 PM
#11
So far a user has reported 63 mh/s as far as I know.  Now you can get a sempron 140 for $90 less then the APU?  It would be better to put that $90 into a discrete card, or upgrading to a better discrete card vs the APU currently. 

You may be able to overclock the APU to 90mh/s. 
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
July 09, 2011, 09:10:12 PM
#10
well that was what i wondered about this new apu, since you are able to get a board with crossfire. and run 2 video cards with it.

Crossfire is shitty anyway.  It is enabled on a per game basis in the drivers and there is no easy way to get around it.  So your 2nd card will sit around doing nothing most of the time.
full member
Activity: 180
Merit: 100
July 09, 2011, 07:19:51 PM
#9
It will be interesting to see exactly how much these add to rig's hashing power...whether or not it will be worth the extra $$ remains to be seen...
newbie
Activity: 45
Merit: 0
July 09, 2011, 05:58:17 PM
#8
well that was what i wondered about this new apu, since you are able to get a board with crossfire. and run 2 video cards with it.
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
July 09, 2011, 05:12:50 PM
#7
Not worthwhile to make a dedicated rig for, but in conjunctions with GPUs, might make an ok choice, depending on available motherboards. Decently low TDP too I believe.
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 251
July 09, 2011, 05:06:50 PM
#6
This just competes with Intel's onboard-graphics-on-the-same-chip. You aren't going to get much out of them for mining; they're intended for cheap systems.

Intel GMA onboard chips on CPUs are useless for anything besides putting out an image to the screen though. Useless for OpenCL mining as well.

With the new Zambezi and Bulldozer type processors, there are about 600SP on the die itself. That's almost the performance of a Radeon 5750.
Someone on the forum reported getting over 100mhash/s out of these.
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
July 09, 2011, 02:24:47 PM
#5
This just competes with Intel's onboard-graphics-on-the-same-chip. You aren't going to get much out of them for mining; they're intended for cheap systems.
Pages:
Jump to: