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Topic: AMD Zen CPU's: Ryzen and Naples - page 2. (Read 4641 times)

sr. member
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February 15, 2017, 06:22:31 PM
#8
You are forgetting about new gpus. CPU mining will never be as good as GPU mining due to CPU to GPU cost comparison. If you invest same amount of money into CPU and GPU mining you would get ROI much faster on GPU rigs.

There will always be new CPU's and GPU's

CPU mining rigs are not so convenient but I figure that GPU shack setup exist for a reason. Looking at this page there are CPU's that can mine a decant amount on XMR and there may be future coins that do well for CPU's. CPU's also have the chance to really farm up some early alts and sell on the pump http://monerobechmarks.byethost5.com/

ill add the following (it is afaik not confirmed, we will need to see):

small question to joblo (or anyone competent in that field, im not Tongue)

i just read the following about upcoming ryzen arch:

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AMD left out 256bit AVX to save space and power to allow for higher clocks, but it can still decode avx, but it uses 2x128 bit, so it takes 2 cycles for 1 avx instruction.

if this turns out to be true, does it have an impact on mining speeds? i suppose yes

cheers

It will reduce the compute power of AVX2 code which will affect some algos, mostly Lyra2 based algos, algos that use
cubehash (x11 family) and Hodl, essentially any algo that reports AVX2 capability. However, if an algo is I/O bound a small
loss in compute power may not affect the hashrate significantly. I'd think twice before buying one for mining.

Edit: I expect the performance to be equal to AVX, maybe a little better.

Edit: I don't know what will happen to AVX2 intrinsic or assembly code. If Ryzen doesn't recongize AVX2 instructions it may
have to rely on the compiler not to generate them. That won't work for hardcoded AVX2. If, on the other hand, Ryzen
internally converts them to their AVX equivalent that won't be a problem.


im not sure about the server cpus, they will likely have the avx 256 included (?), would be interesting to see their performance if so

There just had to be something missing. I'll have to look into what avx256 is needed for before making a Ryzn rig. Probably not happening this year anyway for me.
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February 15, 2017, 06:43:21 AM
#7
It will definitely be worth testing as there might be something to learn.  If you're not learning in mining you're falling behind, I will be testing a Ryzen setup for CPU mining and prepping the rig the Vega Grin.



please post your findings when you have the system ready Smiley

We will see what I can do, it will be a first crack at AMD CPU mining on a new release so anything can happen.
 
hero member
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February 15, 2017, 06:21:52 AM
#6
It will definitely be worth testing as there might be something to learn.  If you're not learning in mining you're falling behind, I will be testing a Ryzen setup for CPU mining and prepping the rig the Vega Grin.



please post your findings when you have the system ready Smiley
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February 15, 2017, 06:20:45 AM
#5
It will definitely be worth testing as there might be something to learn.  If you're not learning in mining you're falling behind, I will be testing a Ryzen setup for CPU mining and prepping the rig for Vega Grin.

legendary
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February 15, 2017, 06:14:51 AM
#4
You are forgetting about new gpus. CPU mining will never be as good as GPU mining due to CPU to GPU cost comparison. If you invest same amount of money into CPU and GPU mining you would get ROI much faster on GPU rigs.
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February 15, 2017, 06:03:38 AM
#3
Doubtful it will make much sense CPU minning with it. But still good thing for comepetition and putting some presure on Intel.
hero member
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February 15, 2017, 05:48:38 AM
#2
ill add the following (it is afaik not confirmed, we will need to see):

small question to joblo (or anyone competent in that field, im not Tongue)

i just read the following about upcoming ryzen arch:

Quote
AMD left out 256bit AVX to save space and power to allow for higher clocks, but it can still decode avx, but it uses 2x128 bit, so it takes 2 cycles for 1 avx instruction.

if this turns out to be true, does it have an impact on mining speeds? i suppose yes

cheers

It will reduce the compute power of AVX2 code which will affect some algos, mostly Lyra2 based algos, algos that use
cubehash (x11 family) and Hodl, essentially any algo that reports AVX2 capability. However, if an algo is I/O bound a small
loss in compute power may not affect the hashrate significantly. I'd think twice before buying one for mining.

Edit: I expect the performance to be equal to AVX, maybe a little better.

Edit: I don't know what will happen to AVX2 intrinsic or assembly code. If Ryzen doesn't recongize AVX2 instructions it may
have to rely on the compiler not to generate them. That won't work for hardcoded AVX2. If, on the other hand, Ryzen
internally converts them to their AVX equivalent that won't be a problem.


im not sure about the server cpus, they will likely have the avx 256 included (?), would be interesting to see their performance if so
sr. member
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February 15, 2017, 01:29:13 AM
#1
Most here probably heard about all the Ryzen hype. CPU's that are 8 cores and 16 threads with a greater GHz/Watts ratio for a 1/3rd to 1/4th the price of Intel

Something not mny talk about is the AMD server Zen based CPU's currently under the name Naples

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3159132/servers/amd-tries-to-drum-up-support-for-32-core-zen-server-chip.html

These are up to 32 cores which exceeds the Xeon CPU's right now and we could speculate they will be cheaper and more powerful than Xeon. This could be a game changer for CPU mining some coins like XMR or CPU mining new altcoins. GPU shack has a 128 core machine built that mines 3800H/s on XMR at 1000watts. It would take less motherboards and total CPU's to do that with AMD


I doubt many here will build CPU mining rigs but do you think that we will see an invrease in CPU mining from people with their regular computers and a few people going the server route once a few generations pass and these chips are being sold used for cheap as well as the motherboards?
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