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August 17, 2015, 01:39:23 PM
#27
Everything is very tied together but one of the things that has changed in the last few years is the militarization of the police. 

There's a TV series called The Wire, I don't know if you've seen it. The play gives a broad view on american society in general, especially on the police and it's ideology, it's motives, the reasons why it doesn't function the way it should. Among these reasons  very significant is what you're talking about - the police officers who feel their role is to wage war against the poor neighborhoods with high crime rate, to anyone who thinks of opposing them in any way. This show has influenced greatly in my image of USA, although I realize it doesn't have so much to do with reality as one could think - the reality must be muche worse.
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August 16, 2015, 01:30:49 PM
#26
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So stealing the cash from the vehicles of honest hard working citizens of the United States is now a game with honorific awards to the cop who can grab the most cash.  All set to a rousing video - just like a video game.
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You just reminded me. Here's another game they used to (maybe still do?) play:

Cop ‘Game’ Involved Sharing Nude Pictures Of Drunk Women

"A California highway patrolman says that for several years he has participated in a “game” in which he and other police officers shared explicit pictures they had taken from the cell phones of female arrestees."
What was the award system?  Was there a quality factor or was it just based on the quantity of pictures?  I wonder how they picked the "winner" of the game.
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August 16, 2015, 12:55:07 PM
#25
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So stealing the cash from the vehicles of honest hard working citizens of the United States is now a game with honorific awards to the cop who can grab the most cash.  All set to a rousing video - just like a video game.
...

You just reminded me. Here's another game they used to (maybe still do?) play:

Cop ‘Game’ Involved Sharing Nude Pictures Of Drunk Women

"A California highway patrolman says that for several years he has participated in a “game” in which he and other police officers shared explicit pictures they had taken from the cell phones of female arrestees."
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August 16, 2015, 12:50:55 PM
#24
Another great quote about Desert Snow and Black Asphalt Knights:

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Black Asphalt also has served as a social hub for a new brand of highway interdictors, a group that one Desert Snow official has called “a brotherhood.” Among other things, the site hosts an annual competition to honor police who seize the most contraband and cash on the highways. As part of the contest, Desert Snow encouraged state and local patrol officers to post seizure data along with photos of themselves with stacks of currency and drugs. Some of the photos appear in a rousing hard-rock video that the Guthrie, Okla.-based Desert Snow uses to promote its training courses.

Annual winners receive Desert Snow’s top honorific: Royal Knight. The next Royal Knight will be named at a national conference hosted in Virginia Beach next year in collaboration with Virginia State Police.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/07/police-intelligence-targets-cash/

So stealing the cash from the vehicles of honest hard working citizens of the United States is now a game with honorific awards to the cop who can grab the most cash.  All set to a rousing video - just like a video game.

These titles are used by the cops in their resumes.

Check out Undersheriff Rudy Mora at this site:  http://www.bernalillocountysheriff.com/cmdstaff.html

He includes the following in his on line profile:

Inducted as Royal Knight #13 of the Black Asphalt (2009)

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August 16, 2015, 12:19:24 PM
#23
Personally yes, I am 53 years old and had never been arrested until now.  
So, you are totally wrong.  Things have gotten much much worse in my lifetime.  It is not an illusion.  You are dead wrong.

I'm very sorry about the way you're being treated by the US legal system - no person should ever experience something like that. I don't have enough knowledge to be able to discuss with you, especially given the hard data you're showing. Probably I shouldn't even have spoken in the first place. The reason for that was the situation from my native country(Poland). Around here there're a lot of people saying that before the fall of Soviet Union everything was in a better shape, there was no poverty etc. The problem is that back then practically everybody was poor so that wasn't any distinction. Also what speaks through them is that these 20 years ago or so they were much younger and healthier, they were living the best moments of their lives etc

But I see clearly that what's happening in the USA isn't that case. I'm sorry if I offended you somehow by what I wrote. And by the way, why did the police start to kill so many people since the year 2009?(that would be logical if it had started in 2001).
Thank you for speaking.  Your situation is very different and I appreciate that and your post.  It is very difficult for me/us to see our country being destroyed before our very eyes.  I am angry and offended by a lot of thing - you are not one of them.

To try to answer your question:

Everything is very tied together but one of the things that has changed in the last few years is the militarization of the police.  They have purchased a lot of military equipment and it changes their mindset in subtle and not so subtle ways.  The police used to be our servants.  Now they have an "us" versus "them" attitude.  On the road many of them see themselves as "knights of the asphalt", fighting on the side of justice and good and everyone else on the road is "the enemy".  That explains their "shoot first, fill out the paperwork later" attitude toward the population in general.

They even have various award levels for these "knights of the asphalt"

Check this out:

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ROYAL KNIGHT PROGRAM
The Royal Knight Program was developed to help motivate and acknowledge relentless criminal interdiction police work. Royal Knight Status can only be awarded to road officers who have met a number of requirements and have been accepted by the Desert Snow Board. Individuals selected for Royal Knight Status must show a sustained and professional effort to protect the motoring public by identifying and apprehending some of America's worst criminals.

ROYAL KNIGHT’S UPON ACCEPTANCE FROM THE BOARD WILL BE:

Presented an award at Desert Snow’s Annual National Conference if the recipient is in attendance.
Awarded a personalized Royal Knight Coin with a lifetime assigned number of acceptance.
Allowed to purchase "Royal Knight" accessories (jacket, ring, shirts, etc…).
Considered for an associate instructor position with the Desert Snow Training Program
APPLICANT QUALIFICATIONS FOR ROYAL KNIGHT STATUS:

Minimum of 5 years as a full time sworn law enforcement officer.
Minimum of 100 self-initiated (Not a tip or whisper stop) qualified Incidents / Seizures *(See below).
Must have made a large number of submittals to the Black Asphalt Electronic Networking System within 72 hours of the Incident / Seizure.
Must have attended a Desert Snow Course or Annual Conference.
Must support the Desert Snow Program and website.
Must be in good standing with their employing agency.
Must have a good overall reputation amongst the courts and law enforcement community.
Must MAIL a complete and organized binder to the Desert Snow Office with as many of the following as possible:
A letter requesting Royal Knight consideration
A breakdown of all Incidents / Seizures with their subsequent dates and case numbers
Commendable letters
Letters of recognition
Letters of recommendation
Criminal interdiction training received
Instructor qualifications
Any other information you would like considered
*QUALIFIED INCIDENTS / SEIZURES:

Each Incident / Seizure where one or more of the following were present will count as one qualifying event

Recovery of an Absconded, Missing or Kidnapped Child
Arrest of a Suspected Terrorist
Transportation of Explosives (Felony)
Transportation of Weapons (Felony)
Major Narcotics Arrest from a Passenger or Commercial Vehicle
Marijuana – More than 1 pound
Cocaine – More than 5 Ounces
Crack Cocaine – More than 5 Ounces
Methamphetamine – More than 5 Ounces
Heroin – More than 5 Ounces
Ecstasy – More than 5 Ounces
US Currency – Successful forfeiture of more than $5,000
Successful forfeiture of a vehicle with an Aftermarket Constructed Compartment
Other Narcotics Arrests will be considered on a case by case basis upon submittal of application
Other Incidents / Seizures will be considered on a case by case basis upon submittal of each application; However 90% of the Incidents / Seizures submitted must be one of the specific qualified events listed above.

Source:

https://desertsnow.com/pages/view/6
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August 16, 2015, 01:07:57 AM
#22
I'd agree with this. The best of the major US cities - New York, Chicago, and San Francisco - struggle to compete with the high-end tourism that other major cities in the world have. By the way, the UAE isn't in Asia (minor but important correction.)

Hmm.... Anyway, UAE is one of the best places to work (although the climate is horrible). There is no income tax, wealth tax, or inheritance tax. If you obey the local rules, then UAE is a paradise on earth.

For those of you who don't live in the US or haven't visited the US...I wouldn't let the actions of anyone in Texas speak for the rest of the country. Texans do things different, the think differently about a lot of political issues, and they don't represent the vast country.

Police brutality has been reported from all over the United States, and not just from Texas. However, it seems that Texas is one of the worst states in this regard.
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August 15, 2015, 10:46:21 PM
#21
For those of you who don't live in the US or haven't visited the US...I wouldn't let the actions of anyone in Texas speak for the rest of the country. Texans do things different, the think differently about a lot of political issues, and they don't represent the vast country.
looks like it's not only texas.

it amazes me that some people still try to defend this country.
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August 15, 2015, 09:57:47 PM
#19
People don't blame a nation which is the best place in the world to live and to work.

According to whom? For the third world citizens, the United States might be one of the top destinations. But for others, it rank far below other countries such as Sweden, Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand, and even Asian countries such as Singapore and UAE.

I'd agree with this. The best of the major US cities - New York, Chicago, and San Francisco - struggle to compete with the high-end tourism that other major cities in the world have. By the way, the UAE isn't in Asia (minor but important correction.)

This story is just f**cking ridiculous. Especially with the run of police-violence driven episodes (which were almost always against some legitimate criminal). People come out and stick up for the police (you see it everywhere on social media) and then something completely stupid like this comes out.

For those of you who don't live in the US or haven't visited the US...I wouldn't let the actions of anyone in Texas speak for the rest of the country. Texans do things different, the think differently about a lot of political issues, and they don't represent the vast country.
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August 15, 2015, 09:13:55 PM
#18
Personally yes, I am 53 years old and had never been arrested until now.  
So, you are totally wrong.  Things have gotten much much worse in my lifetime.  It is not an illusion.  You are dead wrong.

I'm very sorry about the way you're being treated by the US legal system - no person should ever experience something like that. I don't have enough knowledge to be able to discuss with you, especially given the hard data you're showing. Probably I shouldn't even have spoken in the first place. The reason for that was the situation from my native country(Poland). Around here there're a lot of people saying that before the fall of Soviet Union everything was in a better shape, there was no poverty etc. The problem is that back then practically everybody was poor so that wasn't any distinction. Also what speaks through them is that these 20 years ago or so they were much younger and healthier, they were living the best moments of their lives etc

But I see clearly that what's happening in the USA isn't that case. I'm sorry if I offended you somehow by what I wrote. And by the way, why did the police start to kill so many people since the year 2009?(that would be logical if it had started in 2001).

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August 15, 2015, 12:35:44 PM
#17
Wow, both videos are painful to watch.  Note on the first video:

When homeland security [state] searched the office I was using at my client's site (causing me to lose that client) they confiscated many things:  all of the computers, paperwork, electronics, etc.

For many years I have carried a copy of the constitution of the United States in my briefcase.  Not sure exactly why.  I got it many years ago and it had just remained in there since I got it.

They confiscated my copy of the constitution of the United States!

I have a couple of theories on this:

1) Having never seen or read the document themselves they opened it up, started to read it, and then confiscated it as an obviously subversive document.  Counter to their actions that day.  For example this little bit:  
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[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

2) They actually knew what it was (but still not having actually read it for themselves) and confiscated it as evidence that I was some sort of "constitutionalist nut job" - in other words someone who has read it and does know what it says.

Note on the second video:

We noticed very quickly that the public school education being foisted on our daughter was less than shit.  As far as we could tell any actual learning was purely accidental.  She knew everything about how bad people are destroying the planet, how to recycle, and tried to learn the scores of petty rules that changed daily.

Teach civics?  Not a chance.  However, they did have, every year, a decent sized unit on "how to be a good consumer".

Needless to say she no longer attends public school.  Even if this new school does not teach her what the bill of rights is, what it says, or how it applies to her she has already learned more about rights, duty, and the broken "justice" system than most adults through her personal life experiences.

Not many 9 year old kids have testified in front of a State Judiciary committee hearing on civil asset forfeiture and are looking forward to testifying in front of the US congress, given a chance to do so.

www.burtw.com and www.jmwagner.com

I want to say it's all unbelievable, but I know it's not. It's the truth. We're stuck with it now, nothing we can do.
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August 15, 2015, 12:20:46 PM
#16
Wow, both videos are painful to watch.  Note on the first video:

When homeland security [state] searched the office I was using at my client's site (causing me to lose that client) they confiscated many things:  all of the computers, paperwork, electronics, etc.

For many years I have carried a copy of the constitution of the United States in my briefcase.  Not sure exactly why.  I got it many years ago and it had just remained in there since I got it.

They confiscated my copy of the constitution of the United States!

I have a couple of theories on this:

1) Having never seen or read the document themselves they opened it up, started to read it, and then confiscated it as an obviously subversive document.  Counter to their actions that day.  For example this little bit:  
Quote
[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

2) They actually knew what it was (but still not having actually read it for themselves) and confiscated it as evidence that I was some sort of "constitutionalist nut job" - in other words someone who has read it and does know what it says.

Note on the second video:

We noticed very quickly that the public school education being foisted on our daughter was less than shit.  As far as we could tell any actual learning was purely accidental.  She knew everything about how bad people are destroying the planet, how to recycle, and tried to learn the scores of petty rules that changed daily.

Teach civics?  Not a chance.  However, they did have, every year, a decent sized unit on "how to be a good consumer".

Needless to say she no longer attends public school.  Even if this new school does not teach her what the bill of rights is, what it says, or how it applies to her she has already learned more about rights, duty, and the broken "justice" system than most adults through her personal life experiences.

Not many 9 year old kids have testified in front of a State Judiciary committee hearing on civil asset forfeiture and are looking forward to testifying in front of the US congress, given a chance to do so.

www.burtw.com and www.jmwagner.com
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August 15, 2015, 09:38:34 AM
#15
This country used to be the country of freedom and justice, it no longer is.

You have any kind of proof that now it's worse than it used to be? No nation is happy about the state their country is in. Also,  as you're getting older you get to to remember everything regarding your youth as better than it really was. Everywhere around the world the police abuse it's power sometimes. That's a thing that can't be avoided.

We can compare for example the stats showing the number of people being killed by the police every year and I'm sure that the USA will  still come out much better than all the countries of South America. That's a huge country, with many different ethnicities living there. Probably because of that the crime rate has to quite high, and the police sometimes get's to be, let's say, overzealous in their "responsibilities"  Sad

It's worse than it used to be. 20 years ago I was proud to live here, now I shake my head. But apparently those who believe in the constitution are crazy, and some US citizens are so stupid they are ready to give up their bill of rights
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August 15, 2015, 09:19:46 AM
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Here are your 2014 numbers:

http://www.justice.gov/afp/reports-congress/fy-2014-total-net-deposits-fund-state-deposit#FN2

What is up with Delaware?  They sure don't seem to be "pulling their weight" when it comes to self funding the police state.

Answered my own question about Delaware.  It is not that they don't steal from their people it is that the Federal government is not getting their cut of the action:

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Delaware has terrible civil forfeiture law, scoring an F on the law grade.  The state’s final grade is pulled up to a C only by limited use of equitable sharing (an evasion grade of A) to date.  In Delaware, the government only needs to show probable cause to forfeit property.  If an innocent owner objects, the owner has the burden of showing that the property was wrongfully seized or not subject to forfeiture.  These problems are compounded by the fact that law enforcement in Delaware keeps 100 percent of the revenues generated by civil forfeitures, creating a perverse incentive to seize as much property as possible.  Fortunately for Delaware citizens, law enforcement in the state does not seem to have used forfeiture as aggressively as the law permits.  It is hard to know the extent of forfeiture in Delaware, though, because there is no provision under state law that requires data to be collected or reported.
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August 15, 2015, 09:06:51 AM
#13
Here are some statistics for you on police killings from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States

List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2015 (listed: 323)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2014 (listed: 623)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2013 (listed: 337)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2012 (listed: 602)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2011 (listed: 166)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2010 (listed: 284)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2009 (listed: 62)
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States prior to 2009 (listed: 215)
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August 15, 2015, 08:27:20 AM
#12
You have any kind of proof that now it's worse than it used to be?

Personally yes, I am 53 years old and had never been arrested until now.  

I do remember the time before the massive use of civil asset forfeiture was used to bypass the constitutionally mandated checks and balances between the branches of government and used to self fund the current police state.

I do remember the time when a person had to be charged and convicted of a crime before the goverment could seize your assets.  Now they just seize your assets and charge the assets with the crime and it is up to you to prove that your assets did not commit the crime.  Sure this procedure started all the way back in the 1920s but it has not been until the last few years that it has been done to the tune of billions of dollars per year.

I do remember the time before citizens united totally destroyed the democratic process in this country.

I do remember the time before 9/11, the time before marshal law was declared and implemented (patriot act).

I do remember the time before the implementation of the "homeland security" state.

I do remember the time before the police killed an average of one citizen per day.

I do remember the time before police used military equipment, clothing and techniques.

For my case see www.burtw.com and www.jmwagner.com

In summary:  I was accused of "selling Bitcoins without a license", a few days in solitary confinement and $300,000 later, including a blatant $80,000 extortion payment directly to the United States asset forfeiture fund and I am a "free" but broke man.

Just a few years ago the government would have simply sent me a letter telling me to get a license.  End of story.  

But today, with the push to self fund their police state, instead they charge me with a felony that carries a five year prison sentence, take all my property and charge it with crimes, all in order take by force or force me to give up cash and Bitcoins directly to them.

So, you are totally wrong.  Things have gotten much much worse in my lifetime.  It is not an illusion.  You are dead wrong.

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August 15, 2015, 08:23:35 AM
#11
People don't blame a nation which is the best place in the world to live and to work. The country of the freedom and the justice. Every country of the world have problems. But in no country of the world cannot be find the right and the wrong like in USA and in no country in the world like in USA can be punished the wrong and valuated the right.

Cannot be defined a country from a case; every kind of case can be that.

    
Do you consider the USA a better country?
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August 15, 2015, 08:02:50 AM
#10
Why on earth is there a race sub-text to it?
This should be condemned, white woman or black woman.

It doesn't have much to do with the race. If you read the article, it is clear that the policewoman who raped the victim was also an African American. This has more to do with police brutality than race profiling. By needlessly dragging the race card in to this, the victim is trying to create unnecessary hype and I am afraid that she will end up losing the argument.
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August 15, 2015, 06:09:52 AM
#9
This country used to be the country of freedom and justice, it no longer is.

You have any kind of proof that now it's worse than it used to be? No nation is happy about the state their country is in. Also,  as you're getting older you get to to remember everything regarding your youth as better than it really was. Everywhere around the world the police abuse it's power sometimes. That's a thing that can't be avoided.

We can compare for example the stats showing the number of people being killed by the police every year and I'm sure that the USA will  still come out much better than all the countries of South America. That's a huge country, with many different ethnicities living there. Probably because of that the crime rate has to quite high, and the police sometimes get's to be, let's say, overzealous in their "responsibilities"  Sad
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August 15, 2015, 05:43:00 AM
#8
these cops belong in prison
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