America can afford a universal basic income

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Quote from: RealityTruth on June 21, 2016, 05:47:53 PM

No! We have to continue with the current system: Basic income from taxpayers to banks and regular people starving.

Why, that is quite interesting. Taxpayers are now officially, in your view, different from "regular people."

Gonna have to ponder that one.

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The way I see why we are in what we are in.

Is based on people hacking the rules of what they know or been passed by with creating special relations.

We cant really get back to this though with a huge deficit so lets just stop dreaming and focus on something else that would help us now instead.

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No! We have to continue with the current system: Basic income from taxpayers to banks and regular people starving.

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Quote from: anti economist on June 21, 2016, 02:18:22 PM

Both marxists and capitalists support the idea of a basic income. Marxists for ideological reasons and capitalists for economic reasons. A basic income ensures the consumption and supports the bussinesses.

In an alternate universe in which everyone starves.

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Both marxists and capitalists support the idea of a basic income. Marxists for ideological reasons and capitalists for economic reasons. A basic income ensures the consumption and supports the bussinesses.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 08, 2016, 09:26:31 PM

Quote from: Slowturtleinc on April 08, 2016, 07:07:29 PM

I like the idea of guaranteed income but I do agree that government tends to set up rules and hoops to jump through in these situations.
Seems to be the nature of the beast,so what do we do as more people get replaced by robots?

Pensions are becoming a thing of the past and the global job market is lowering wages in areas that where more developed. Can not argue it raises wages in worse off areas of the world but at what cost! If we all balance out the rich will be richer off that fact alone.

Nope, the plan is we die.

Yep, indeed TECSHARE

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Quote from: Balthazar on April 10, 2016, 10:14:54 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on April 10, 2016, 12:58:19 AM

Quote from: Balthazar on April 09, 2016, 11:27:21 PM

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America can afford a universal basic income

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dNn6E5zaWGM

Who is that meathead?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Monson

Looks like this kind of sport is really dangerous for mental health.

That explains why his face as well as his brain are caved in.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on April 10, 2016, 12:58:19 AM

Quote from: Balthazar on April 09, 2016, 11:27:21 PM

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America can afford a universal basic income

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dNn6E5zaWGM

Who is that meathead?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Monson

Looks like this kind of sport is really dangerous for mental health.

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Quote from: criptix on April 09, 2016, 12:00:12 PM

Germany has unrestricted social welfare since 1960 i think.
It is not completely different - if you dont find work or cant work you get social welfare.

And germany still exist today like other countries with similar systems.

It's not only Germany. I think all western European countries have some kind of a free-for-all basic income. That's how terrorists manage to survive. All the Arabs in Belgium and France plotting to bomb the country, they're all living on welfare. I believe they are more than 20 millions people on the dole in Europe right now. Possibly more.

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Quote from: Balthazar on April 09, 2016, 11:27:21 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dNn6E5zaWGM

Who is that meathead?

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Quote from: Palinanv on April 09, 2016, 04:50:41 PM

Unemployment is really not too avoidable. In some cases it'll happen to you no matter how hard you work, so let's also keep that in mind.

The New Deal (1933-38) in the States is a good example for state sponsored infrastructure projects what used public work, in the same time in Germany they did the same to get things back on track. Unemployment must be avoided in the future. Many jobs out there today can be done faster an better by machines in the near future. According to some forecasts in a few decades only 15-20%ot the currently needed jobs will be still available for humans, everything else going to be automated. But 80-85% unemployment would kill not just the economy but the society as well, so most of these people must be employed in some sort of real or Mickey mouse jobs, just to keep things going.

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There's also Americans don't need to go abroad to direct their money into illegal activities or they think is better to invest instead of having it sit there while you pay hefty bank fees to keep it there.

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Quote from: Slowturtleinc on April 09, 2016, 01:51:30 PM

This may seem stupid but I do not see other ideas other than letting people die from lack of medication, food or shelter. One thing to be cold hearted on the internet but another in actual practice.
More people will be working part time as full time will become to costly due to benefits. Then people will be forced to fight over these part time jobs, grinding worker value down even more. The numbers are manipulated currently through part time job creation.
So we can pretend that we will be protected from this through education or money but that is short term. As more people join the rank , the more disruptive society will become.
If it is not the answer, what is?

Community work paid by the state is an other option and in that case the state can get lots of things done with some relative cheap workforce, plus otherwise unemployed people will not get unused to the idea of working.

Unemployment is really not too avoidable. In some cases it'll happen to you no matter how hard you work, so let's also keep that in mind.

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Quote from: Slowturtleinc on April 09, 2016, 01:51:30 PM

This may seem stupid but I do not see other ideas other than letting people die from lack of medication, food or shelter. One thing to be cold hearted on the internet but another in actual practice.
More people will be working part time as full time will become to costly due to benefits. Then people will be forced to fight over these part time jobs, grinding worker value down even more. The numbers are manipulated currently through part time job creation.
So we can pretend that we will be protected from this through education or money but that is short term. As more people join the rank , the more disruptive society will become.
If it is not the answer, what is?

Community work paid by the state is an other option and in that case the state can get lots of things done with some relative cheap workforce, plus otherwise unemployed people will not get unused to the idea of working.

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This may seem stupid but I do not see other ideas other than letting people die from lack of medication, food or shelter. One thing to be cold hearted on the internet but another in actual practice.
More people will be working part time as full time will become to costly due to benefits. Then people will be forced to fight over these part time jobs, grinding worker value down even more. The numbers are manipulated currently through part time job creation.
So we can pretend that we will be protected from this through education or money but that is short term. As more people join the rank , the more disruptive society will become.
If it is not the answer, what is?

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Germany has unrestricted social welfare since 1960 i think.
It is not completely different - if you dont find work or cant work you get social welfare.

And germany still exist today like other countries with similar systems.

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Quote from: countryfree on April 09, 2016, 09:30:28 AM

... this is only a stupid idea, like the one of a universal basic income.

Perhaps not in all future societies. Say if robots did all the work or something like that.

But today in the sense of take away from some and give to others, yeah it's incredibly stupid.

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How about universal death penalty to those who can't support themselves?
I suggest to open all borders, to delete all regulations against free movement of people anywhere on Earth, but with instant death, as the government will be fully entitled to shot dead anyone of working age unable to make a living? I could live in a world like this, but this is only a stupid idea, like the one of a universal basic income.

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Quote from: Slowturtleinc on April 08, 2016, 07:07:29 PM

I like the idea of guaranteed income but I do agree that government tends to set up rules and hoops to jump through in these situations.
Seems to be the nature of the beast,so what do we do as more people get replaced by robots?

Pensions are becoming a thing of the past and the global job market is lowering wages in areas that where more developed. Can not argue it raises wages in worse off areas of the world but at what cost! If we all balance out the rich will be richer off that fact alone.

Nope, the plan is we die.

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