Here, more news from Mexico:
Burdened by Illegal Immigration, Mexico Develops Border Patrol
https://www.numbersusa.com/news/burdened-illegal-immigration-mexico-develops-border-patrol
Topic: America Should Open its Borders? (Read 1119 times)
Utopians.
Eh.
Eh.
No-borders advocates are often hardcore libertarians or ancaps who are always talking about how great private property is and how all property ultimately derives from the "homestead principle". Don't they see the contradiction? Murray Rothbard did. Yes, that Murray Rothbard, the hero of ancaps and libertarians everywhere.
Think about it for a moment. You see that public library? Right now the government has control of it but, according to ancap theory, the people own it, because governments can't legitimately own anything. My ancestors built that library and my family has been using it for generations. When immigrants move in and take over the library they are trampling on my property rights. They dilute my ownership of the library, and they restrict my ability to enjoy it, effectively reducing my right to free association. The same goes for the roads, the schools, etc...
Many immigrants are fine people but so what? Grapefruit is a fine breakfast food - for those who like it - but I don't like grapefruit and don't eat it. Why should I be forced to associate with people, simply because they are fine people? And that's the good immigrants. Many are not find people and many of the good ones have children who are not good.
Think about it for a moment. You see that public library? Right now the government has control of it but, according to ancap theory, the people own it, because governments can't legitimately own anything. My ancestors built that library and my family has been using it for generations. When immigrants move in and take over the library they are trampling on my property rights. They dilute my ownership of the library, and they restrict my ability to enjoy it, effectively reducing my right to free association. The same goes for the roads, the schools, etc...
Many immigrants are fine people but so what? Grapefruit is a fine breakfast food - for those who like it - but I don't like grapefruit and don't eat it. Why should I be forced to associate with people, simply because they are fine people? And that's the good immigrants. Many are not find people and many of the good ones have children who are not good.
all borders should be removed regardless which country
The spirit of Bitcoin
I agree to a degree - citizen of the world etc.
But - the EU has a free flow of labour/open borders - and the real benefactor is big business.
And yet the "Spirit of Bitcoin" can only exist thanks to the highly secured walls of its blockchain... No open borders for the ghost in the machine...
Forget the walls and laws, and buy lots of land and a long driveway.
Everyone wants their own utopia. The problem is: everyone's utopia would be a nightmare to each other. The fabric of the universe itself does not have any "open borders". Animals create artificial doors and barriers to protect their young ones.
Once every single human will have access to free and lifetime personal and portable energy then the concept of borders, countries, need for work, need to travel to better and greener garden will cease to exist. Until then humans will need to migrate to places with more stable political societies, places with more natural resources, open markets, etc.
all borders should be removed regardless which country
The spirit of Bitcoin
I agree to a degree - citizen of the world etc.
But - the EU has a free flow of labour/open borders - and the real benefactor is big business.
And yet the "Spirit of Bitcoin" can only exist thanks to the highly secured walls of its blockchain... No open borders for the ghost in the machine...
Forget the walls and laws, and buy lots of land and a long driveway.
all borders should be removed regardless which country
The spirit of Bitcoin
I agree to a degree - citizen of the world etc.
But - the EU has a free flow of labour/open borders - and the real benefactor is big business.
And yet the "Spirit of Bitcoin" can only exist thanks to the highly secured walls of its blockchain... No open borders for the ghost in the machine...
all borders should be removed regardless which country
The spirit of Bitcoin
I agree to a degree - citizen of the world etc.
But - the EU has a free flow of labour/open borders - and the real benefactor is big business.
Feds reject California IDs for illegal immigrants
http://rt.com/usa/157708-feds-reject-license-california-immigrants
http://rt.com/usa/157708-feds-reject-license-california-immigrants
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As California prepares to hand out drivers’ licenses to illegal immigrants with permission to stay in the United States, the state suffered a setback recently when the federal government rejected its latest design. The debate revolves around making the licenses unique enough to be distinguished from regular drivers’ licenses while, at the same time, ensuring they're not so different that cardholders would suffer from discrimination for using one.
Yeah. 2012 statistics from germany:
Sex crimes: 18% non-germans
Violent crimes: 25% non-germans
Theft: 26% non-germans
Drug crimes: 20% non-germans
Sex crimes: 18% non-germans
Violent crimes: 25% non-germans
Theft: 26% non-germans
Drug crimes: 20% non-germans
Still much better than the Nordic states. In Norway and Sweden, more than 90% of the violent crimes are perpetrated by the non-Swedes. The German migration rules are a little more tougher than those in Norway and Sweden.
current U.S. law, it is illegal for a foreigner to work for a willing American employer or rent from a willing American landlord without government permission. For most foreigners, this permission is impossible to obtain. As a result, hundreds of millions who want to move here are stuck in their birth countries. Most would-be immigrants are desperately poor, but could easily work their way out of poverty if they were here. I say we should open them up what ya think?
I think you've lost your mind.
yeah that's just propaganda bullshit. if i were a new immigrant, the last thing i would want to do is fuck with the law. if that statistic were true, it's probably because immigrants have so much stacked against them that they get desperate.
Stats prove otherwise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime
Germany: Immigrants in Germany are overrepresented in crime statistics. In Berlin, young male immigrants are three times more likely to commit violent crimes than their German peers. The crime rate of immigrants is at first glimpse about 5 times higher than that for Germans.
Sex crimes: 18% non-germans
Violent crimes: 25% non-germans
Theft: 26% non-germans
Drug crimes: 20% non-germans
Federal government can do what it wants, but I admire sanctuary cities. I don't admire organizations looking to set up those seeking to come for welfare, but for those looking to work so much that they illegally hop the border at risk to their person and have to work under the table, I have nothing but respect for. Anyone looking to break a law with noble intent, I consider a hero, and it's a great world where we come together to help them "launder money" to their families.
They always said the true americans are the ones who taken the ships acrooss the seas, got sick from doing it and came from across the ocean, those were the true americans, of course 1st is the native americans.
Federal government can do what it wants, but I admire sanctuary cities. I don't admire organizations looking to set up those seeking to come for welfare, but for those looking to work so much that they illegally hop the border at risk to their person and have to work under the table, I have nothing but respect for. Anyone looking to break a law with noble intent, I consider a hero, and it's a great world where we come together to help them "launder money" to their families.
The Fourteenth Amendment was the answer to the Democrat slave owners from owning the children of "their property" and the children of the children of their property, in perpetuum... So it was not a stupid Amendment, even though it is being abused now by some heavy pregnant women doing some dangerous stuff just like the one in the video I linked.
Well.. if it was so, then the Fourteenth Amendment should have been repealed once slavery was abolished by Abraham Lincoln. Or the latest, after he defeated the Confederate States in the American Civil War.
Another point I have to make is that, the Americans themselves are responsible for a part of the immigration problem. Birthright citizenship is such a stupid idea, and I don't think there is any other nation in the world which is having a similar law. This law has not only encouraged illegal immigration, but also put additional strain to the welfare system by encouraging the illegals to have a large number of children.
The Fourteenth Amendment was the answer to the Democrat slave owners from owning the children of "their property" and the children of the children of their property, in perpetuum... So it was not a stupid Amendment, even though it is being abused now by some heavy pregnant women doing some dangerous stuff just like the one in the video I linked.
Another point I have to make is that, the Americans themselves are responsible for a part of the immigration problem. Birthright citizenship is such a stupid idea, and I don't think there is any other nation in the world which is having a similar law. This law has not only encouraged illegal immigration, but also put additional strain to the welfare system by encouraging the illegals to have a large number of children.
Do you own a key to have access to where you live? Why is that? Do you need a password to have access to your email? Why is that?
Classic. One thing I have noticed recently. The people who are the most vocal about opening the borders of the US, most of them are firmly against opening the borders of their own nations. For example, the previous Mexican president Vicente Fox Quesada. Honduran and Salvadorean immigrants claim that it was during Fox's regime that the brutality against them increased the most.
This was true until around 2010, forever. I do not know the status now but:
"Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.
The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy” or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/03/mexicos-illegals-laws-tougher-than-arizonas/?page=all
Do you own a key to have access to where you live? Why is that? Do you need a password to have access to your email? Why is that?
Classic. One thing I have noticed recently. The people who are the most vocal about opening the borders of the US, most of them are firmly against opening the borders of their own nations. For example, the previous Mexican president Vicente Fox Quesada. Honduran and Salvadorean immigrants claim that it was during Fox's regime that the brutality against them increased the most.
It doesnt really matter who opens there borders your just opening pandora box allowing to much freedom of entry of people who you really dont all know. Then this will also open a world for new diseases to be contracted far much easier also
Do you own a key to have access to where you live? Why is that? Do you need a password to have access to your email? Why is that?
Classic. One thing I have noticed recently. The people who are the most vocal about opening the borders of the US, most of them are firmly against opening the borders of their own nations. For example, the previous Mexican president Vicente Fox Quesada. Honduran and Salvadorean immigrants claim that it was during Fox's regime that the brutality against them increased the most.
all borders should be removed regardless which country
They cant do that cause then the govs will feel like they dont have control of traffic inflow of immigrants. Plus then there will be more crime if that was to happen. Imagine how happy Al qeda will be to plant themselves all over the world
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