Topic: American Gun Ownership: The Positive Impacts of Law-Abiding Citizens Owning Guns (Read 407 times)

Alright, I agree with you on that (see? ). We better cool down, or we're both gonna get kicked out. This is not helpful.
We both tried to prove our points, and we both failed. I'm not gonna reply to your post, cause it's too long. I'll just post a few articles I think can illustrate mine:

From the "Heritage Foundation" (an American Republican think tank, meant to help policymakers:

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

The "Index of Economic Freedom" rankings for 2021. 2022 numbers aren't in yet. In here, the top ten countries in the world are: Singapore, New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, Ireland, Taiwan, UK, Estonia, Canada and Denmark. The US is #20.

US News, "Best Countries in the World":

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/overall-rankings

#1 Canada, #2 Japan, #3 Germany, #4 Switzerland, #5 Australia, #6 US.

World Population Review. Countries with the highest human development index:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-countries-to-live-in

#1Norway, #2 Ireland, #3 Switzerland, #4 Iceland, #5 Hong Kong, #6 Germany, #7 Sweden, #8 Netherlands, #9 Australia, #10 Denmark. #17 US.

And I could go on and on. All those surveys are originated in the US. It doesn't matter, and it's not the purpose of my posts anyway. I lived in the US, and loved it. It may not be the best country in the world, but it's a great country indeed, definitely much better than mine.

The whole "second amendment" thing is not about people's rights, and it's definitely not about freedom. It's (like most everything in the world) about money. The US is the biggest market for firearms in the world, and the NRA is one of the biggest lobbies in Washington, and all  they care about is their bottom line. That's why they politicized the issued, and that's why they oppose (and will keep opposing) any gun related law, ever.
It doesn't matter anyway. Sooner or later, firearms WILL get regulated. What's sad is all the people that are gonna have to die before that happens.

Either way, to answer your question: I'm into cryptocurrency because I've been unemployed since April 2020, and (despite actively hunting for jobs daily) I've been unable to get one. One of the biggest problems my country has is a very high unemployment rate, and, honestly, I'm sick of it.

In any case, I accept your apology, and let me extend you mine. We were both out of line. If you want to come to my country, I'll be happy to welcome you. Give me a few months so I can get back on my feet. In any case, the COVID lockdown is not as harsh as last year, but it's still in effect.
Just don't expect it to be nearly as pretty as the US is...

Oh, I forgot. Sorry. Merry Christmas (or Xmas, as it says on a thread I've been evading lately) to you too, and to everybody.

I might slightly agree with you here two years ago before the COVID lockdowns. Now you have to say for 14 days at hotel if you travel outside of Canada. So I would not say that all of Canada is free the same could be said of the US presently too but at least we have important fragments of our constitution left and they aren't moving as fast against the people as whole as Trudeau has.

Mandatory hotel quarantine measures for travelers to come into effect Feb. 22

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/mandatory-hotel-quarantine-measures-for-travellers-to-come-into-effect-feb-22-1.5306556


Trudeau is certainly popular:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/yLJjGBg0HI5n/

CANADA GOING TYRANNICAL! 2ND "TOTAL" LOCKDOWN; ISOLATION CAMPS FOR "REFUSERS"

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Y5GqWOOPOtHs/


UN Trucks seen between Canada and US

Once they're done with North America they move down South to take you out too:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/MWDBuX6Ps2qv/



Again same thing above as I said about Canada in this post. At one point these countries may have had differing or better liberties in select areas but not anymore due COVID restrictions. In fact, Australia has devolved into a prison colony again due to the measures:


Australian Politician Quarantine camps

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RS2P1VWO4gfF/

HIDDEN CAMERA FOOTAGE OF FORCED INTERNMENT CAMPS IN AUSTRALIA

https://www.bitchute.com/video/5XgbAmMnTAvi/

THIS IS THE GOLD STANDARD OF QUARENTINE... | AUSTRALIA RIGHT NOW - "SEND HELP"

https://www.bitchute.com/video/laav0RBKLilD/


The UK/Britain isn't much better:


THE NEW UK PRISON-QUARANTINE CAMPS

https://www.bitchute.com/video/4LdqYhV8JVxo/

HEATHROW AIRPORT QUARANTINE HOTEL (UK FEMA CAMP)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7HK5pqE3xkUj/


Nor the US but at least I can have my guns that the media and liberal politicians don't want me to have:

DEATHLY QUARANTINE CAMPS UK/AUS/CAN/USA

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RbDrVH2ca85N/

CORONALERT!! FEDS TO BRING INFECTED PEOPLE TO ALABAMA FEMA (CAMP)...UH.. FACILITY

https://www.bitchute.com/video/bN3UsCf0bA0/


I said that already that the Military Junta helped kick them out in the early 1800s and back then you could get by on just melee weapons.



So why are you into Crypto again? And why are you on this forum? I'm in it because it is a hedge against inflation and I can make profits trading and such 24-7 with no shutdowns where the big bankers can make back room deals.


I'll private message a bit after I'm done sending this post you but you need to define "prove it"?



Is this what you mean by "prove it" that something befell you or your friends/family concerning firearms?



No I was too lazy earlier to find this post but are you also Shogun?



I could not agree more. Take Venezuela as an example. They thought Socialism was the cure to the ails they had in the country's economic equality then when the government took control of all industries they collapsed as they lost the capitalists that ran these major industries better than the government could. 

I'm done calling you names and insulting you but this seems to be a topic that has ignited both of us as individuals. I apologize for this as it probably hurt my point I was trying to make to you about tyranny and why I think they US needs guns. It is easier to kill people than control them now you realize this right? You could have argued that even with a second amendment the government typically has better weapons to genocide their own people, right? But yet they still fear our voice (most of all) and our ability to use firearms responsibly as a people in our own self-defense.

Either way you won't change my mind nor will I seem to change yours but have a Merry Christmas or a Happy Holiday if you don't celebrate that.

And again, you stepped on your own BS and (unwillingly, I bet) let us know about your real motives. So it's all about "having the last word" for you...
By the way, I didn't misquote you. In fact, I didn't quote you at all. Maybe you should learn your own language, before trying to use someone else's.


Ha ha, the United States ("America" is a continent) is FAR from the freest country anywhere, let alone the whole Earth. Maybe you should stop staring at your belly button for just a second, and realize there are other countries out there. In fact, you don't even have to look far: take a good look at Canada, you're bound to learn a thing or two. No guarantees you'd like what you learn though.


Yeah, and you're a clear example of the "good education" some Americans have.
But let's talk about my country. We've had, since the 1920's (that is, BEFORE WWII, for you, self proclaimed history buff), many military governments. And do you know what all those governments have in common? WE KICKED THEM ALL OUT, NO WEAPONS NEEDED. How does that feel for YOU? Maybe you should concentrate more on growing a pair, so you can keep your own government in check.
And yeah, our current VP is much more corrupt than you could ever imagine. How does that prove your point?
And BTW, inflation as of late (say, the last 30 years or so), has been pretty mild compared to historical records, so there go your "BTC and crypto" theory.
And just for the record: it doesn't feel like anything to have somebody without a clue talking about my country. It's actually kinda funny to read your ignorant BS about it. But you keep calling me names... while hiding behind a keyboard, half a world away. I renew my invitation to come say it to my face, if you can ever find a pair of balls to go with your mouth. I guess that clearly proves my point about you  being a pussy, doesn't it?


So you keep saying, and you keep running your mouth... from afar. But I still don't see you coming here to prove it. I can't go back to the US (if I wanted), otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation, with or without guns.
So you need guns to control the British King, don't you? You should've called us, we kicked them out TWICE (in 1806 and 1807) without guns. And, in fact, if you had a brain you could learn from the British, Canadians, Australians, and other countries that have managed to become some of the BEST COUNTRIES ON EARTH, while under their rule.
Incidentally, I was born in Argentina, and lived in the US for almost 13 years, and yeah, I've seen first hand, MANY TIMES, UNFORTUNATELY, the real power of your second amendment.

So, what the hell are you arguing about? The "poster above" talking about keeping guns off the hands of lunatics was ME! The problem with your "system" is that, once the damage is done, IT'S DONE, you can't take it back.
BTW, yeah, English is my second language, but I can read it and write it just fine. In fact, if you had just ONE working brain cell, you might realize I've been replying to you in English from the start. But then again, that may be a bit too complicated for you, isn't it?

You summoned me? Aww and I was going to let you have the last word but you just had to bring up my username and misquote me. I'm trying to enlighten you as to how America has remained the freest country on Earth and a model for modern westernized government(pre-COVID???). I see you removed what you said about your country's "constitution" being a carbon copy of the United States. That is certainly partially true as your leaders took out what rights that they did not want you to have so they can control you better.

So you've been going on and on about how you know so much better than native born Americans  that have a good education of their bill of rights and constitution. I've decided to talk about your country to see how that feels for you. Argentina has been under so many military Juntas between WWII to the 1980s that I bet if the people had guns that would have only lasted between 5-10 years instead. Inflation of your local fiat currency has been rough pre-COVID, I've read and perhaps this is why you are into BTC and crypto in general (perhaps this is where we agree upon?). Your current VP is just as corrupt as our former VP now president Biden is. So how does it feel to have someone outside your country talk a bit down on it like they know something better about it? Doesn't feel too good does it punk?

As for my second amendment, I don't need it if I'm going one on one with you (fair fight/dual). I need it for the potential of an out of control government that was initially the British King and in your context General Arturo Rawson/Peron or hell even further back the King of Spain's viceroy. I guess it doesn't have any meaning to you besides what the hyped up media tell you to feel and because you were born in Argentina so you know not of the power of the second amendment. I agree with the poster above about mental health being an issue with firearms and who should be able to hold them and agree with locking them up from a minor or those that would do unjust harm instead of using them for self-defense. You just don't get it or don't want to get it. I think it is you that cannot read English as it seems to be your second language so I'll post this in Spanish as well so you can read it.  



¿Me convocaste? Aww e iba a dejar que tuvieras la última palabra, pero solo tenías que abrir mi nombre de usuario y citarme mal. Estoy tratando de iluminarlos sobre cómo Estados Unidos se ha mantenido como el país más libre de la Tierra y un modelo para el gobierno occidentalizado moderno (¿pre-COVID ). Veo que eliminó lo que dijo acerca de que la "constitución" de su país es una copia al carbón de los Estados Unidos. Eso es ciertamente parcialmente cierto, ya que sus líderes eliminaron los derechos que no querían que usted tuviera para poder controlarlo mejor.

Así que ha estado hablando y hablando sobre cómo sabe mucho mejor que los estadounidenses nativos que tienen una buena educación sobre su declaración de derechos y constitución. Decidí hablar sobre tu país para ver cómo te sientes. Argentina ha estado bajo tantas Juntas militares entre la Segunda Guerra Mundial y la década de 1980 que apuesto a que si la gente tuviera armas que solo habrían durado entre 5 y 10 años. La inflación de su moneda fiduciaria local ha sido aproximada antes de COVID, lo he leído y quizás es por eso que está en BTC y las criptomonedas en general (¿quizás aquí es donde estamos de acuerdo?). Su actual vicepresidente es tan corrupto como nuestro ex vicepresidente ahora presidente Biden. Entonces, ¿cómo se siente tener a alguien fuera de su país hablando un poco como si supiera algo mejor al respecto? No se siente muy bien, ¿verdad punk?

En cuanto a mi segunda enmienda, no la necesito si voy uno a uno contigo (pelea justa / dual). Lo necesito por el potencial de un gobierno fuera de control que fue inicialmente el rey británico y en su contexto el general Arturo Rawson / Perón o el infierno aún más atrás, el virrey del rey de España. Supongo que no tiene ningún significado para ti, además de lo que los medios publicitados te dicen que sientas y porque naciste en Argentina, así que no conoces el poder de la segunda enmienda. Estoy de acuerdo con el cartel de arriba acerca de que la salud mental es un problema con las armas de fuego y quién debería poder sostenerlas y estoy de acuerdo con encerrarlas a menores o aquellos que harían un daño injusto en lugar de usarlas en defensa propia. Simplemente no lo entiendes o no quieres obtenerlo. Si no puede leer esto, lea entre líneas lo que perciba en inglés.

And THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM...!
Why don't we go a step further, and say you're unwilling to forfeit your rights to make a quick buck just because somebody may die because of it?
Isn't that what drug dealers say? At least they're more honest...
But how about forfeiting some lunatic's right to slaughter a room full of kids, just so you can make that quick buck. Are you willing to forfeit that?
I mean, as far as I know, the move was always to limit gun ownership to those that are qualified for it. Aren't you?

But, hey, in his endless ranting, cmg777 actually did say something useful (I'm sure it was completely unintended, though): your kind are "unwilling to forfeit your rights" because you're pussies. You're terrified at the sole idea of having to face another human being without having the perceived advantage of a weapon strapped to your body. 

I'm unwilling to forefit my rights because of what I'm capable of doing. And no matter what you do, guns will remain on the street. You just wish to create a world where armed criminals are more certain that their potential victims are unarmed – or, alternatively, one where the police state is so vast that the government can stop its citizens from owning an object that weighs less than one pound. A tall order for an organization that can't even keep black tar heroin out of maximum security prisons.

Probably would have been less of a problem if the common people could have defended themselves better.  Probably in that case the CIA and their 'School of The Americas' guys would have chosen different methods, and the methods may not have resulted in the abuse of the populations than were ultimately realized.  Or not.  Hard to know.

cmg777: as usual, I won't reply to your rants. But there are a few points I wish to clear up (learning to read could help).

I never said a word (or inferred) about leaving on January 6^th.. I don't really know what led you to believe that.
I don't kiss up to anybody. Not to liberals, nor republicans, nor any politician of any political party anywhere in the world. I simply stay away from politics, and (unlike you) don't let anybody tell me what to think.
And just to make it very clear: liberals didn't kick me out, Americans did.

Don't worry about "my mandate". I never thought for a second you'd be man enough to put your money where your mouth is.

I was never a US citizen.

13 years, and I know plenty about your constitution, as mine is a carbon copy of it.

Jair Bolsonaro. And there's no need to rig any election against him. Very much like your beloved former president Turd, he is his own worst enemy.

Maybe you should pick up a history book or two. Total tyranny already happened in Latin America. Many times, actually.

Well said and there is this documentary about a guy (or I think he posted that video on Facebook) who got constantly bullied in school. One day he drives home with a bus and three guys from his school follow him to his house, keep bullying him. He goes into his own house at the age of 11 or so, tries to get the gun of his father in order to shoot the three guys. He can't open the cupboard where the gun is locked. Minutes later he cools down and the three guys in front of his house are gone. The quintessence is as he himself says: if the cupboard had been open back at the time, the availability of that gun would have turned him into a murderer on that day at the age of 11. Today he has a happy life and will never forget the situation he was emotionally in back then and what his life would have turned into if on that day the cupboard wasn't locked. Availability is an issue when it comes weapons, regardless of the circumstances. It can always turn into a bad situation, much worse than if nobody around in a certain situation had a single gun.

I thought you were inferring that you left after January 6th but seems you've been gone from this country a long time and are already out of touch. I just can't believe you still kiss up to the liberals that kicked you out of here, talk about Stockholm syndrome. So I'm redacting coward because you didn't leave voluntarily but you're still SMUG with your persona. You can hold your breath by following your mask mandate bullshit 15000 miles away.... So you've been gone 8 long years you should have nothing to say about Trump and Biden as you are no longer a citizen here. You only lived here 10 years and learned nothing about our constitution. The US was free before Central and South American nations broke free from Spanish imperial rule. The Japanese never wanted to invade the US because every citizen would be like a blade of grass to them as they all had guns. Flash forward to today and China may as well have a beachhead on the whole west coast states as they're all against guns there and their politicians would welcome a Chinese invasion. Bottom line I'm trying to tell you is: if the US loses or redacts the second amendment then what will happen the US will get taken over by the UN and those that want a one world government. If they can't rig the election against Bolsonairo they'll pull some COVID shit and say that he represents some bullshit danger and kick him from office and then they'll start to implement their total tyranny in South America and the world and you'll do nothing and you'll own nothing but you'll be HAPPY .

Wow, I wouldn't even try to answer to all the drivel you just spewed. Incidentally, I did notice you were very careful NOT to answer anything I said.
But there are a few things I will answer:

I left the US on March 27^th., 2013. OBAMA kicked me off, not Turd.
As an American you need your guns to make you feel like a man, because without them you're nothing. It's not about protection from oppression: the french revolution happened with farm implements. If you had the BALLS to face life like a man, you wouldn't need any piece of equipment to make you feel like one.
But I'm a "coward", right? I mean, being you don't have the balls to say it straight, even when you're hiding behind a keyboard, I will. I'd actually LOVE for you to come and say it right to my face. Then again, considering you don't even have the courage to say it when you're over 15000 miles away, I'm not holding my breath. Then again, if at some point you happen to come across a pair of balls you can use, the invite is standing.
See the real beauty of America? What, little girls enslaved and molested by their fathers? No thank you, the "land of the inbred" is not for me. At least in the cities there's still some semblance of law and order.

By the way, you can reply to me all you want. Come and talk to me face to face, "man". I can't go back to the US, or I'd be boarding a plane right now, but unlike your country, mine welcomes everybody, so you can come here.
But you can't carry a weapon here. I doubt you'd feel safe without one, considering "some bad man can hurt you".

Buy a shotgun
https://youtu.be/F-mztxHgYQo?t=22

When did you leave America? Was it on January 6th? Shouldn't it be Biden utopia and you'd want to stay? You can see and so can I. As an American I need my second amendment right to defend myself against the technocratic corporate government that is about to enslave the whole world. It doesn't matter what race you are they want you DEAD. Did you read the Georgia guidestones? Now that is racism against the whole human race how do you expect that 500 Million people on earth number to happen huh? You to die that is what! This isn't about Trump, Biden but about liberty and the tree wants to be watered in the blood of patriots, cowards and traitors alike. I'd say you are in the middle category but I give you this you see what is coming but you can't avoid it unless you buy an island or move to somewhere so remote they can't track you. They'll just move you to the cities like Peru did to their people. You seem to like the big cities bitching about the whole country yet never got away from the big smug cities to see the real beauty of America. Well hope you are happy because you'll see that you are like the priest that did nothing in WWII:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Pretty soon you'll turn into Australia where they have COVID detention centers where the government can just take you away because guess why? You have no weapons to defend yourself so what does it matter right? The police will protect you more like those in power... The military will protect you same thing. Bashing Trump for social credit will get you nowhere. I wonder if he was just the good cop in this whole madness that is present day. He gave the US 3 good years then turned his back on all of us so fuck him!!! And fuck Biden too because he is corrupt as fuck probably just as much if not more than your politicians down there so I see why you fled but you can't escape this engineered storm by the corporate elite no one can. You can only fight back to expose it.

Mental issues, law abiding citizens or not, having weapons of war, be it heavy or light on the streets is no way of being safe or maintaining law and order. Even a police man with a gun, aside from the danger and fear he or she posses, there is also the danger of someone snatching it and committing some vice with it. Though you might be sane, there is no telling yo what your emotions in times of anger can drive you to and the damage that can be caused in few minutes of anger. People change, even a law abiding citizen or the mentally stable individuals. Guns on the street, isn't safety!

Not at all. I'd rather live in a country where my kids have a chance to survive a school day.
I'd rather live in a country where my countrymen care more about life than about their toys or their political agenda, or  their bank account.
I lived in the US for almost 13 years, mostly in Miami, but also in Orlando (Fl), Jacksonville (Fl), Charlotte (NC) and Fairfax (Va), and loved, pretty much, every minute.
Ever since, HATE happened. I'm not gonna say I didn't find any racists while I was living there.
I did find a few.
But fortunately they were VERY FEW, and seemed to be unarmed. Most of them were dealt with peacefully, by means of a less than nice reply or two, with a small few calling for more physical methods, and a couple needing me to get really serious about it, one with a small folding knife and the other one with a machete.
Luckily enough, neither of them were armed, or at least neither felt the need to use their arms.
That was in the UNITED States of America.
Today, in the DIVIDED States of America, where people invade the Congress because their "man" lost an election, I would've probably have to be armed myself, and would've probably have to have used my weapon more than once.
Now, that may not seem important to you, but it's unacceptable to me.

It sounds funny when the government nuture people that might eventually get vexed for a reason not too meaningful only to get into his closet and come out with a rifle, shoots at you and claims that "it was just outta provocation'' 
 What's the main motive of legalising firearms to the citizens?
Yeah, I know you will say it is best for self defense but in a we'll secured country like America with sophisticated weaponry, why would they be lead into a huge insurgency that's beyond control?
 These is just an indirect way of being dumb seriously.
The disadvantages are much more risky than the advantages if it even has one ..........
Trojane ❣️

It sounds as though you'd rather live in a country where only the government and the criminals are armed. Fortunately, you are perfectly within your rights to live that way.

Yeah, sure. For the average human being, a gun is a firearm from the very moment it gets off the factory. Maybe you should look up "firearm" in a dictionary, to clear out your doubts.

The FACT that you'd get arrested immediately upon the authorities even suspecting you own a bomb or any illegal firearm (including, but by no means limited to the ones I mentioned above, and you carefully avoided), clearly shows you're nowhere near as free as you think you are. The FACT that you need to keep it under wraps only strengthens my point.

But if you wanna talk about freedom (or lack thereof), let me tell you a bit about it: I actually MADE explosives at home when I was 14. Nothing much, just black powder and nitrocellulose. and I almost killed my dad (and set the house on fire) with the nitrocellulose. Yet the cops didn't show at my doorstep, even when I bought both the nitric and sulfuric acids at a pharmacy, and there was a non-negligible amount of red smoke (and a very rank, irritating smell with it) coming from my house. Try that in the US.

By the way: you can keep avoiding the subject all you want. The good thing about this thread is, if ONE person with a brain reads it, there's gonna be one more person using that brain to try and talk some sense to the rest of you. If not, nothing bad can  ever happen that hasn't happened already.

Gyfts: they don't perform eyesight, hearing, psychological and drugs tests for the driving license in the US?
BTW: a few "incidents"? Really?
I guess 9/11 would be an "incident" for you then, wouldn't it? Or maybe not, because the aggressors were not Americans?
When you drive a car you assume risks. So you do when you breathe. LIFE is dangerous. But there's a tiny bit of a difference between risking for something to go wrong and getting into a room full of people, armed to the teeth, and opening fire on them just because you can. I don't see how some bozo slaughtering kids in a school can be called an "incident", or compared at all with something that happens beyond your control.

What medical test? They take your blood or something just to get a drivers license and register all your biometrics? Surprised California hasn't tried to do that with gun owners yet.

To an extent, when driving, you also incur the risk of death to no fault of your own. You incur the risk of getting killed by some moron that drives like they're blind too. But, there is no call to ban vehicles when thousands either die or get severely injured by cars, it just happens to be a side effect of driving. And so in a country with hundreds of millions of guns, you'd expect a few violent incidents.

^^^ You don't have clue as to what you are talking about. For the average human being, a gun isn't a firearm if he owns it and does no harm or damage with it. It's his private property.

Nobody knows about the bomb in the basement until he tells people. It's only when he starts telling folks in public terms that it becomes a bomb. Other than that, it's only his private property.

You're missing a whole lot of what freedom is about, and most of the people who are brought to court for firearms do as well. Only when they let themselves be pushed into being the person on the indictment do they lose their high status of man or woman... except if they have done harm or damage with their property.