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June 19, 2011, 10:39:33 PM
#31
As a future medical professional I see this as absurd. Look around the news and see the rampart issue of counterfeit drugs then think again about where you get your medication from. Not only that, but uses like this is what is contributing to the rapid development of resistant bacteria. Drug companies aren't putting as much effort into researching antibiotics like they used to, and if I recall correctly we're several years off from new antibiotics. I highly doubt your average layperson knows which gram negative and which gram positive variants amoxicillin exerts its bactericidal effect on or how to identify if that is what they are suffering from, what the common side effects are and how to identify a type II hypersensitivity reaction.

Any time I have ever gone to the doctor with an infection, I have never had to wait around for the doctor to do a Gram stain or culture or anything to determine exactly what I had, nor did the doctor make any effort to follow up and make sure I completed the course of treatment.  So what difference would it make had I gone and just self-medicated?  Having a prescription label did pretty much nothing to solve the problems you bring up.  Sometimes the advice of a doctor is invaluable, and I will be glad to go and get it.  Other times, I just need more cream for psoriasis or whatever, and it's exactly the same psoriasis I had last time I saw the doctor, and it's a waste of time and resources to go get another prescription that he's going to give on the spot anyway just when I tell him "yeah, it still works, I just need more".  I may as well just order it online.

I like how people attack me on things I never said. No, the current system (United States) is not perfect what so ever. There is a huge amount of waste in the medical industry. Medical spending is rising faster than our GDP. Insurance companies reaping in tons of money along with pharmaceutical companies. I've seen cancer patients been denied coverage for antibiotics (although somewhat costly antibiotics) while medicaid hands out brand name medications when there are cheaper alternatives.
No I don't think the current MD centric system is ideal. The fact of the matter is they are expensive and there is a general shortage of them, especially general practitioners. The US has the highest (or one of the highest, i can't remember) percentages of specialists. Why? Partly because that's where the money is.

I believe a partial solution to this is for the other health care professionals to begin to assume some of the functions of the MDs and for the paraprofessionals (nurses and such) to take on more duties. This is already happening to some degree, so we'll see what happens.
But I don't believe lay persons self diagnosing themselves with such and such infection and picking up antibiotics is a great idea. If you think doctors overprescribe antibiotics imagine what the average lay person would do. Yes many doctors hand them out like candy (along with hydrocodone...) Hopefully this will begin to change. I've read some interesting articles comparing antibiotic usage in ear infections and how the UK tends to prescribe antibiotics much less than the US in pediatric populations but has a very similar outcome.

The fact of the matter is I don't have the answer, but neither does anyone here. Hopefully we'll get there one day.

But for anyone who is worried, we were pretty much told that the government won't go after an individual buying drugs online like this. While I don't think it's technically legal, they don't really care. Bigger fish to fry.
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June 19, 2011, 04:17:50 PM
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June 10, 2011, 03:56:44 PM
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amoxicillin 500mg, 20pcs, $20 delivered

alprazolam (xanax) 1mg, 60 pcs, $200 delivered

ciprofloxacin 500mg, 10pcs, $20 delivered

azithromycin 250mg, 6pcs, $40 delivered

xenical orlistat 120mg, 21 pcs, $100 delivered

alprazolam (xanax) 1mg, 60 pcs, $200 delivered

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June 08, 2011, 06:59:38 AM
#28
Let me do this in dollars now since the bitcoin market is so volatile.  I do not take dollars though- only bitcoin!

amoxicillin 500mg, 20pcs, $20 delivered

ciprofloxacin 500mg, 10pcs, $20 delivered

azithromycin 250mg, 6pcs, $40 delivered

xenical orlistat 120mg, 21 pcs, $100 delivered

alprazolam 1mg, 60 pcs, $200 delivered


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June 07, 2011, 07:30:27 AM
#27
here is the full list for reference:

amoxicillin 500mg, 20pcs, 1BTC delivered

ciprofloxacin 500mg, 10pcs, 1BTC delivered

azithromycin 250mg, 6pcs, 2BTC delivered

xenical orlistat 120mg, 21 pcs, 5BTC delivered

See end of thread for current USD prices.

If anyone would like to know about other products please ask me-  [email protected]

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June 07, 2011, 06:29:50 AM
#26
For those of you who have an employer who provides health insurance (or if you pay yourself), who have an accessible physician who is competent and caring, and who don't sweat the privacy issues involved as the governments of the world take more active roles in health care- this service is not for you.  For the others, I'm expanding my offering as follows:

ciprofloxacin 500mg, 10pcs, 1BTC delivered

azithromycin 250mg, 6pcs, 2BTC delivered

xenical orlistat 120mg, 21 pcs, 5BTC delivered

All questions are welcome:  [email protected]

See end of thread for current USD prices.


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June 06, 2011, 07:52:19 PM
#25
Other times, I just need more cream for psoriasis or whatever, and it's exactly the same psoriasis I had last time I saw the doctor, and it's a waste of time and resources to go get another prescription that he's going to give on the spot anyway just when I tell him "yeah, it still works, I just need more".  I may as well just order it online.

Could not agree more. Where I live you can generally phone for another prescritption and pick it up from the secretary. You pay nothing for the script (but you will pay to fill it) and it saves clogging up the doctor.

Sure, that's fine. The problem is when strong antibiotics are given to people who don't need them.
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June 06, 2011, 07:49:51 PM
#24
Any time I have ever gone to the doctor with an infection, I have never had to wait around for the doctor to do a Gram stain or culture or anything to determine exactly what I had, nor did the doctor make any effort to follow up and make sure I completed the course of treatment....Other times, I just need more cream for psoriasis or whatever, and it's exactly the same psoriasis I had last time I saw the doctor, and it's a waste of time and resources to go get another prescription that he's going to give on the spot anyway just when I tell him "yeah, it still works, I just need more".  I may as well just order it online.

Well what they are supposed to do is make an empirical choice, take a sample BEFORE starting you on AB's, and let you know if you have to change later.

Could not agree more about repeat scripts. Where I live you can generally phone for another prescritption and pick it up from the secretary. You pay nothing for the script (but you will pay to fill it) and it saves clogging up the doctor.
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June 06, 2011, 07:44:49 PM
#23
As a future medical professional I see this as absurd. Look around the news and see the rampart issue of counterfeit drugs then think again about where you get your medication from. Not only that, but uses like this is what is contributing to the rapid development of resistant bacteria. Drug companies aren't putting as much effort into researching antibiotics like they used to, and if I recall correctly we're several years off from new antibiotics. I highly doubt your average layperson knows which gram negative and which gram positive variants amoxicillin exerts its bactericidal effect on or how to identify if that is what they are suffering from, what the common side effects are and how to identify a type II hypersensitivity reaction.

Any time I have ever gone to the doctor with an infection, I have never had to wait around for the doctor to do a Gram stain or culture or anything to determine exactly what I had, nor did the doctor make any effort to follow up and make sure I completed the course of treatment.  So what difference would it make had I gone and just self-medicated?  Having a prescription label did pretty much nothing to solve the problems you bring up.  Sometimes the advice of a doctor is invaluable, and I will be glad to go and get it.  Other times, I just need more cream for psoriasis or whatever, and it's exactly the same psoriasis I had last time I saw the doctor, and it's a waste of time and resources to go get another prescription that he's going to give on the spot anyway just when I tell him "yeah, it still works, I just need more".  I may as well just order it online.
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June 06, 2011, 07:42:41 PM
#22
Of course, if you are a libertarian this can only be a good thing. The well being of the individual is always more important than the group....

Yes, you are right - people should remain ill and possibly die because some government or private entity deems them unworthy of treatment.

I'm actually not taking a position either way. There are arguements on both sides. The libitarian view is that the individual takes precedence and the group will benefit as a whole. There is nothing nasty about that comment - its just a statement of fact.

If you  live in a rich country with a public health system there is no problem in getting antibiotics at minimum cost after a visit to a doctor.
Choosing an antibiotic for a particular infection is not simple, it requires knowledge, that's why there's professionals who learn about it and get paid by someone to make a recommendation on best available knowledge.

You are right about the use of antibiotics in animals being a far more important source of resistance than over prescribing in humans. I dont need convincing there - the situation is completely outrageous.

And yes, a proportion of doctors are hopeless and dont give a rat's about their patients. They are basically selling them pills instead of tackling what is really behind their health problems. So yes, they will prescribe antibitoics the patient doesn't need to get their fee and get them out of  their office. But its only a proportion, I am sure it varies from place to place and maybe the US is worse than most. If I think I need antibiotics for an infection, I consult my local Dr, she sometimes thinks I do in which case they cost me about USD15 at the drugstore, sometimes she thinks I don't in which case the whole thing costs me nothing out of pocket. The doctor bills the government $30 for seeing me, or if I want to see her out at a busy time of day I pay $20 on top of that - but I digress.

No matter how you cut it there is a downside to freely available antibiotics because inevitably the chances of a wrong choice is going to rise when it is made without appropriate training, and this wrong choice will potentially affect others who were not involved in making it.  The upside of course is that people who otherwise couldn't afford anything will have a better chance of getting their problem fixed. This is the main point of what I am saying - there are 2 sides of the bitcoin.

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June 06, 2011, 07:36:04 PM
#21
As a future medical professional I see this as absurd.

Some one doesn't like being cut out of the gravy train. BTW, has anyone here even heard of a single person you know EVER get sold fake antibiotics? Additionally antibiotics are a low margin product. Why would someone take all the time and money to counterfeit something that will sell for very little? Sounds to me like that is your medical indoctrination talking.

I'd rather have someone (Silk Road?) selling cocaine to anyone than selling strong antibiotics to anyone. Cocaine hurts the person who decides to use it, and his family, friends, perhaps strangers (if the user becomes violent)... but it does not threaten society as a whole.

Antibiotics do. Every time someone takes antibiotics, the possibility of antibiotic-resistant bacteria evolving approaches 1. Antibiotics have their uses, certainly. But they NEED to be regulated. The average person can't tell if they have a viral or a bacterial disease. So if they order amoxicillin online, take it, and get better in a week or so, they promptly associate amoxicillin with the disappearance of their ilness.

Already we're seeing MRSA and XRSA... and when bacteria become immune to a drug, that drug becomes worse than useless. There are a limited number of possible antibiotics, an even tinier number of /effective/ antibiotics.


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June 06, 2011, 07:27:13 PM
#20
As a future medical professional I see this as absurd.

As a lay person I see the majority of the medical profession in the United States as absurd.  Drugs are overperscribed, real medical advice is seldom given (quit eating like that or you'll die vs. take this drug and "try to improve your diet").  I sincerely hope you are one of the few that is able to cut through the bullshit and provide true, compassionate help to other beings.  However, I imagine you're already bristling to defend yourself against my accusations because you identify with them.  And don't feed me some shit about people don't want the truth.  Fuck no, they don't want to hear it, but it's the right thing to do.  You may lose patients to some screwball who will tell them what they want to hear, but I can only hope you're in this for the right reasons, not the money.
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June 06, 2011, 05:30:27 PM
#19
As a future medical professional I see this as absurd.

Some one doesn't like being cut out of the gravy train. BTW, has anyone here even heard of a single person you know EVER get sold fake antibiotics? Additionally antibiotics are a low margin product. Why would someone take all the time and money to counterfeit something that will sell for very little? Sounds to me like that is your medical indoctrination talking.
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June 06, 2011, 12:12:43 PM
#18
As a future medical professional I see this as absurd. Look around the news and see the rampart issue of counterfeit drugs then think again about where you get your medication from. Not only that, but uses like this is what is contributing to the rapid development of resistant bacteria. Drug companies aren't putting as much effort into researching antibiotics like they used to, and if I recall correctly we're several years off from new antibiotics. I highly doubt your average layperson knows which gram negative and which gram positive variants amoxicillin exerts its bactericidal effect on or how to identify if that is what they are suffering from, what the common side effects are and how to identify a type II hypersensitivity reaction.
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June 06, 2011, 06:16:51 AM
#17
Yes Mintaka it is easy for me to obtain ciprofloxacin.  I will post a price and dosage/quantity tomorrow.  If anyone else is curious about azithromycin or other drugs please let me know and I will post these also.
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June 06, 2011, 04:50:18 AM
#16
Of course, if you are a libertarian this can only be a good thing. The well being of the individual is always more important than the group....

Yes, you are right - people should remain ill and possibly die because some government or private entity deems them unworthy of treatment. This argument about restricting use is more about maintaining the salaries of MDs and not so much about the public health. The medical industry in the USA is all about selling perpetual treatments, and not very often a cure. There is far more evidence to suggest that most antibiotic resistant bacteria strains come from animal produce (which are mandated by law to be pumped full of antibiotics), as well as hospital decontamination chemicals rather than over use of antibiotics.

"It's an important mission, as industrial agriculture is the country's largest antibiotic user: Animals consume nearly 70% of these meds, perhaps more than 24 million pounds a year, says the Union of Concerned Scientists. "

http://www.prevention.com/health/nutrition/smart-shopping/the-superbug-in-your-supermarket/article/9b99ce1071ff1210VgnVCM10000030281eac____



"For the study, the researchers purchased 289 raw meat samples, including 156 beef, 76 chicken and 57 turkey samples, from 30 grocery stores in Detroit from August 2009 through January 2010. The researchers found that 22.5 percent of the samples were contaminated with S. aureus and six samples tested positive for MRSA. Of the six samples contaminated with MRSA, two were beef, three were chicken and one was turkey, the researchers said."

http://health.lfx8.com/20110522/u-s-supermarket-meat-contains-mrsa-germ-study/

""Staph" bacteria is nothing to fool around with-it can cause everything from a rash to life-threatening sepsis and endocarditis. And because we've consumed so many antibiotics, the staph bacteria isn't easily controllable by drugs. In fact, in the tests done by study researchers at the Translational Genomics Research Institute, 47 percent of the meat contained bacteria resistant to three types of antibiotics."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/15/staph-bacteria-us-meat_n_849730.html

http://www.slashfood.com/videos-partner/journalist-maryn-mckenna-discusses-the-mrsa-epidemic-500516877-207


EDIT: BTW he is completely right when he says this is 100% legal in the US.
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June 06, 2011, 04:46:12 AM
#15
Do you sell Ciprofloxacin? 
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June 06, 2011, 04:28:15 AM
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Bullox I hope that I have a chance to serve you.  Contact me anytime for this product or any related products.  I answer promptly.
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June 06, 2011, 04:23:45 AM
#13
This to to my mind is a great demonstration of the power of bitcoins

On the one hand vastly uneven markets will be ironed out. Why are designer jeans so cheap in the USA but prescription drugs so expensive? There are lots of anomalies like this an a cheap international online medium of exchange will break many of the monopolies around the world.

But there is also a down side.

Antibiotic resistance is much greater in countries where there are freely available. For example just within Europe resistance was much lower in Germany than in Spain, because they were much harder to get in Germany.

There is a race to the bottom both in prices and in regulation. Of course, if you are a libertarian this can only be a good thing. The well being of the individual is always more important than the group....
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June 06, 2011, 04:13:19 AM
#12
IMO, Being able to purchase/supply life-saving medicine with BTC is only a positive thing.  One must understand the risks for society as a whole for taking amox when not necessary, but to be able to purchase an amox blister pack for 1 BTC, it is at least 10x cheaper (in the USA) than going to a doctor and having him prescribe you one that you then have to also pay for.

I welcome this, and my next BTC mined I will order one.
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