Topic: An american Civil War is invitable here is why (Read 317 times)

in your campfire stories. you say jesus destroyed kingdoms

nah he just fed a few poor people.
even your quote reveals that kingdoms still existed.
romans created the united kingdom after jesus's story ended.

i know you want to think of jesus as a superhero. but if you jumped off a roof. he would not fly in to save you.
he is just a medieval comic book. he is not real.

but i do find it funny how you are trying to subtly make any near future civil war be due to jesus.. im guessing you are subtly suggesting that trump is your jesus. and he will destroy modern governments.

maybe he will destroy modern governments. and maybe you idolise him as a god. .. but reality is he is not a god. and you are just deeply brainwashed into the cultish mindset of most religious people

i dont see a civil war between republicans/democrates
fighting over their beliefs independently

i do see how a republican idiot leader will make a tweet to his republican sheep to 'liberate the nation' and then in a month leave the democrates to clean up the mess and try to calm the nation back down again

There's clearly intense division, though it seems more blind tribalism than "conceptional differences of how democrats and republicans make their capitalism." If Trump supported New-Deal-type programs, most of his supporters would go along with it; if the mainstream media said that the best way to address the economic situation would be to eliminate capital gains tax, most Democrats would go along with that. (Democrats' allegence is toward a more amorphous "expert/establishment/media consensus" than any single person.) Similarly, if Trump had won by the same margin that Biden won by, I have no doubt that Democrats would be saying that the whole thing was illegitimate and hacked by Russia, and the Republicans would be calling them anti-American conspiracy theorists. It's clearly problematic for the long-term survival of the US as a unified country when only a minority of people seemingly place much value in nationalism or the rule of law, instead fighting for their tribe above all else.

I think we'll increasingly see all sides using every lever at their disposal to harm the other side: gerrymandering, frivolous court cases, targeted investigations/prosecutions/subpoenas, bad-faith legislative maneuvering, "vigilante justice", etc. This will lead to less and less belief that the rule of law exists or is worthwhile. Instead of people thinking, "I shouldn't do this because it's illegal," they'll think, "I shouldn't do this because it's the type of thing which will cause violence to be used against me by the state and others." The latter mindset encourages disobedience, especially if you're part of the tribe currently in power, since there's not nearly enough law enforcement to actually enforce laws when most people don't abide by them voluntarily. It'll also lead to a vicious cycle of even more tribalism and even less faith in the rule of law.

If anything like a civil war occurs, it'd probably be precipitated by the federal government trying to do something and local authorities of the opposite tribe trying to prevent them from doing so. "Sanctuary cities" are a current example, or you could imagine states trying to protect some or all their citizens from prosecution for certain federal tax crimes, for example. It's very difficult for the federal government as it currently exists to try to force these issues through military action; tons of courts, government officials, people in the military, etc. would fight strongly against federal troops acting against states. This is especially true if state operatives (eg. bureaucrats, soldiers, etc.) remain fairly mixed in tribal affiliation as they are now, and the composition does not become 90% Democrat or 90% Republican. If the federal government can't actually enforce its will militarily, and if this becomes obvious to everyone, then full secession might follow, or the federal government might have to restructure itself to become less powerful, allowing for more localism. (I'd been thinking that if Trump won in 2020, this kind of confrontation might've happened with California.)

If things change enough in government that the federal military could be used with impunity against disobedient states, then I think that the federal military probably just wins at that point, and any idea of federalism is dead. State governments, Guard, and Self Defense forces would be totally outmatched, defeated, and their leadership lost. A guerilla campaign probably could be effective (look at the Middle East, which the US military has still not been able to effectively control despite the local population having far fewer weapons and resources than the American population), but I simply don't think that enough Americans have the spirit for that kind of violent, protracted self-defense. I definitely can't see anything at all similar to the 1861 Civil War happening again, with two organized armies fighting protracted campaigns against each other.

If you're a US nationalist who wants to keep the US together, I think that more localism will be necessary. One major problem is that people in California have incredibly different cultures and politics to people in eg. Alabama, to the point where it can never be reconciled. Instead of trying to reach a national compromise between two irreconcilable policies, or trying to enforce your policy through political maneuvering, you should accept that Alabama can ban abortion while California simultaneously has its own universal health care, for example. The US political culture would have to change to accommodate that kind of view, which doesn't seem likely right now, but maybe that could change. A few decades of deadlock in congress along with a string of unpopular presidents from both parties might move politics in that direction.

Another major problem is that people are increasingly living in bubbles of lies. Many Democrats legitimately believed that Trump was Putin's puppet, while many Republicans legitimately believe that Trump only lost the election through massive voter fraud. This problem seems to be caused by the overall concept of social media (ie. not the policies of any specific platform, but just the ability of people to silo themselves into addictive bubbles of only very-like-minded people, and the weird effects that these online interactions have on the human brain), and I'm not sure how to fix it, though it is an important problem which we should be thinking about. Usually as an ancap I like to see established systems breaking down, but even I find it worrying that maybe something like 60% of people (regardless of political ideology) subscribe to several insanely stupid ideas which they've grafted onto their identities such that it's very difficult for them to change their minds even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Why are you so negative towards the democrats? Is it really the end of the world to get them now for 4 years? I don't think so. Obama didn't such a bad job in his 8 years. We are all going to survive with Biden, no need to fight over it. Also why would you want to be president right now during these crazy times? Are you honestly believing Biden is going to make such a big difference? The world is still hurting from corona. Biden can't change that, and Trump can't either.

I don't agree with (or even know how to respond to) most of that. But certainly Trump did win the 2016 election, yes.

I would say that most mainstream politicians, Dem or Rep, care about power more than anything else. There will be some passionate idealists on both sides, of course, but for most, power is the aim... which is in large part why they are in agreement or near-agreement on most issues.

like Put-IN trump is a TRUMP card send by the Illuminiati to drain the evil leftists swamp in the US.

can't wait for martial law and swamp drainage by trump,

the left has exposed itself that they don't care about democracy

trump won the last election and got in the second election 9 million more votes, the left only was able to win because it made "all votes count" no matter their meaning.

democrats don't care about legitimacy they only care about power

I don't see these high chances for a civil war in America as you do. High density states like california or new York are usually democrati, whereas low populated states in the mid West are democratic. With Nevada being democratic as well now it would mean the republicans would instantly access to the majority of ports and important air base area 51. Not the best odds in my opinion.

besides white or any color nationalists are not really far right on the political spectrum they are actually quite left, they are groupings of an ethnobiologic communism.

ultimately far authoritarian right revers to purely divine granted and gifted power.

like king arthurianism,

or ghengis khanism,

or mohamedanism

leftists only have power if a poweful individual doesnt take his power. so the divine sphere of the universe creates an egalitarian realm for him to feel save.

regards

what orange hitler trump was not racist, he was just a businessman that threated all americans as equals,

for the left you have to lick the ass of black people to proof your are not racist they are utterly evil and disgusting

The US won't split into two, I actually think things will calm down with Joe Biden as president because the left feels that orange hitler is gone so most of their made up problems go away.

Then in 2024 or 2028 and a Republican might be elected, it will be doom and gloom from the left, claiming the next Hitler is in power.

A bunch of estrogen pumping antifa members and hillbillies from the south aren't capable of doing much, thankfully.

the hillbilly retards are now in power they are the sick and disgusting leftists mob that has declared a racist war against white americans,

if you want to experience a black country just go to africa. its huge, and thin populated

you can't be conservative and siding with biden. impossible those that do are simply being put under threats by the fascist leftist mob

What a lawl thread.

The only one here making anything close to any sense is Franky.

The hillbilly retards already tried the secession/civil war thing a century and a half ago. Didn't work out too well for them.

Seems there are quite a few folks here who've been brainwashed by rightwingnut propaganda.

Luckily not all conservatives are brainless morons like the tards who voted for Trump. Hopefully the actual military leaders will have the same wisdom that the GOP-majority showed by refusing to let Trump steal the election and will support the constitution and democracy by ensuring a peaceful and orderly transition from the Trump regime to the Biden administration.

Law and order? Look out Donald. Law and order is gonna bring you to justice.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/in-a-bid-to-avoid-prison-where-might-donald-trump-run/

Don't try to write this off as "fake news from the left-lib mainstream media". It's actually a right-wing Canadian magazine.

the funny thing about america. is that for centuries it has always been diverse.
but idiots think its binary (2 option)

women did actually work from the colonial times right through to modern times
yep they did

blacks walked on american land for as long as whites did.
infact mexicans and native indians walked on american land far longer

..
anyway the variations of ideals have always existed
there's the californian mindset (freeliving surfer dude lifestyle)
there's the newyork mindset (business/capitalist rat race lifestyle)
there's the texas mindset(cowboy/country music lifestyle)
there's the washington mindset(politics, elitist upperclass lifestyle)
and so on

there is the californian/texas states that love their libertarian/socialist views
there is the washington/NY states that love their capitalist/political views

but there are other states in the middle wishing and praying and fangirling inbetween

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its people like trump that actually causes chaos by playing one off the other. pretending to be liberal by telling people to liberate their state. but then being political by sending in troops against the liberators

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a true next leader of america should not be acting like a puppet master. but instead act as a secretary/administrator supporting those he works for.
EG if one state needs more supplies/access/resources he supplies it.
unlike trump who gets reports that states dont have x or y. and then tries to blame them and treat them like crap.

but hey. its more likely we will just see idiot american citizens fight each other because some celebrity tweeted

One truth I'll like us to examine is the fact that, these variations in ideas will always exist. To me it's a good thing. You can't have a one party system in a nation, the politics would be based on godfatherism and simply handing power over to the next favoured one. Politics based on these variant ideas of the republican and democrat focuses on the idea and not what it is to gain as we have in most political parties and politicians in the African nations.

Talking about the immigrants being a possible problem as they would tend to migrate to the welfare system of the red states somehow concludes on the fact that, the democrats or blue state ideas are not favourable and I really don't want to argue or agree with that but, I'll just like to state that, it goes both ways.

As usual flunky1 plays the self-ignorance game.  Hate is an emotion thing, inside the heart of a person. So, when did flunky1 get into BADecker's heart so that he could view some hate there?

It's getting to the point with frank1, that his total posting always has to do only with his own simple imaginations.

not so long ago badecker had hate for the police due to them trying to 'service' him with speeding tickets.
thus yet another hypocrisy regarding his opinions on cops
not so long ago badecker didnt want to see the police militarised.but now hypocritically does 'coz trump'


what badecker does not realise is when  there has been a plea to 'liberate'. trump then weeks later sends in the national guard to fight against the citizens he pleaded to..

meaning badecker will walk the streets pretending to fight for trump. then have trump sending troops in to fight badecker..

come on badecker realise that trump is not on your side. he just wants to cause chaos with citizens so he can syphon funds into his own pocket. at the cost of citizens lives

but i dont think badecker will realise how he is being puppeted. he doesnt care about his fellow citizens that live near him. he is too deeply brainwashed into celebrity fangirlism

its idiots like badecker that would start riots where the only result is getting themselves in trouble. arrested or dead..
... so here is a safer way to show your fangirlism. put your dirty underwear in a envelop and post it to trump with a note saying how much sexual desire you have for trump... as thats the other way fangirls show their loyalty

new level of escalation reached,

it is increasingly becoming pointless to talk,

as the corrupt left wing media is continueing to lie and to insult the nonracist and inclusive proud boy movement which is only a western male anti crime, pro religion patriot club as racists white supremacists and neonazis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlPYIVFo7Bs&ab_channel=TheTelegraph

it will soon become pointless to individually talk, only individual violence will make for each individual american a difference and then the chaos starts

Trump is a bit of an anomaly. Other than him, looking at Democrats vs Republicans as a whole, there is very little difference. There is a consensus on almost everything. Democrats are outraged at Republican behaviour, Republicans are outraged at Democrat behaviour... but the two parties are 99% the same. The whole point of the two-party system is that it is oppositional, 'us' vs 'them', and everyone is directed to focus on the tiny differences, as a distraction from their overwhelming similarities.

CCP MSM, Big Tech censorship, and CCP fact-checkers are really annoying tbh, remove them, and things would start to recover.