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People in Eurozone can freely use Bitcoin. Simply because none of them is emotionally linked to Euro. This is way different in USA or China or UK or Switzerland or Russia or, ....  I see this as a big advantage Euro zone have. Future for Europe is only united. Divided is way to irrelevant to compete with China USA and India. United research is the key. If every European country will research its own tank is a huge waste of resources.

Yes, people in.Eurozone can freely use Bitcoin and not just in Eurozone but in whole European union..But that has nothing to do with Euro or emotional attachment or lack of it. It's about the EU politics that doesn't have any special restrictions towards cryptocurrencies unles they are used in illegal purposes. And, yes, Europe has much different and more liberal approach to Bitcoin compared to US or China.
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The unfortunate fact is that the European common currency, euro, has been an ill-conceived project from the beginning. If the history of previous failed currency unions teaches us one thing, it’s that you never ever establish a common currency among countries with very different cultural and political backgrounds without a Federation. It’s unfathomable that we need to learn this lesson the hard way, again!
My bigger fear is they'll use this crisis to create said Federation. EU member states are currently all drawing their own plans, closing borders as they please, while EU is grasping to remain relevant.
Losing euro will be expensive, but it's probably for the best in the long run. Unless you work at ECB of course, then you'll do whatever it takes to keep your job rescue the euro.
in this current situation the uk will be in the most comfortable position - still holding on with some EU connections, but whole country is ready to take a break from the union like 'til the end of the year (and does not depend on euro)
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Don't worry, as the US example shows, a civil war and a couple hundred years later there will still be many other things to cause friction besides shared currency.
So what used to be called "war" within Europe will now be "civil war" if we all pretend to belong to the same Federation?
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You don't need to share a currency to share resources. It's the shared currency that's causing friction between the North and the South of Europe now.

Don't worry, as the US example shows, a civil war and a couple hundred years later there will still be many other things to cause friction besides shared currency.
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People in Eurozone can freely use Bitcoin. Simply because none of them is emotionally linked to Euro. This is way different in USA or China or UK or Switzerland or Russia or, ....
Young people in Europe are are just as used to "euro" as Americans are to the dollar, only the adults "bonded" to their national currency before the euro.

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I see this as a big advantage Euro zone have.
I don't think that matters at all. I'm not emotionally linked to my debit card, phone wallet or cash, but I can use all of it to buy stuff.

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Future for Europe is only united. Divided is way to irrelevant to compete with China USA and India. United research is the key. If every European country will research its own tank is a huge waste of resources.
You don't need to share a currency to share resources. It's the shared currency that's causing friction between the North and the South of Europe now.
legendary
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People in Eurozone can freely use Bitcoin. Simply because none of them is emotionally linked to Euro. This is way different in USA or China or UK or Switzerland or Russia or, ....  I see this as a big advantage Euro zone have. Future for Europe is only united. Divided is way to irrelevant to compete with China USA and India. United research is the key. If every European country will research its own tank is a huge waste of resources.
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The unfortunate fact is that the European common currency, euro, has been an ill-conceived project from the beginning. If the history of previous failed currency unions teaches us one thing, it’s that you never ever establish a common currency among countries with very different cultural and political backgrounds without a Federation. It’s unfathomable that we need to learn this lesson the hard way, again!
My bigger fear is they'll use this crisis to create said Federation. EU member states are currently all drawing their own plans, closing borders as they please, while EU is grasping to remain relevant.
Losing euro will be expensive, but it's probably for the best in the long run. Unless you work at ECB of course, then you'll do whatever it takes to keep your job rescue the euro.
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Until I saw the chart image posted above, I hadn't realized eurozone nations like greece and germany boast significantly higher debt as a percentage of GDP, in contrast to the USA.

The top blue line is Italy, not Germany. Germany's debt-to-GDP ratio is ~60%. US is currently around 105% and rising rapidly.
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The downfall of the euro

The finance ministers of the Eurozone are negotiating on the implementation of the rescue package agreed two weeks ago. The only problem is that no one seems to know what was actually agreed. The text of the agreement was extremely vague. This is for the simple reason that political cohesion has nearly vanished from the Eurozone.

This is extremely troubling, as political will, or cohesion, is the glue that keeps currency unions together. When it disappears, currency unions break apart. That’s the unanimous lesson of previous currency unions.

In this blog we detail why the Eurozone has reached its present perilous state, and why it’s unlikely to survive the coming crisis.

“The Greeks are coming!”

The unfortunate fact is that if European leaders had let Greece fail and the banking crisis run its course in 2011/2012, most of the problems now haunting the Eurozone would, most likely, have been resolved by now.

In 2011, the balance sheet of the ECB was practically unimpaired, political cohesion supporting the euro was strong, and the world economy was growing relatively fast—since Chinese stimulus was still effective. Now, seven long years later, the balance sheet of the ECB is distended, European political cohesion is under stress, and global growth is stagnant—with Chinese stimulus impotent.

What would have been a regional banking crisis seven years ago has now turned into a monster threatening the whole global financial system. We have described the dire straits of the European banking section in our previous blog.

A likely trigger for the next stage of the ongoing Eurozone crisis will be a bank run in some corner of the Eurozone. It may be either silent (through “repo” markets, etc., as in 2008) or more obvious with savers visibly withdrawing their money.

If the first significant bank failure occurs in a strong euro member, such as Germany, its initial effects may be contained. But it will breed even greater mistrust of the European banking sector, and, at some point, bank runs will commence on a larger scale and in weaker member states where the outcome will be anything but benign.

The options for the euro

The European banking union has the resources to handle the failure of few small-to-medium sized banks, but not a “systemically important financial institution” (“SIFI” in Fed language). That’s why the responsibility for bank recapitalization will, once again, fall on national governments.

This leads us to the crucial questions determining the fate of the Eurozone, which we outlined in Q-Review 3/2019:

  • Will the ECB be able to provide support for sovereign bond markets through QE and the banking sector, and will it be enough?
  • Will national authorities co-operate and accept the terms associated with possible bailout loans?
  • Will national political leaders, in turn, continue to support the euro?

Currently, the ECB is running “unlimited QE”, and so the support for the European sovereign bond markets is in place. This is crucial as many Eurozone countries have a very high sovereign debt burden (see Figure 1).



Figure. The sovereign (public) debt as a share of GDP in selected countries of the Eurozone. Source: GnS Economics, European Commission
National authorities have also co-operated and agreed, at least on paper, about bailout loans. How strong the current commitment is remains to be seen.

The risk exists that if eventual bailout loans are conditional upon demands for austerity, citizens of bailed-out countries might see EU institutions as oppressors because of such externally-imposed austerity. Citizens of creditor countries, on the other hand, would object to having their taxes used to bail-out banks of other “profligate” countries.

Political mutiny, manifested through radically-populist parties, would almost certainly erupt.  Demands for a euro exit, in Italy for example, could lead to a collapse in political support for the euro more broadly.


The extremely risky “get-out-of-jail” card

If Germany, Finland, the Netherlands, or other “northern” countries agree to significantly increase the budget of the Eurozone in the range of 20%-30% of Eurozone GDP, and to issue Eurozone bonds, they might be able to muster enough firepower to stem the crisis. However, there’s extremely limited support for this in most of the stronger nations, and for good reason, as it would impoverish the whole continent!

For example, in Finland there’s absolutely no support for further federalization. The political backlash would likely be overwhelming.

Realizing a true federal union without the broad and popular support of the citizens of Europe would also be an extremely risky endeavour. It would also violate the constitutions of many member countries as well as Article 125 of the Treaty of the Functioning of the EU, or TFEU, setting the stage for an existential constitutional crisis in the EU. That is why this option continues to be a very unlikely outcome.

Also, if the ECB and/or national governments suffer losses from their loans to other countries of the Eurozone, this would indicate clear violations of Articles 123 and/or 125. This could also precipitate a constitutional crisis in the European Union and make the recapitalization of the ECB far from certain.

The end is near

The unfortunate fact is that the European common currency, euro, has been an ill-conceived project from the beginning. If the history of previous failed currency unions teaches us one thing, it’s that you never ever establish a common currency among countries with very different cultural and political backgrounds without a Federation. It’s unfathomable that we need to learn this lesson the hard way, again!

The massive economic blow caused by the Covid-19 will, most likely, bring an end to the euro. This is something we all should acknowledge and prepare for. It will be the biggest financial earthquake ever, requiring some serious hedging and planning. We have outlined such practices in our Crisis Preparation series.


To end on a positive note, when the euro is gone, former member economies will be ready to accelerate. It will, naturally, not start for a while, but when many export-dependent nations recover their most important macroeconomic stabilizer—their own currency—this will help foster recovery.

And, we should never mourn the passing of those institutions whose time has come!

https://gnseconomics.com/2020/04/21/the-downfall-of-the-euro/


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Finally. An economist willing to address the elephant(s) in the room.   Undecided

Sorry for posting doom and gloom in these stressful times. The main reason behind addressing negatives are in the hope of better information and preparation for future crisis. "An ounce of prevention can be worth a pound of cure." Knowing history can help prevent bad history from reoccurring.

I think its good to have open discussion on these topics. It can be good to have 2nd, 3rd even 4th opinions from different sources to hear different perspectives and views. Yielding more raw information and data to draw conclusions from.

Until I saw the chart image posted above, I hadn't realized eurozone nations like greece and germany boast significantly higher debt as a percentage of GDP, in contrast to the USA. I feel like this type of information should have been made public knowledge years ago. That could make it easier to get problems under control. Rather than have them snowball into larger crisis.

Anyways I don't know what type of discussion this can contribute to, if any. But here it is if anyone is interested.

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