An exact/estimate reason why Bitcointalk doesn't load without VPN for me?

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Quote from: Prelude on April 14, 2015, 08:44:56 PM

I've been having the same issue for the past 6 hours or so. Can't load bitcointalk without my VPN being enabled.

Where do you live? And who is your ISP?
Just want to know if this issue is country/provider specific.

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I've been having the same issue for the past 6 hours or so. Can't load bitcointalk without my VPN being enabled.

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Quote from: 2112 on April 14, 2015, 05:16:38 AM

Quote from: shorena on April 14, 2015, 02:03:48 AM

Vodafone does funny things as well:

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
-LAN-
2 10.218.128.5 (10.218.128.5) 26.468 ms 29.630 ms 29.621 ms
3 10.218.129.60 (10.218.129.60) 34.503 ms 34.500 ms 34.466 ms
4 10.218.129.34 (10.218.129.34) 40.485 ms 40.447 ms 40.410 ms
5 10.218.130.20 (10.218.130.20) 37.577 ms 40.392 ms 40.359 ms
6 10.218.130.26 (10.218.130.26) 43.195 ms 32.402 ms 49.601 ms

It is perfectly fine to use private/local IP addresses on the internal network of the ISP. So those hops 2-6 are perfectly fine as long as they don't leave the ISP's internal network. Funnies & shenanigans start when one sees the private packets routed (or apparently routed) over the public Internet. Try doing a reverse traceroute, meaning from other public address of another ISP to your IP address on Vodafone. If you then see those 6 hops over 10/8 subnet that would qualify as "funny".

Hmm, makes sense I guess. I will need to wait at least two days till have access to that connection though.

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Quote from: shorena on April 14, 2015, 02:03:48 AM

Vodafone does funny things as well:

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
-LAN-
2 10.218.128.5 (10.218.128.5) 26.468 ms 29.630 ms 29.621 ms
3 10.218.129.60 (10.218.129.60) 34.503 ms 34.500 ms 34.466 ms
4 10.218.129.34 (10.218.129.34) 40.485 ms 40.447 ms 40.410 ms
5 10.218.130.20 (10.218.130.20) 37.577 ms 40.392 ms 40.359 ms
6 10.218.130.26 (10.218.130.26) 43.195 ms 32.402 ms 49.601 ms

It is perfectly fine to use private/local IP addresses on the internal network of the ISP. So those hops 2-6 are perfectly fine as long as they don't leave the ISP's internal network. Funnies & shenanigans start when one sees the private packets routed (or apparently routed) over the public Internet. Try doing a reverse traceroute, meaning from other public address of another ISP to your IP address on Vodafone. If you then see those 6 hops over 10/8 subnet that would qualify as "funny".

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Quote from: thebitcoinquiz.com on April 14, 2015, 02:59:44 AM

I am also an India and I also have exactly the same problem sometimes.
This problem arises with Airtel and Vodafone, but nothing ever goes wrong with MTNL network.
I am always on 3G and I have a pretty decent connection.
I cannot say why is this happening , but just wanted to report it and the issue corrects itself after 12-30hours and then reappears in a few days.
Also I always browse the forum through mobile.

It appears for me when using !DEA and MTS. It occurs more on mobile than on PC.

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Quote from: shorena on April 14, 2015, 02:03:48 AM

Vodafone does funny things as well:

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
-LAN-
2 10.218.128.5 (10.218.128.5) 26.468 ms 29.630 ms 29.621 ms
3 10.218.129.60 (10.218.129.60) 34.503 ms 34.500 ms 34.466 ms
4 10.218.129.34 (10.218.129.34) 40.485 ms 40.447 ms 40.410 ms
5 10.218.130.20 (10.218.130.20) 37.577 ms 40.392 ms 40.359 ms
6 10.218.130.26 (10.218.130.26) 43.195 ms 32.402 ms 49.601 ms
7 92.79.230.45 (92.79.230.45) 49.551 ms 92.79.230.33 (92.79.230.33) 36.361 ms 49.841 ms
8 92.79.213.138 (92.79.213.138) 59.029 ms 188.111.129.26 (188.111.129.26) 62.687 ms 62.678 ms
9 ams-ix.retn.net (80.249.209.216) 56.634 ms 58.918 ms 58.883 ms
10 et510-1.RT.M9.MSK.RU.retn.net (87.245.232.2) 109.526 ms 103.490 ms 109.492 ms
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *
15 * * *
16 ddos-guard.net (186.2.165.2) 109.552 ms 109.555 ms 109.520 ms
17 node-186-2-165-183.reverse.x4b.me (186.2.165.183) 106.432 ms 109.474 ms 106.381 ms

At work I get two hops before I get "host not reachable", its probably the proxy blocking unauthenticated connections.

Yes it is the same thing for me, most probable an ISP 'error' but also a bitcointalk problem (but I'm not sure).

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I am also an India and I also have exactly the same problem sometimes.
This problem arises with Airtel and Vodafone, but nothing ever goes wrong with MTNL network.
I am always on 3G and I have a pretty decent connection.
I cannot say why is this happening , but just wanted to report it and the issue corrects itself after 12-30hours and then reappears in a few days.
Also I always browse the forum through mobile.

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Vodafone does funny things as well:

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
-LAN-
2 10.218.128.5 (10.218.128.5) 26.468 ms 29.630 ms 29.621 ms
3 10.218.129.60 (10.218.129.60) 34.503 ms 34.500 ms 34.466 ms
4 10.218.129.34 (10.218.129.34) 40.485 ms 40.447 ms 40.410 ms
5 10.218.130.20 (10.218.130.20) 37.577 ms 40.392 ms 40.359 ms
6 10.218.130.26 (10.218.130.26) 43.195 ms 32.402 ms 49.601 ms
7 92.79.230.45 (92.79.230.45) 49.551 ms 92.79.230.33 (92.79.230.33) 36.361 ms 49.841 ms
8 92.79.213.138 (92.79.213.138) 59.029 ms 188.111.129.26 (188.111.129.26) 62.687 ms 62.678 ms
9 ams-ix.retn.net (80.249.209.216) 56.634 ms 58.918 ms 58.883 ms
10 et510-1.RT.M9.MSK.RU.retn.net (87.245.232.2) 109.526 ms 103.490 ms 109.492 ms
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *
15 * * *
16 ddos-guard.net (186.2.165.2) 109.552 ms 109.555 ms 109.520 ms
17 node-186-2-165-183.reverse.x4b.me (186.2.165.183) 106.432 ms 109.474 ms 106.381 ms

At work I get two hops before I get "host not reachable", its probably the proxy blocking unauthenticated connections.

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Quote from: redsn0w on April 12, 2015, 01:59:47 PM

Can you post a traceroute when you are connected through VPN? I would like to see the difference between your first trace and the second. Thanks.

Using VPN:

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183) , 5 relative hops max, 52 byte packets
1 local ip 412.425 ms 834.185 ms 838.190 ms
2 local ip (172.17.42.1) 383.848 ms 798.146 ms *
3 68.169.44.1.static.vps.net (68.169.44.1) 728.076 ms 864.167 ms 1042.281 ms
4 206.130.126.70 (206.130.126.70) 1473.370 ms 1934.755 ms 1944.318 ms
5 206.130.126.9 (206.130.126.9) 439.704 ms 1064.384 ms 1074.915 ms
6 208.184.34.185 (208.184.34.185) 395.304 ms 847.956 ms 856.974 ms
7 64.125.20.237 (64.125.20.237) 389.252 ms 419.346 ms 449.393 ms
8 64.125.26.5 (64.125.26.5) 431.576 ms 434.454 ms 447.036 ms
9 ae7.edge2.losangles.level3.net (4.68.70.33) 465.098 ms 467.642 ms 478.683 ms
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *
15 ddos-guard.net (186.2.165.2) 614.071 ms 617.848 ms 620.993 ms
16 node-186-2-165-183.reverse.x4b.me (186.2.165.183) 533.539 ms 539.293 ms 546.350 ms

Ping result when connected to VPN:

Code:

PING bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183): 56 data bytes

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=609.490 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=554.117 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=2 ttl=46 time=538.181 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=3 ttl=46 time=739.915 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=4 ttl=46 time=617.587 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=5 ttl=46 time=593.669 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=6 ttl=46 time=619.932 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=7 ttl=46 time=623.516 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=8 ttl=46 time=567.537 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=9 ttl=46 time=587.794 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=10 ttl=46 time=578.486 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=11 ttl=46 time=606.406 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=12 ttl=46 time=532.542 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=13 ttl=46 time=594.031 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=14 ttl=46 time=1965.721 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=15 ttl=46 time=1107.101 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=16 ttl=46 time=589.401 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=17 ttl=46 time=898.194 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=18 ttl=46 time=555.065 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=19 ttl=46 time=529.822 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=20 ttl=46 time=544.758 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=21 ttl=46 time=482.326 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=22 ttl=46 time=596.370 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=23 ttl=46 time=626.216 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=24 ttl=46 time=619.887 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=25 ttl=46 time=998.474 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=26 ttl=46 time=875.255 ms

64 bytes from 186.2.165.183: icmp_seq=27 ttl=46 time=1395.922 ms

--- 186.2.165.183 ping statistics ---
29 packets transmitted, 28 received, 3.45% packet loss
round-trip min / avg / max = 482.326 / 694.749 / 1965.721 ms

Edit: Made minor changes..

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Quote from: redsn0w on April 12, 2015, 05:00:07 PM

-snip-
Can I ask you what is your internet speed? If you want also post a speedtest (using speedtest.net) thanks.

Advertised as 32/2 IIRC, speedtest results in 31.79/1.99/11ms

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 05:11:41 PM

-snip-

Quote from: shorena on April 12, 2015, 04:27:07 PM

Post your trace will you? Mine shows two class A IPs as well, just before "reaching" the DDoS protection, my ping times are significantly better though. See redsn0ws post above, they also have similar IPs 10.10.48.5 and 10.10.68.11

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
3 83-169-183-73-isp.superkabel.de (83.169.183.73) 16.311 ms 24.876 ms 26.022 ms
4 ip5886c9ad.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.201.173) 26.888 ms 27.741 ms 28.585 ms

These IPs do not show when I use an VPN (university line).

What is the point? I don't have routing problems. I always have at least 2 ISP available when at home, and all of them properly filter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet . Is "Superkabel" a reseller of "Kabel-Deutschland"?

Just for comparisson I have no problems to reach the board either. My network breaks down completely sometimes though.

Kabel Deutschland writes the bills, but I would not be surprised if the regional network is handled by a subcontractor. Its essentially the worst ISP germany has to offer, well besides our last one "Hansenet" which was bought and sold by more companies that I care to remember each creating more problems.

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 05:11:41 PM

That setup looks like a typical reseller agreement where the reseller has no technical knowledge to maintain their network, only to do the billing. Perhaps you should ask you ISP why they don't filter martians? Your uni seems to have competent network engineers.

I am not surprised by that assesment, but Im afraid I dont have the two days it would take to get someone that even understands the questions (including those from your Edit2) on the line. We have plans to switch to a different ISP, but that will take time due to the contract.

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 05:11:41 PM

Edit: The only thing of that may be of interest is that from my Eastern European ISP I see a hop to the Western Europe via

Code:

bundle-ether9.ffttr4.FrankfurtAmMain.opentransit.net (193.251.255.201)

before reaching ddos-guard.net which seems to be located in Russia.

Edit2: Since more people posted the traceroutes with 10/8 subnet, I think it may be worthwhile to ask their ISP if they distinguish between bogons and martians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogon_filtering & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet) and why don't they use RPF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_path_forwarding). theymos should probably also ask ddos-guard.net what is going on. I have no way of testing that because all the ISPs I have access to properly filter martians and my access to the internal ISP traffic engineering tools is very limited.

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 13, 2015, 12:07:38 AM

-snip-
Shorena is telling that he and redsn0w is getting non-routable IPs like me. I will look the wiki articles you gave. Thank you!

Can you post your traceroute? That will be helpful.

Apparently they checked their route and found nothing curious, besides a hop into western europe. I can do some routes via other ISPs over the next days and see if I find anything, but it probably boils down to: we have shitty ISPs.

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Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 05:11:41 PM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 04:17:28 PM

I am fairly positive that all four are wrong. I always try to be careful when I install something.^[1]

I am not afraid, I don't know what to do. This problem is happening to chronicsky too and he is an Indian. It's not only for me. I thought I would get workaround or reason if I post here.

It is hard for me to take your statements on their face value. I'm an experienced engineer, but the teenage computer-gaming-kids I know all are well aware of their ping times. So when somebody posts a multi-second ping times like if this is nothing special all I can think of is http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=space+cadet . It is very hard for me to really put myself into your frame of mind, when the teenage kids near me (about 6th grade) all know their ping times and discuss them in the breaks of their soccer matches.

Thanks for the title! Huh

"one who is so easily lost in reverie that he or she loses all awareness of the surrounding physical world."

You maybe an expert in this but I ain't. So I need help unlike you.

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 05:11:41 PM

Quote from: shorena on April 12, 2015, 04:27:07 PM

Post your trace will you? Mine shows two class A IPs as well, just before "reaching" the DDoS protection, my ping times are significantly better though. See redsn0ws post above, they also have similar IPs 10.10.48.5 and 10.10.68.11

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
3 83-169-183-73-isp.superkabel.de (83.169.183.73) 16.311 ms 24.876 ms 26.022 ms
4 ip5886c9ad.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.201.173) 26.888 ms 27.741 ms 28.585 ms

These IPs do not show when I use an VPN (university line).

What is the point? I don't have routing problems. I always have at least 2 ISP available when at home, and all of them properly filter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet . Is "Superkabel" a reseller of "Kabel-Deutschland"? That setup looks like a typical reseller agreement where the reseller has no technical knowledge to maintain their network, only to do the billing. Perhaps you should ask you ISP why they don't filter martians? Your uni seems to have competent network engineers.

Edit: The only thing of that may be of interest is that from my Eastern European ISP I see a hop to the Western Europe via

Code:

bundle-ether9.ffttr4.FrankfurtAmMain.opentransit.net (193.251.255.201)

before reaching ddos-guard.net which seems to be located in Russia.

Edit2: Since more people posted the traceroutes with 10/8 subnet, I think it may be worthwhile to ask their ISP if they distinguish between bogons and martians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogon_filtering & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet) and why don't they use RPF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_path_forwarding). theymos should probably also ask ddos-guard.net what is going on. I have no way of testing that because all the ISPs I have access to properly filter martians and my access to the internal ISP traffic engineering tools is very limited.

Shorena is telling that he and redsn0w is getting non-routable IPs like me. I will look the wiki articles you gave. Thank you!

Can you post your traceroute? That will be helpful.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 04:17:28 PM

I am fairly positive that all four are wrong. I always try to be careful when I install something.^[1]

I am not afraid, I don't know what to do. This problem is happening to chronicsky too and he is an Indian. It's not only for me. I thought I would get workaround or reason if I post here.

It is hard for me to take your statements on their face value. I'm an experienced engineer, but the teenage computer-gaming-kids I know all are well aware of their ping times. So when somebody posts a multi-second ping times like if this is nothing special all I can think of is http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=space+cadet . It is very hard for me to really put myself into your frame of mind, when the teenage kids near me (about 6th grade) all know their ping times and discuss them in the breaks of their soccer matches.

Quote from: shorena on April 12, 2015, 04:27:07 PM

Post your trace will you? Mine shows two class A IPs as well, just before "reaching" the DDoS protection, my ping times are significantly better though. See redsn0ws post above, they also have similar IPs 10.10.48.5 and 10.10.68.11

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
3 83-169-183-73-isp.superkabel.de (83.169.183.73) 16.311 ms 24.876 ms 26.022 ms
4 ip5886c9ad.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.201.173) 26.888 ms 27.741 ms 28.585 ms

These IPs do not show when I use an VPN (university line).

What is the point? I don't have routing problems. I always have at least 2 ISP available when at home, and all of them properly filter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet . Is "Superkabel" a reseller of "Kabel-Deutschland"? That setup looks like a typical reseller agreement where the reseller has no technical knowledge to maintain their network, only to do the billing. Perhaps you should ask you ISP why they don't filter martians? Your uni seems to have competent network engineers.

Edit: The only thing of that may be of interest is that from my Eastern European ISP I see a hop to the Western Europe via

Code:

bundle-ether9.ffttr4.FrankfurtAmMain.opentransit.net (193.251.255.201)

before reaching ddos-guard.net which seems to be located in Russia.

Edit2: Since more people posted the traceroutes with 10/8 subnet, I think it may be worthwhile to ask their ISP if they distinguish between bogons and martians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogon_filtering & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_packet) and why don't they use RPF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_path_forwarding). theymos should probably also ask ddos-guard.net what is going on. I have no way of testing that because all the ISPs I have access to properly filter martians and my access to the internal ISP traffic engineering tools is very limited.

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Quote from: shorena on April 12, 2015, 04:27:07 PM

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 04:05:08 PM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 03:29:14 PM

I think I understand what you are trying to proove. I posted exact lines(except I removed first 3) I got after running the command "traceroute bitcointalk.org". I didn't want to make changes as it may lead to more complications. So...?

I apologize in advance for being blunt. I don't otherwise will achieve any sort of positive communication.

M.Z. doesn't know what he's doing. He's afraid to admit it. He had either:

1) managed to get his computer&gateway working by installing some malware or shitware that screws up routing
2) buys his Internet access from some black market supplier, equivalent to earlier Indian dishwallahs who frequently were resellers of cracked-encryption satellite TV receivers
3) steals his Internet access from someplace with significant restrictions
4) is completely honest and forthright, but pays for Internet access to somebody who does 1)-3).

The situation you are with is typically called "painted yourself into a corner". You are now afraid to make any changes, like a floor painter who didn't think ahead and didn't plan a way to leave the room he had to paint.

Post your trace will you? Mine shows two class A IPs as well, just before "reaching" the DDoS protection, my ping times are significantly better though. See redsn0ws post above, they also have similar IPs 10.10.48.5 and 10.10.68.11

Mine:

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 -LAN- 0.626 ms 0.910 ms 1.502 ms
2 -LAN- 9.889 ms 14.255 ms 15.076 ms
3 83-169-183-73-isp.superkabel.de (83.169.183.73) 16.311 ms 24.876 ms 26.022 ms
4 ip5886c9ad.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.201.173) 26.888 ms 27.741 ms 28.585 ms
5 ip5886ca7d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.202.125) 39.328 ms 40.356 ms 41.375 ms
6 ams-ix.retn.net (80.249.209.216) 36.820 ms 28.668 ms 33.691 ms
7 et510-1.RT.M9.MSK.RU.retn.net (87.245.232.2) 76.542 ms 75.793 ms 77.064 ms
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 10.10.49.1 (10.10.49.1) 83.844 ms 82.522 ms 81.718 ms
12 10.0.4.81 (10.0.4.81) 72.582 ms 79.525 ms 77.921 ms
13 ddos-guard.net (186.2.165.2) 74.413 ms 76.058 ms 80.216 ms
14 node-186-2-165-183.reverse.x4b.me (186.2.165.183) 81.797 ms 75.247 ms 70.918 ms

These IPs do not show when I use an VPN (university line).

Can I ask you what is your internet speed? If you want also post a speedtest (using speedtest.net) thanks.

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Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 04:05:08 PM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 03:29:14 PM

I think I understand what you are trying to proove. I posted exact lines(except I removed first 3) I got after running the command "traceroute bitcointalk.org". I didn't want to make changes as it may lead to more complications. So...?

I apologize in advance for being blunt. I don't otherwise will achieve any sort of positive communication.

M.Z. doesn't know what he's doing. He's afraid to admit it. He had either:

1) managed to get his computer&gateway working by installing some malware or shitware that screws up routing
2) buys his Internet access from some black market supplier, equivalent to earlier Indian dishwallahs who frequently were resellers of cracked-encryption satellite TV receivers
3) steals his Internet access from someplace with significant restrictions
4) is completely honest and forthright, but pays for Internet access to somebody who does 1)-3).

The situation you are with is typically called "painted yourself into a corner". You are now afraid to make any changes, like a floor painter who didn't think ahead and didn't plan a way to leave the room he had to paint.

Post your trace will you? Mine shows two class A IPs as well, just before "reaching" the DDoS protection, my ping times are significantly better though. See redsn0ws post above, they also have similar IPs 10.10.48.5 and 10.10.68.11

Mine:

Code:

traceroute to bitcointalk.org (186.2.165.183), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 -LAN- 0.626 ms 0.910 ms 1.502 ms
2 -LAN- 9.889 ms 14.255 ms 15.076 ms
3 83-169-183-73-isp.superkabel.de (83.169.183.73) 16.311 ms 24.876 ms 26.022 ms
4 ip5886c9ad.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.201.173) 26.888 ms 27.741 ms 28.585 ms
5 ip5886ca7d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de (88.134.202.125) 39.328 ms 40.356 ms 41.375 ms
6 ams-ix.retn.net (80.249.209.216) 36.820 ms 28.668 ms 33.691 ms
7 et510-1.RT.M9.MSK.RU.retn.net (87.245.232.2) 76.542 ms 75.793 ms 77.064 ms
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 10.10.49.1 (10.10.49.1) 83.844 ms 82.522 ms 81.718 ms
12 10.0.4.81 (10.0.4.81) 72.582 ms 79.525 ms 77.921 ms
13 ddos-guard.net (186.2.165.2) 74.413 ms 76.058 ms 80.216 ms
14 node-186-2-165-183.reverse.x4b.me (186.2.165.183) 81.797 ms 75.247 ms 70.918 ms

These IPs do not show when I use an VPN (university line).

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Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 04:05:08 PM

I apologize in advance for being blunt. I don't otherwise will achieve any sort of positive communication.

No problem! I like to hear all opinions.

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 04:05:08 PM

M.Z. doesn't know what he's doing.

This maybe true.

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 04:05:08 PM

He's afraid to admit it.

Why should I be? I am browsing and partcipating in this forum.

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 04:05:08 PM

He had either:

1) managed to get his computer&gateway working by installing some malware or shitware that screws up routing
2) buys his Internet access from some black market supplier, equivalent to earlier Indian dishwallahs who frequently were resellers of cracked-encryption satellite TV receivers
3) steals his Internet access from someplace with significant restrictions
4) is completely honest and forthright, but pays for Internet access to somebody who does 1)-3).

I am fairly positive that all four are wrong. I always try to be careful when I install something.^[1]

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 04:05:08 PM

The situation you are with is typically called "painted yourself into a corner". You are now afraid to make any changes, like a floor painter who didn't think ahead and didn't plan a way to leave the room he had to paint.

I am not afraid, I don't know what to do. This problem is happening to chronicsky too and he is an Indian. It's not only for me. I thought I would get workaround or reason if I post here.

Nevertheless, thank you for your reply!

Edit: [1] was answer to your first question. Mentioning so it won't be misleading.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 03:29:14 PM

I think I understand what you are trying to proove. I posted exact lines(except I removed first 3) I got after running the command "traceroute bitcointalk.org". I didn't want to make changes as it may lead to more complications. So...?

I apologize in advance for being blunt. I don't otherwise will achieve any sort of positive communication.

M.Z. doesn't know what he's doing. He's afraid to admit it. He had either:

1) managed to get his computer&gateway working by installing some malware or shitware that screws up routing
2) buys his Internet access from some black market supplier, equivalent to earlier Indian dishwallahs who frequently were resellers of cracked-encryption satellite TV receivers
3) steals his Internet access from someplace with significant restrictions
4) is completely honest and forthright, but pays for Internet access to somebody who does 1)-3).

The situation you are with is typically called "painted yourself into a corner". You are now afraid to make any changes, like a floor painter who didn't think ahead and didn't plan a way to leave the room he had to paint.

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Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 03:06:51 PM

I don't know what is the minimum information required to rip-off somebody. Probably the most common rip-offs are done with a help offer via Teamviewer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeamViewer#Fraudulent_uses but I'm not really up to speed in that racket.

Thanks for the link!

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 03:06:51 PM

Personally, I don't think you understand the basics.

Code:

13  10.10.48.5 (10.10.48.5)  2463.142 ms  2974.825 ms  5016.395 ms

In the previously posted traceroute you have a non-globally-routable IP address (10/8 subnet) at position 13. I don't know if there's an simpler and more obvious way to detect routing shenanigans than that.

I think I understand what you are trying to proove. I posted exact lines(except I removed first 3) I got after running the command "traceroute bitcointalk.org". I didn't want to make changes as it may lead to more complications. So...?

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 02:34:58 PM

Okay. Thanks for telling! But is it easy to plant malware with "minimum" information? What is considered as "minimum" information?

I don't know what is the minimum information required to rip-off somebody. Probably the most common rip-offs are done with a help offer via Teamviewer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeamViewer#Fraudulent_uses but I'm not really up to speed in that racket.

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 02:34:58 PM

As I have mentioned earlier, my knowledge in this is very limited. I looked more about locally and globally-routable IP. I think I understood basics/theories.

Personally, I don't think you understand the basics.

Code:

13  10.10.48.5 (10.10.48.5)  2463.142 ms  2974.825 ms  5016.395 ms

In the previously posted traceroute you have a non-globally-routable IP address (10/8 subnet) at position 13. I don't know if there's an simpler and more obvious way to detect routing shenanigans than that.

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Quote from: redsn0w on April 12, 2015, 01:59:47 PM

Can you post a traceroute when you are connected through VPN? I would like to see the difference between your first trace and the second. Thanks.

Will do tomorrow.

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 02:18:01 PM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 01:55:36 PM

Sorry for lack of details. What all details are necessary? As I have mentioned earlier, I have tried with another ISP.

The details are necessary for anyone to really help you. The only people who will not ask for details are the scammers who will need the minimum information required to plant a trojan/exploit on your computer, especially if you seem to have just one machine loaded with coins.

Okay. Thanks for telling! But is it easy to plant malware with "minimum" information? What is considered as "minimum" information?

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 02:18:01 PM

The first detail I always ask: do you know what you doing? Like the basics of networking: local vs. globally-routable IP?

As I have mentioned earlier, my knowledge in this is very limited. I looked more about locally and globally-routable IP. I think I understood basics/theories.

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 02:18:01 PM

My experience shows that it is the best to assume that somebody having weird problems simply has very minimal understanding of networking and pretends to be knowledgeable for reasons related to the social status.

I understand what you are telling. I have done it myself one or two times.

Quote from: 2112 on April 12, 2015, 02:18:01 PM

On another forum I've watched someone posting about "trying different ISPs," with no success. Finally somebody posted who knows the particular city. It turned out that the "different ISPs" were just a different resellers for the same ISP, just selling in different languages and with different marketing/payment plans.

Nope. I used different ISP not modified same ISP. Anyway, thanks!

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 12, 2015, 01:55:36 PM

Sorry for lack of details. What all details are necessary? As I have mentioned earlier, I have tried with another ISP.

The details are necessary for anyone to really help you. The only people who will not ask for details are the scammers who will need the minimum information required to plant a trojan/exploit on your computer, especially if you seem to have just one machine loaded with coins.

The first detail I always ask: do you know what you doing? Like the basics of networking: local vs. globally-routable IP? My experience shows that it is the best to assume that somebody having weird problems simply has very minimal understanding of networking and pretends to be knowledgeable for reasons related to the social status.

On another forum I've watched someone posting about "trying different ISPs," with no success. Finally somebody posted who knows the particular city. It turned out that the "different ISPs" were just a different resellers for the same ISP, just selling in different languages and with different marketing/payment plans.

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