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hero member
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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
Speaking of places you can spend it, rent seems like a fairly big deal. Rent in NYC seems like a HUGE deal...closely following AE Property Management in Memphis's announcement last week, an NYC company is now accepting Bitcoin: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10608334.htm

If things like this keep popping up, I won't be worried about the price going to 0, ever.

There is something else to be worried about, though: false PR statements as part of pump'n'dump scheme. Many businesses are claimed to be "accepting Bitcoin" - but when I go to their Web site, there is no mention of Bitcoin whatsoever. Case in point: The NYC company you mentioned does not accept bitcoins. See their payment page, https://www.mysmartstreet.com/payment.aspx
It only accepts bitcoins in the prweb story. What I think is happening all to often is that wealthy owners or executives of companies get personally invested in BTC, then use their companies to drive confidence up by false announcements (or at least announcements that they themselves don't take seriously).

I am a huge bitcoin enthusiast, but I am tired of hype and false-flag bullshit.
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legendary
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OP, you are reading my thoughts. Disagree only with the last sentence. Although bitcoin is really amazing technology, I would not say that this is the most important thing on the planet.
legendary
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MTGox redirecting the new accounts to get verified, Is that new policy? Can anyone confirm if that was the policy before?
sr. member
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Don't ever hold more money in Bitcoin than you can afford to lose, and in general you should assume the whole thing will go to zero.

Ironically, I would say the opposite. Don't keep more money in fiat than you can afford to lose.
A week ago I lost the significant part of my wealth on European bank account after Cyprus thing. But my bitcoins are still safe and gained in value thirty-fold.


How about we settle in the middle and say.... diversify your portfolio and you minimize the risk of any one single financial factor crippling you?
donator
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Don't ever hold more money in Bitcoin than you can afford to lose, and in general you should assume the whole thing will go to zero.

Ironically, I would say the opposite. Don't keep more money in fiat than you can afford to lose.
A week ago I lost the significant part of my wealth on European bank account after Cyprus thing. But my bitcoins are still safe and gained in value thirty-fold.
hero member
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I don't say bitcoin will collapse, no. Price will.
Price will collapse but not now and not when 15.000 new user are waiting by Mt Gox for verification.
They all need bitcoins and are eager to buy some coins regardless of how much will be the market price which will be pushed by them higher and higher.
or they need to withdraw

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15.000 miner ?
sr. member
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I don't say bitcoin will collapse, no. Price will.
Price will collapse but not now and not when 15.000 new user are waiting by Mt Gox for verification.
They all need bitcoins and are eager to buy some coins regardless of how much will be the market price which will be pushed by them higher and higher.
or they need to withdraw

doesnt say shit this queue #
hero member
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I don't say bitcoin will collapse, no. Price will.
Price will collapse but not now and not when 15.000 new user are waiting by Mt Gox for verification.
They all need bitcoins and are eager to buy some coins regardless of how much will be the market price which will be pushed by them higher and higher.
legendary
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Well said.  I think you are a great spokesperson for the bitcoin community.
sr. member
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Clown prophet
Where the mtgox moves - tell me, insiders?

Why the silkroad money launder #1 moves to democracy heaven jurisdiction right into bernanke hands?

What happened to Kaddafi who offered alternate world currency?

Where do they go?
full member
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Hehe... Insiders... They invented a currency which root is in absence of middleman and building economy on two central points of failure.

People still put Bitcoins in "bank"(hello instawallet), they still use intermediates like Bitpay to launder money for BFL process transactions "without risk". They still have ability to lend coins for short (play against own market).

Hey, Insiders! What actually did you change in this crazy world except making nasdaq-99 2.0?

Its growing organically, even still. It is all just part of the process.
 "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."
These third parties you talk about help ease the populous into Bitcoin, why?, because it is what they are used too.


*edit - Hey evoorhees, long time no chat
sr. member
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Biased opinion is biased
sr. member
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Clown prophet
Hehe... Insiders... They invented a currency which root is in absence of middleman and building economy on two central points of failure.

People still put Bitcoins in "bank"(hello instawallet), they still use intermediates like Bitpay to launder money for BFL process transactions "without risk". They still have ability to lend coins for short (play against own market).

Hey, Insiders! What actually did you change in this crazy world except making nasdaq-99 2.0?
legendary
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Democracy is the original 51% attack
DVC a good investment.

Currently the value of the coins is quite high, we can see that even the TRC (who is dead) 0.0056 BTC sale and all other currencies are as follows:

PPC: 0.00267 BTC
LTC: 0.02479 BTC
NMC: 0.00661 BTC
NVC: 0.02022 BTC
DVC: 0.00000199 BTC

Even as that NMC and TRC are dead market currencies and LTC and PPC are very new and overvalued currencies.

The current value of DVC is: 0.00000199
Let's be pessimistic and assume that value can reach 1/10 of the current value of the PPC or 1/20 of the TRC, that would leave the DVC in 0002, an increase of 1,000 times its value!

We can be very pessimistic and say that only go up to 100 times its value 0.0002 still a HUGE PROFIT MARGIN.

Do not know about you, but I'm going to get 1 BTC to DVC and leave the account frozen several months or a year, I am sure that in the worst case I will take 50 or 60 times my investment, and at best Where I can take over 100 even up to 1000.

Why do I assert this? Because we have seen how the currencies to be included in major markets disproportionately increase their value, as happened with LTC, TRC and PPC to be put in BTC-E, and MTGOX LTC plans to put on their market, which would make their price increased a lot and people tipping smaller coin (As happened to BTC), we get those coins smaller TRC and NMC have not already tested structure and be super unstable (TRC for several days does not process a single block ).

At MTGOX put LTC, and maybe PPC, BTC-E will be forced to put between their quotes DVC, which currently shoot its price is just ridiculous.

For the record, I find all the alt coins pretty silly, with the exception of namecoin which actually has interesting features to it. The rest is just the frothy wake of Bitcoin, but hey, I have nothing against competition and I'm glad that alt coins exist.

sr. member
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Clown prophet
Yes, but wordpress, namecheap and others probably may consider stay away from such risky processors.

Their turnover will just disappear. I don't say bitcoin will collapse, no. Price will. Again, two huge differences
hero member
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Speaking of places you can spend it, rent seems like a fairly big deal. Rent in NYC seems like a HUGE deal...closely following AE Property Management in Memphis's announcement last week, an NYC company is now accepting Bitcoin: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10608334.htm

If things like this keep popping up, I won't be worried about the price going to 0, ever.
legendary
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Democracy is the original 51% attack
1) A handful of "respectable" online merchants are now accepting Bitcoin, this proves that real businesses see the value in it. It's likely that others will follow.
This is common mistake. They accept Bitpay - not Bitcoin. You claim you are insider, so you should know difference. Big difference.

Those who accept REAL Bitcoin now suffer from such volatility and get paralyzed.

You should add here that this 2-billion bubble only stays on two interconnected amateur companies - mtgox and bitpay. Bring down any - and everything will collapse.

Let me refute that for you.

A merchant who uses Bitpay to accept Bitcoin and convert into dollars is just as legitimate as a merchant who accepts Bitcoin directly and keep it as such.

The reason is this: Bitcoin's value grows in proportion to the number of places, and ease with which, one can spend it. If every merchant on earth accepted Bitcoin, but converted into USD via Bitpay, then the following fact would be true: Every merchant on earth accepts Bitcoin. At this point, fewer and fewer people would decide to convert to dollars at all. The fact that we aren't there yet doesn't mean the steps to get there are invalid.

And sure, it's true that those who accept Bitcoin "suffer" from volatility. But they've been suffering all the way up to $190. Give me a volatile currency that appreciates over a stable currency that depreciates any day of the week.

And no, taking away Gox and Bitpay would not make Bitcoin collapse, I assure you. Within 3 months, it'd be like nothing happened at all. Why? Because as a trader, it is very easy to switch exchanges. And as a merchant, it is very easy to switch processors. Bitpay's client's do not have to spend months of integration time, and thus if Bitpay disappeared an alternative would be swiftly found. Same with Gox.

Do not confuse a few points of market-based economic concentration (Bitpay/Gox/etc) with rigid centralization.
sr. member
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Clown prophet
1) A handful of "respectable" online merchants are now accepting Bitcoin, this proves that real businesses see the value in it. It's likely that others will follow.
This is common mistake. They accept Bitpay - not Bitcoin. You claim you are insider, so you should know difference. Big difference.

Those who accept REAL Bitcoin now suffer from such volatility and get paralyzed.

You should add here that this 2-billion bubble only stays on two interconnected amateur companies - mtgox and bitpay. Bring down any - and everything will collapse.
hero member
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They are some good points.
I think also that at the moment when begin the the price rally above 20$ it was driven mostly by speculation/investiture rather then real business.
However during the last 3 mounts bitcoin gained a huge media interest and popularity exactly because this price rally. This had the benefit that:
- more people read about the bitcoin and cryptocurrency idea and get familiar with it
- more shops and services started to accept bitcoin
and this way the price development was at least partly backed.
The price will surely crash once for a limited time but it will unlikely come under 100$. A lot of people are waiting a price crash to buy cheap bitcoins so when the price will approach 100$ a huge amount of buyers will jump in the market.
legendary
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Democracy is the original 51% attack
That's probably the most level headed and objective piece of advice I have ever read on Bitcoin.
What you said was true two years ago, is true now, and will remain true a few years from now.
That would make great material for Bitcoin primers


I happen to have written one:  http://evoorhees.blogspot.com/2012/04/bitcoin-libertarian-introduction.html
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