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Topic: An interesting fact from the posting history of satoshi - page 2. (Read 497 times)

legendary
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Creating an account on a website is a lot easier than installing and learning to use software, and a more familiar way of doing it for most people.  The only disadvantage is that you have to trust the site, but that's fine for pocket change amounts for micropayments and misc expenses.  It's an easy way to get started and if you get larger amounts then you can upgrade to the actual bitcoin software.

Was the creator of bitcoin suggesting that online custodial wallets were a good alternative, especially for smaller amounts?

From what is stated in the post the answer to your question is definitely yes. However, it should be taken into account that at that time the choice of non-custodial wallets was very narrow (was there anything other than Bitcoin Core?), so it should come as no surprise that Satoshi had just such an opinion.

Today we have a large selection of desktop, mobile and hardware wallets, but for a beginner who wants to invest a few tens of dollars in crypto, an online wallet with a good reputation can be quite a good start. I would still stick to that “Not your keys, not your coins” rule, but I guess it’s all in the risk assessment and the amount involved when it comes to secure storage.
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
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 and it's not such big of a risk if you deal with pocket money.

See Fig .1 [citation's needed]

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Indeed. If you don't have a wallet.dat and/or your own private keys to backup securely, your probably not doing it right.
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Was the creator of bitcoin suggesting that online custodial wallets were a good alternative, especially for smaller amounts?


This was in the days when light wallets were non-existent or in very early stages, so user experience was far from great. Even things like seed phrases didn't exist back then, so you had to back up your wallet file, and if you happened to receive coins, you had to backup again, if a wallet wasn't deterministic. So, at that time, using custodial wallet greatly simplified user experience. These days, it's not the case, except maybe for Lightning, where custodial wallets are again a bit simpler to use, and it's not such big of a risk if you deal with pocket money.
legendary
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If we are where we are today it is thanks to those like you guys who contributed basically since day one. All of us who mined, exchanged, used, sold and re-bought bitcoin helped it to get to these levels. I will always be thankful to satoshi and everyone else who contributed back then.
It is truly great to get to see these things after 10 years.
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Here is an interesting fact from the past. While I was checking satoshi’s posts, I came across an interesting thread. In this thread, satoshi talks about the size of the blockchain and the time which is needed to download and verify it.

He mentioned SPV clients and how they would be used in the future. He then went on to talk about something very interesting. He talked about online wallets and web-based wallets and how easy they were to use, compared with learning to work with a brand-new bitcoin software.

In the meantime, sites like vekja.net and www.mybitcoin.com have been experimenting with account-based sites.  You create an account on a website and hold your bitcoins on account there and transfer in and out.  Creating an account on a website is a lot easier than installing and learning to use software, and a more familiar way of doing it for most people.  The only disadvantage is that you have to trust the site, but that's fine for pocket change amounts for micropayments and misc expenses.  It's an easy way to get started and if you get larger amounts then you can upgrade to the actual bitcoin software.

Was the creator of bitcoin suggesting that online custodial wallets were a good alternative, especially for smaller amounts?

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At that time, account-based sites were somewhat of a novelty and most certainly other such third party websites have cost numerous Bitcoin users to miss out on the large percentage fiat gains over the years, in terms of today's bitcoin prices.

Whilst these type of services can provide a useful introduction to Bitcoin, satoshi is also quite clearly advocating running a full node and holding coins in wallets with private keys known only to the owner.

Not your keys; not your coins! etc.,

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Smaller amounts of Bitcoin's are always relative ... you only need to look at the earliest Bitcoin exchanges to realize the opportunity cost paid by the earliest adopters.

- http://newlibertystandard.wikifoundry.com/
- http://newlibertystandard.wikifoundry.com/page/2009+Exchange+Rate

Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for blockchain research etc.,
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/verifying-my-old-zero-balance-wallet-address-for-blockchain-research-etc-4630066

65 mined blocks x 50 coins = 3250 BTC x $22,750 = $73,937,500

Fig. 1

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Unbelievable that the old website still be here. The information on email hosting fee (25 bitcoin every week) is another story after the 2 bought pizza with 10,000 bitcoin. 10 Years After Laszlo Hanyecz Bought Pizza With 10K Bitcoin, He Has No Regrets.

It is a very big regret if look back but in life, I think what was done, let it be and go forward. I am not the person who bought 2 pizza with 10000 bitcoin or paid a email hosting service with 25 bitcoin each week but I made some mistakes and stupid decisions. I tried to not feel regret about it, accept it and keep going.

Those other stories are donators and VIP members of the forum. They donated 10 or 50 bitcoin to support the forum and get a title Donator or VIP and badges. How do they feel about their past decisions today?

https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html

Pizzas, don't talk to me about Pizzas ...

Thanks for the trade BitcoinFX!

Your welcome laszlo ! ( delayed response - lol ) I hope you enjoyed your Pizza Smiley

Thanks also to everyone else who has used my BitcoinFX Exchange.

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A slice of real Bitcoin history ...

Bitcoin - The First Exchanges ...
- https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1222242972827377665.html

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I doubt that satoshi ever used a web wallet.

Many others who did arguably increased the value of coins of those who did not !

Something, something lost down the side of the proverbial digital sofa ...
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
Well, he knew that not all people would be comfortable with the software. For small amounts, web wallets are good alternative. As for bitcoin back on 2010, they had no idea what was going to happen...

I still don't understand something, thought. It was never easy to mine a block. At least, not that worthy to reward you with only 50 bitcoins which were valuated around 5-10 dollars at that time. Since mining blocks was hard, the only easy way to earn bitcoins was by buying them. I don't want to look a smarty-pants, but understanding something that significant, would not make me spend them on a web hosting...

I remember reading a post from 2011 saying that we have to buy as many as possible. And at the time, one bitcoin was 50 dollars. He never logged back in. He must be a millionaire right now.
full member
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Unbelievable that the old website still be here. The information on email hosting fee (25 bitcoin every week) is another story after the 2 bought pizza with 10,000 bitcoin. 10 Years After Laszlo Hanyecz Bought Pizza With 10K Bitcoin, He Has No Regrets.

It is a very big regret if look back but in life, I think what was done, let it be and go forward. I am not the person who bought 2 pizza with 10000 bitcoin or paid a email hosting service with 25 bitcoin each week but I made some mistakes and stupid decisions. I tried to not feel regret about it, accept it and keep going.

Those other stories are donators and VIP members of the forum. They donated 10 or 50 bitcoin to support the forum and get a title Donator or VIP and badges. How do they feel about their past decisions today?

https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html
legendary
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Merit: 7065
Here is an interesting fact from the past. While I was checking satoshi’s posts, I came across an interesting thread. In this thread, satoshi talks about the size of the blockchain and the time which is needed to download and verify it.

He mentioned SPV clients and how they would be used in the future. He then went on to talk about something very interesting. He talked about online wallets and web-based wallets and how easy they were to use, compared with learning to work with a brand-new bitcoin software.

In the meantime, sites like vekja.net and www.mybitcoin.com have been experimenting with account-based sites.  You create an account on a website and hold your bitcoins on account there and transfer in and out.  Creating an account on a website is a lot easier than installing and learning to use software, and a more familiar way of doing it for most people.  The only disadvantage is that you have to trust the site, but that's fine for pocket change amounts for micropayments and misc expenses.  It's an easy way to get started and if you get larger amounts then you can upgrade to the actual bitcoin software.

Was the creator of bitcoin suggesting that online custodial wallets were a good alternative, especially for smaller amounts?

I tried to find some more info about the sites he mentioned and their services. The first site was vekja.net. It no longer exists, but there are old archives of it. They were selling Bitcoin accounts, web and email hosting for 25 bitcoins/week back in 2010.



The 2nd site he suggested was www.mybitcoin.com. It hasn’t been updated for a long time but contains a lot of info about exchanges, wallets, and guides. No more wallet services though.

I found this trip down memory lane very interesting. Can you imagine how far bitcoin has come? Just 10 years ago you needed to pay 25 bitcoins per week for email hosting. And look at it now…
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