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Topic: ANACS PROCEDURE CHANGE....update - page 2. (Read 977 times)

legendary
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February 13, 2018, 11:34:56 AM
#58
I've always had a good experience with ICG on my regular coin submissions.  Haven't tried any cryptos yet, but will be in the future.  $29 is total BS for ANACS to be charging.  

Does anyone have a link to the their form or whatever? Thanks!


Agreed, it would be good to add a link to their form.  What does ICG charge for grading?

A few years ago I cracked some slabs from ICG and sent to ANACS and they grade them differently. ANACS was consistently 1 grade lower. The thread showed me cracking the slabs and getting new grades etc... I do recall it being in auctions for some reason...

Not uncommon among grading companies for there to be a variance.  Even NGC and PCGS rarely agree, unless they are fresh from the mint moderns.  ICG may routinely grade higher in the hopes of you using their service again.  ICG and ANACS trade at a discount relative to NGC and PCGS anyway, so I wouldn't send any coins to them that I was hoping to get a super premium for the grade. 

For cryptos I don't see it as a big deal if ANACS says something is a 67 and ICG says 68.  For a rare Morgan CC that could make a huge difference in price, but for this market it's more the 3rd party trust of the encapsulated coin and intact hologram versus the condition of the coin.  Especially since most of what is in this space are just brass tokens or plastic poker chips.  Some silver and gold splashed in here and there, but mostly ugly looking brass.   Wink

The big issue for me is that we have used the ANACS standard since 2013. I would just assume not grade coins at this point rather than using an even lowered tier grading service such as ICGS.

Well that's fair enough.  To each his own.  FWIW though eBay recognizes ICG as one of 4 approved 3PG companies that you can list on their site.  Also, if you look at ICG's grading team on their website they have as much experience as any graders in the business and a couple of them worked for NGC and another for ANACS.  One guy was even a consultant for the Secret Service in authenticating coins.  So it's not like some random guys that opened up a grading service with little or no experience. 

With that said, I'd love it if PCGS or NGC would start grading cryptos, but after the nonsense coming out of ANACS lately ICG is at least worth consideration. 

I agree that ANACS sucks and is considered #3 grading wise after PCGS and NGC. I think it sucks to move from the 3rd best to the 4th best service though. Why even bother grading these if the name on the slab is considered crap? I only graded coins in the past for higher resale values (buy the coin sell the slab). Personally, I am done grading these coins until PCGS or NGC starts accepting them. I think we should really reach out to them and see what it takes for them to grade for us.
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February 13, 2018, 07:22:20 AM
#57
I've always had a good experience with ICG on my regular coin submissions.  Haven't tried any cryptos yet, but will be in the future.  $29 is total BS for ANACS to be charging.  

Does anyone have a link to the their form or whatever? Thanks!


Agreed, it would be good to add a link to their form.  What does ICG charge for grading?

A few years ago I cracked some slabs from ICG and sent to ANACS and they grade them differently. ANACS was consistently 1 grade lower. The thread showed me cracking the slabs and getting new grades etc... I do recall it being in auctions for some reason...

Not uncommon among grading companies for there to be a variance.  Even NGC and PCGS rarely agree, unless they are fresh from the mint moderns.  ICG may routinely grade higher in the hopes of you using their service again.  ICG and ANACS trade at a discount relative to NGC and PCGS anyway, so I wouldn't send any coins to them that I was hoping to get a super premium for the grade. 

For cryptos I don't see it as a big deal if ANACS says something is a 67 and ICG says 68.  For a rare Morgan CC that could make a huge difference in price, but for this market it's more the 3rd party trust of the encapsulated coin and intact hologram versus the condition of the coin.  Especially since most of what is in this space are just brass tokens or plastic poker chips.  Some silver and gold splashed in here and there, but mostly ugly looking brass.   Wink

The big issue for me is that we have used the ANACS standard since 2013. I would just assume not grade coins at this point rather than using an even lowered tier grading service such as ICGS.

Well that's fair enough.  To each his own.  FWIW though eBay recognizes ICG as one of 4 approved 3PG companies that you can list on their site.  Also, if you look at ICG's grading team on their website they have as much experience as any graders in the business and a couple of them worked for NGC and another for ANACS.  One guy was even a consultant for the Secret Service in authenticating coins.  So it's not like some random guys that opened up a grading service with little or no experience. 

With that said, I'd love it if PCGS or NGC would start grading cryptos, but after the nonsense coming out of ANACS lately ICG is at least worth consideration. 
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1119
February 13, 2018, 12:32:34 AM
#56
I've always had a good experience with ICG on my regular coin submissions.  Haven't tried any cryptos yet, but will be in the future.  $29 is total BS for ANACS to be charging.  

Does anyone have a link to the their form or whatever? Thanks!


Agreed, it would be good to add a link to their form.  What does ICG charge for grading?

A few years ago I cracked some slabs from ICG and sent to ANACS and they grade them differently. ANACS was consistently 1 grade lower. The thread showed me cracking the slabs and getting new grades etc... I do recall it being in auctions for some reason...

Not uncommon among grading companies for there to be a variance.  Even NGC and PCGS rarely agree, unless they are fresh from the mint moderns.  ICG may routinely grade higher in the hopes of you using their service again.  ICG and ANACS trade at a discount relative to NGC and PCGS anyway, so I wouldn't send any coins to them that I was hoping to get a super premium for the grade. 

For cryptos I don't see it as a big deal if ANACS says something is a 67 and ICG says 68.  For a rare Morgan CC that could make a huge difference in price, but for this market it's more the 3rd party trust of the encapsulated coin and intact hologram versus the condition of the coin.  Especially since most of what is in this space are just brass tokens or plastic poker chips.  Some silver and gold splashed in here and there, but mostly ugly looking brass.   Wink

The big issue for me is that we have used the ANACS standard since 2013. I would just assume not grade coins at this point rather than using an even lowered tier grading service such as ICGS.
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Activity: 466
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February 12, 2018, 10:24:13 PM
#55
I've always had a good experience with ICG on my regular coin submissions.  Haven't tried any cryptos yet, but will be in the future.  $29 is total BS for ANACS to be charging.  

Does anyone have a link to the their form or whatever? Thanks!


Agreed, it would be good to add a link to their form.  What does ICG charge for grading?

A few years ago I cracked some slabs from ICG and sent to ANACS and they grade them differently. ANACS was consistently 1 grade lower. The thread showed me cracking the slabs and getting new grades etc... I do recall it being in auctions for some reason...

Not uncommon among grading companies for there to be a variance.  Even NGC and PCGS rarely agree, unless they are fresh from the mint moderns.  ICG may routinely grade higher in the hopes of you using their service again.  ICG and ANACS trade at a discount relative to NGC and PCGS anyway, so I wouldn't send any coins to them that I was hoping to get a super premium for the grade. 

For cryptos I don't see it as a big deal if ANACS says something is a 67 and ICG says 68.  For a rare Morgan CC that could make a huge difference in price, but for this market it's more the 3rd party trust of the encapsulated coin and intact hologram versus the condition of the coin.  Especially since most of what is in this space are just brass tokens or plastic poker chips.  Some silver and gold splashed in here and there, but mostly ugly looking brass.   Wink
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February 12, 2018, 08:41:39 PM
#54
Anacs will definitely lose customers because of this joke. I bet they planned an exit scam, but then changed their mind after the btc price drop. In the future I’ll think twice before trusting them with large amounts of coins again.  Huh

The same thought had occurred to me, as this all was happening during the highs of the price and it wasn't until after the market went down that we even heard anything from them. 

Or they were testing was to remove holograms, sweep and then replace them and encapsulate them so as to hide the evidence.  A conspiracy theory to be sure, but a plausible one. 
copper member
Activity: 1918
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February 12, 2018, 06:42:36 PM
#53
Anacs will definitely lose customers because of this joke. I bet they planned an exit scam, but then changed their mind after the btc price drop. In the future I’ll think twice before trusting them with large amounts of coins again.  Huh
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1119
February 12, 2018, 06:09:04 PM
#52
I've always had a good experience with ICG on my regular coin submissions.  Haven't tried any cryptos yet, but will be in the future.  $29 is total BS for ANACS to be charging.  

Does anyone have a link to the their form or whatever? Thanks!


Agreed, it would be good to add a link to their form.  What does ICG charge for grading?

A few years ago I cracked some slabs from ICG and sent to ANACS and they grade them differently. ANACS was consistently 1 grade lower. The thread showed me cracking the slabs and getting new grades etc... I do recall it being in auctions for some reason...
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 1072
February 11, 2018, 10:41:47 PM
#51
I've always had a good experience with ICG on my regular coin submissions.  Haven't tried any cryptos yet, but will be in the future.  $29 is total BS for ANACS to be charging. 

Does anyone have a link to the their form or whatever? Thanks!


Agreed, it would be good to add a link to their form.  What does ICG charge for grading?
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
February 11, 2018, 10:28:52 PM
#50
I've always had a good experience with ICG on my regular coin submissions.  Haven't tried any cryptos yet, but will be in the future.  $29 is total BS for ANACS to be charging. 

Does anyone have a link to the their form or whatever? Thanks!
member
Activity: 466
Merit: 74
February 11, 2018, 10:27:36 PM
#49
I've always had a good experience with ICG on my regular coin submissions.  Haven't tried any cryptos yet, but will be in the future.  $29 is total BS for ANACS to be charging. 
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1757
February 11, 2018, 05:30:31 PM
#48
We should boycott ANACS and tell them to get fucked after this imo.

My last shipment ever to ANACS is coming back to me right now.  i am done, going to try ICG next.
legendary
Activity: 2746
Merit: 1181
February 11, 2018, 04:49:38 PM
#47
We should boycott ANACS and tell them to get fucked after this imo.

I still believe we need a better way to grade crypto related coins, more of an internal team of trusted members.

Certifications or whatever is needed to get this going, as relying on "that guy" as their poster boy at a coin show is simply embarrassing, and I can only imagine the shit show that must go on at headquarters.

The sign says coin submissions @digi, I agree and dont see any sort of slab setup. So he takes your cryptos back in his "car" and drives off to bring them to be graded in the queue?

I hope when he stops for gas he locks his doors with all the loaded coins.


Thanks!
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1119
February 11, 2018, 04:39:01 PM
#46
We should boycott ANACS and tell them to get fucked after this imo.
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 1072
February 11, 2018, 04:31:26 PM
#45
Those supplies on the table are pretty weak as well, not even seeing a slab setup anywhere unless I'm missing it.
legendary
Activity: 2746
Merit: 1181
February 11, 2018, 04:26:28 PM
#44


I talked to this guy today but he did not know anything about the new labels and he was using the old submission form with crypto coinz at $19 each.

He also did not seem to be the brightest bulb in the room.


Makes me think someone could set up a more convincing table than this guy and easily make off with some coins.  Definitely gotta watch out!

It was an embarrassing set up for ANACS in my opinion.  Incredibly unprofessional looking.  No way I would have let that dude leave with my coins.

Why you weren't impressed by the 8.5" x 11" yellow paper print out and staples plastic crappy holder as their table display ? Smiley

Is that drool I see on the guys chin?

geez id never leave a coin with that guy.

Although I would bet if you gave him $20, he would slab a turd and grade it MS70 Smiley

Thanks!
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1757
February 11, 2018, 04:12:25 PM
#43


I talked to this guy today but he did not know anything about the new labels and he was using the old submission form with crypto coinz at $19 each.

He also did not seem to be the brightest bulb in the room.


Makes me think someone could set up a more convincing table than this guy and easily make off with some coins.  Definitely gotta watch out!

It was an embarrassing set up for ANACS in my opinion.  Incredibly unprofessional looking.  No way I would have let that dude leave with my coins.
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 1072
February 11, 2018, 04:03:15 PM
#42


I talked to this guy today but he did not know anything about the new labels and he was using the old submission form with crypto coinz at $19 each.

He also did not seem to be the brightest bulb in the room.


Makes me think someone could set up a more convincing table than this guy and easily make off with some coins.  Definitely gotta watch out!
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1757
February 11, 2018, 03:39:11 PM
#41


I talked to this guy today but he did not know anything about the new labels and he was using the old submission form with crypto coinz at $19 each.

He also did not seem to be the brightest bulb in the room.

legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
February 10, 2018, 07:18:04 PM
#40
ahhhh shiiiit... my backwards slabbed cas coins are gonna be worth a mint!

Hahaha.. Good point. Let's see how they do these now that things have "changed".... The next few weeks are gonna be interesting!  Tongue

I think Blazed will be first to post images. He always is! Cheesy
legendary
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derp
February 10, 2018, 07:08:51 PM
#39
ahhhh shiiiit... my backwards slabbed cas coins are gonna be worth a mint!
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