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Topic: Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers) - page 10. (Read 46564 times)

legendary
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Terminated.
I do not think they even sell two Gigabyte hard drives anymore. Even eight terabyte hard drives are relatively inexpensive. An eight terabyte hard drive will be able to store the entire Bitcoin blockchain for the next six years easily, and that is with a two megabyte blocksize limit.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Archive-Internal-Hard-Drive/dp/B00XS423SC
Your approach: Let me just pick out the first and cheapest 8 TB HDD, ignore all other costs of running a node including the high failure rate of these disks, and say 'you will be able to store the entire blockchain for [enter random number that I just made up] years'. I dislike this.

Since most non technical people do not even have desktop computers anymore, most people use laptops and tablets now instead. I think the vast majority of people will just end up using SPV wallets, it is how I introduce Bitcoin to non technical people today after all, since everyone does have a smartphone. Smiley
SPV wallets are horrible when you consider what Bitcoin stands for. Let me remind you: decentralized, trust-less. With SPV you are essentially trusting a 3rd party. However, I'm not trying to say that we should force everyone away from them. Just wanted to point out the situation.
newbie
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... An eight terabyte hard drive will be able to store the entire Bitcoin blockchain for the next six years easily, and that is with a two megabyte blocksize limit.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Archive-Internal-Hard-Drive/dp/B00XS423SC
Assuming Bitcoin adoption is poor & we don't need to bump blocksize again. 2MB gives us what, ~6tps, and we're ~2 - 3tps now?
Yeah, it essentially doubles throughput. This will make a huge practical difference in terms of adoption over the next few years.

Oh, I agree that it's better than nothing, but in a futile sort of way. I mean, if you don't count on Bitcoin's userbase >doubling in 6 years...
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
... An eight terabyte hard drive will be able to store the entire Bitcoin blockchain for the next six years easily, and that is with a two megabyte blocksize limit.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Archive-Internal-Hard-Drive/dp/B00XS423SC
Assuming Bitcoin adoption is poor & we don't need to bump blocksize again. 2MB gives us what, ~6tps, and we're ~2 - 3tps now?
Yeah, it essentially doubles throughput. This will make a huge practical difference in terms of adoption over the next few years. Since not allowing the blocks to fill up does allow for a better user experience, while maintaining the reliability we have all grown used to.
newbie
Activity: 42
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... An eight terabyte hard drive will be able to store the entire Bitcoin blockchain for the next six years easily, and that is with a two megabyte blocksize limit.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Archive-Internal-Hard-Drive/dp/B00XS423SC

Assuming Bitcoin adoption is poor & we don't need to bump blocksize again. 2MB gives us what, ~6tps, and we're ~2 - 3tps now?
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
I found this analogy to be simple:

Your 1GB hard drive is almost full, you have 2 options:

1. Buy a 2GB hard drive to replace the old hard drive
2. Buy another 1GB hard drive, and a RAID controller and set up a Raid 0 array, so that the Raid software will move 40% of the data from your old hard drive to new drive , so it becomes not full again. Then you have total 2GB of space in your new array, which functionality wise equal to a 2GB hard drive

I think any normal people will just go for the first option, only geeks and technical interested guy will try the second approach, and eventually many of them will give up on the second setup because it is just too complex to implement and maintain, and a Raid 0 will have higher risk of failure, it does not worth the effort
I do not think they even sell two Gigabyte hard drives anymore. Even eight terabyte hard drives are relatively inexpensive. An eight terabyte hard drive will be able to store the entire Bitcoin blockchain for the next six years easily, and that is with a two megabyte blocksize limit.

Though good trick with the Raid setup, might be easier then syncing from scratch or downloading a bootstrap. I do think running full nodes today is already restricted to geeks and technical interested guys. Since most non technical people do not even have desktop computers anymore, most people use laptops and tablets now instead. I think the vast majority of people will just end up using SPV wallets, it is how I introduce Bitcoin to non technical people today after all, since everyone does have a smartphone. Smiley

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Archive-Internal-Hard-Drive/dp/B00XS423SC
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 3080
is that a Josh Zerlan joke, bett? Well done for searching my post history so hard; Cartman's Tea Party is a recycled Zerlan joke  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 2576
Merit: 1087
I think Sgbett responded to this propaganda strategy of yours well:



HI BETT YOU ARE VERY INTEGRITY AND MUCH WISDOM

WHY THANK YOU VERITAS IT'S SO NICE TO MEET YOU HERE, YOU ARE HIGHLY INTELLIGENCE

Never go full LambChop Wink
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1014
Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
I think Sgbett responded to this propaganda strategy of yours well:



HI BETT YOU ARE VERY INTEGRITY AND MUCH WISDOM

WHY THANK YOU VERITAS IT'S SO NICE TO MEET YOU HERE, YOU ARE HIGHLY INTELLIGENCE

Baaaahaaaahaaaa!!! I give up, that's too funny!



HI BETT YOU ARE VERY INTEGRITY AND MUCH WISDOM

WHY THANK YOU VERITAS IT'S SO NICE TO MEET YOU HERE, YOU ARE HIGHLY INTELLIGENCE
No different from when my mom tells me that I'm beautiful.

Hmmmm.... But?.... Your mom??.....oh well, bitcoiners.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 3000
Terminated.
I think any normal people will just go for the first option, only geeks and technical interested guy will try the second approach, and eventually many of them will give up on the second setup because it is just too complex to implement and maintain, and a Raid 0 will have higher risk of failure, it does not worth the effort
RAID 0 does not have a high risk of failure and it is usually used for much better performance not endurance/storage and thus this analogy is wrong. Let's move on.

HI BETT YOU ARE VERY INTEGRITY AND MUCH WISDOM

WHY THANK YOU VERITAS IT'S SO NICE TO MEET YOU HERE, YOU ARE HIGHLY INTELLIGENCE
No different from when my mom tells me that I'm beautiful.

I think you are starting to crack under the pressure gmax.
I'm surprised you're even posting in a #REKT thread lol.
No, he's not. He made a great point and your counter argument is 'you're starting to crack under pressure'.  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 3080
I think Sgbett responded to this propaganda strategy of yours well:



HI BETT YOU ARE VERY INTEGRITY AND MUCH WISDOM

WHY THANK YOU VERITAS IT'S SO NICE TO MEET YOU HERE, YOU ARE HIGHLY INTELLIGENCE
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
teeming unbanked

Nice turn of phrase.  Consider it stolen.

As the Father of All Truth, Bitcoin is a liberation theology, promising the teeming masses (banked or otherwise) a future day of fiat jubilation.


The true value that Bitcoin brings to the table is not "everyone gets to write into the holy ledger", it is instead "everyone gets to benefit from sane and non-inflationary financial instutions whose sanity and honesty are ensured by the holy blockchain".  -davout

Adherents will defend its diverse/diffuse/defensible/resilient properties from adversity such as your latest social engineering attack, and grow stronger with experience.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
I found this analogy to be simple:

Your 1GB hard drive is almost full, you have 2 options:

1. Buy a 2GB hard drive to replace the old hard drive
2. Buy another 1GB hard drive, and a RAID controller and set up a Raid 0 array, so that the Raid software will move 40% of the data from your old hard drive to new drive , so it becomes not full again. Then you have total 2GB of space in your new array, which functionality wise equal to a 2GB hard drive

I think any normal people will just go for the first option, only geeks and technical interested guy will try the second approach, and eventually many of them will give up on the second setup because it is just too complex to implement and maintain, and a Raid 0 will have higher risk of failure, it does not worth the effort

You don't think an absurd, Kafkaesqe metaphor would have been more helpful? Huh
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1012
Beyond Imagination
I found this analogy to be simple:

Your 1GB hard drive is almost full, you have 2 options:

1. Buy a 2GB hard drive to replace the old hard drive
2. Buy another 1GB hard drive, and a RAID controller and set up a Raid 0 array, so that the Raid software will move 40% of the data from your old hard drive to new drive , so it becomes not full again. Then you have total 2GB of space in your new array, which functionality wise equal to a 2GB hard drive

I think any normal people will just go for the first option, only geeks and technical interested guy will try the second approach, and eventually many of them will give up on the second setup because it is just too complex to implement and maintain, and a Raid 0 will have higher risk of failure, it does not worth the effort
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
You don't understand how Lightning works then; the transactions are on-chain, but the settlement is still only per block.

I've found that directing people to the description of transaction cut-through has helped open their eyes to the fact that transactions can use the blockchain without every one of them being stuffed into it.

Could you imagine a country designed by block maximalists? Every trade, agreement, and contract would have to be held before the highest court!

"How can business be possible with only 125 cases per year?  We must scale the court!"

Can you imagine if a spoon was a fork?

What a pain it would be to eat soup!


I think you are starting to crack under the pressure gmax.
I'm surprised you're even posting in a #REKT thread lol.

"Block maximalists"?  NO, we just want 2 freaking MB
so we can feel like we're not being stonewalled and
made to wait with no clear time table...and
we don't want to wait until blocks are so full that the
network is grinding to a halt.

Is that so unreasonable?  Or was I right that
its just not your in business interests to
support that?





Lookit! This isn't a democracy. You can't just question things. You want to ask about Satoshi? It's silly. Don't! Want to discuss technical details you aren't possibly qualified to understand? Get over to Reddit with the rest of the teeming unbanked. Either accept the changes being made to the Holy Ledger or find yourself a nice altcoin somewhere!

s/
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Bitcoin Unlimited is live now, and anyone can freely choose to run Bitcoin Unlimited


I sense a great disturbance in the Farce, as if a 100 billion sentient beings laughed out loud, all at once!
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
You don't understand how Lightning works then; the transactions are on-chain, but the settlement is still only per block.

I've found that directing people to the description of transaction cut-through has helped open their eyes to the fact that transactions can use the blockchain without every one of them being stuffed into it.

Could you imagine a country designed by block maximalists? Every trade, agreement, and contract would have to be held before the highest court!

"How can business be possible with only 125 cases per year?  We must scale the court!"

Can you imagine if a spoon was a fork?

What a pain it would be to eat soup!


I think you are starting to crack under the pressure gmax.
I'm surprised you're even posting in a #REKT thread lol.

"Block maximalists"?  NO, we just want 2 freaking MB
so we can feel like we're not being stonewalled and
made to wait with no clear time table...and
we don't want to wait until blocks are so full that the
network is grinding to a halt.

Is that so unreasonable?  Or was I right that
its just not your in business interests to
support that?



legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
Could you imagine a country designed by block maximalists? Every trade, agreement, and contract would have to be held before the highest court!

"How can business be possible with only 125 cases per year?  We must scale the court!"

What a delicious analogy!   Cheesy

Every coffee purchase must be recorded in the Federal Register with Public Notice; every speeding ticket appeal must be immediately heard before the Supreme Court.

Every opinion must be given prime-time coverage or else ZOMG SENSOR SHIPS.

ToominLand sounds like an absurd, shitty place to actually live.  Basically California 2.0.   Roll Eyes

I'm sure Greg loves having an actual fascist on board. Really gives meat to the analogy. Delicious.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Could you imagine a country designed by block maximalists? Every trade, agreement, and contract would have to be held before the highest court!

"How can business be possible with only 125 cases per year?  We must scale the court!"

What a delicious analogy!   Cheesy

Every coffee purchase must be recorded in the Federal Register with Public Notice; every speeding ticket appeal must be immediately heard before the Supreme Court.

Every opinion must be given prime-time coverage or else ZOMG SENSOR SHIPS.

ToominLand sounds like an absurd, shitty place to actually live.  Basically California 2.0.   Roll Eyes
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
People can use lighting if they want to or not, that is their choice and that is fine. However arbitrarily restricting the blocksize, especially as technology increases for the purpose of incentivizing people to move more of their transactions off chain is wrong. Give people the free choice, if they prefer to use the lighting network over Bitcoin then that is fine and we will not need to increase the blocksize again.
Given the free choice, people will design the most bonkers Bitcoin you can imagine. I'm happy to see Core do it for now; because they're objectively sticking to the cypher-punk credos better than the so-called competition. Maybe an alternative implementation that actually blows the Core teams cypher-punk credentials out of the water could emerge, but until then, it's Core for cypher-punks.
You are admitting here that you do not believe in the collective wisdom of peoples free choice. And that you are happy that Core is attempting to act contrary to this will. I am sorry that you do not understand yet that Bitcoin is governed by the people, but that is the case. I think this is a good thing, you have made it quite clear here that you do not.

Today however, the blocks are filling up and many people do not want a fee market. It is wrong for Core to attempt to unilaterally decide to change the economic policy of Bitcoin in this way. Lighting network is not complete and neither is SegWit,
People want secure bitcoins. "Nothing in this life comes truly for free", as they say, and the only way to pay for that is with fees. Bitcoin basics is at the wiki site.
People can decide for themselves what kind of a Bitcoin they want. Pointing towards a censored wiki site controlled by theymos certainly does reinforce this position of yours.

You say that you support the cypherpunk cause, however the cypherpunks believed and stood for freedom. You are not promoting freedom but its opposite, you are attempting to justify the control of something that is meant to be free.

we can simply increase the blocksize to two megabytes. This will not destroy Bitcoin, as some people claim. This will allow Bitcoin to continue to grow, which is good for both decentralization and global financial freedom.
You know as well as I that both the SegWit fork and a blocksize fork take several month to co-ordinate, and that's just when there actually is a genuine consensus to change. Un-coordinated? Well, both XT and Classic have a current projected fork date of roughly the end of all eternity, so it's not looking so good for that approach.
The people could fork the network tomorrow if they wanted to, or in a few weeks, the majority of Chinese mining pools even stated recently that they will modify the code themselves if it came to it, furthermore Bitcoin Unlimited is live now, and anyone can freely choose to run Bitcoin Unlimited, which will make your node compatible with any blocksize limit proposal supported by the majority of the hashing power.

I think Sgbett responded to this propaganda strategy of yours well:

These people post in such a way to suggest they think they *know* the future, when in fact that is impossible, because the future is uncertain. A statement in which someone claims to know the future is by definition a lie.

Posting that statement repeatedly is exactly what you described when you said "repeat the lie so often that it becomes the truth"

You could accuse me of the same thing "Keep at it; not long now" could allude to me thinking that one particular outcome is foregone conclusion, but it could also just be that I think that a resolution either way could be coming soon. The crowd will decide what they decide. Wink
Classic - its not even been released yet. So here you cannot possibly say it has been rejected by the community, but you have. The "In reality" makes it really hard for you to argue that you weren't presenting this as fact.
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
Warning: Confrmed Gavinista
Every trade, agreement, and contract would have to be held before the highest court!


Thankfully contract law doesn't go along the lines of "I don't care how you do anything, just as long as the end result is X"

And that is for a reason.
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