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Topic: Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers) - page 59. (Read 46564 times)
January 09, 2016, 10:31:54 PM
January 09, 2016, 08:19:19 PM
Not only, but it's mainly the disk space...
So propagation delay is now considered a minor issue? Ah, the propagation delay.... That is indeed a major issue. Thanks for bringing that up.
You'd think with it being so important and all that someone might have been working on it, but... ya know... segwit, LN, rbf...
Oh, is that "Relay Network" I hear you saying? External solution to a problem caused by internal smelly code?
"Lets send all the transactions to a node, and then send all the same transactions to the node again as a block - just to be sure."
- "But that causes a huge propagation delay if bitcoin ever succeeds and transactions increase. Cant we just fix it?"
"Fix it? Are you mad!! That would take, like, a 100 lines of code. Its much easier to radically change the way bitcoin works via RBF, segwit and LN first. If they all work out in 2-3 years, we might look at your crazy reckless 100 line code change."
January 09, 2016, 08:16:19 PM
How did I miss this thread? I could swear I was a big block shill. What more must I do?!?!
I think they got confused by your Blockstream Appreciation thread.
January 09, 2016, 08:13:57 PM
Not only, but it's mainly the disk space...
So propagation delay is now considered a minor issue? sorry but propagation is not an issue.
if you can watch netflix then you got no worries about bandwidth
eg
2mb blocks = 12mb an hour
4mb blocks = 24mb an hour
8mb blocks= 48mb an hour
netflix SD = 1000mb an hour(20x-80x more bandwidth requirement for netflix compared to bitcoin no matter what block size proposal goes forward )
netflix HD=3000mb an hour(60x-240x more bandwidth requirement for netflix compared to bitcoin no matter what block size proposal goes forward )
and 33million people dont seem to be complaining about bandwidth issues
I would think you'll send your received blocks to more than 1 other node.
well the maths is there..
January 09, 2016, 08:11:57 PM
At least not when it comes to storage space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W01HP4642
$124 for 4tb.
Bandwidth OTOH... But I got an offer from my isp of a 500MB/50MB line for $99 a month. Not exactly cheap, but for a drooling nerd it's a "worthwhile investment".
Your post is a fine example of faulty generalization and nonsense. You are trying to present that price point as available to everyone which is not even close in reality. Most people of the world do not have access to those prices and a single TB tends to cost ~100$ depending on where you live. With bandwidth it is much worse with the world average being 5.0 Mbps.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W01HP4642
$124 for 4tb.
Bandwidth OTOH... But I got an offer from my isp of a 500MB/50MB line for $99 a month. Not exactly cheap, but for a drooling nerd it's a "worthwhile investment".
... we haven't even hit the 1mb limit yet. If you imagine that I live in the future then you might see how this is relevant. Except I don't. This is not available to everyone, but it is to many. Maybe not to Luke-Jr's hut in the middle of the Appalachian Jungle, but to many.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds
South Korea 20.5MB
Sweden 17.5MB
United States 12.6MB
Israel 11.2MB
New Zealand 8.7MB
Thailand 8.2MB
United Emirates 6.8MB
Uruguay 5.9MB
South Africa 3.7MB
But these are averages. Which means that in low to medium income countries, especially those with large landmasses, you'll find large areas pulling down the averages.
How did I miss this thread? I could swear I was a big block shill. What more must I do?!?!
@Fatty Edited to include hyperlink to satirical shill thread.
January 09, 2016, 08:03:05 PM
Not only, but it's mainly the disk space...
So propagation delay is now considered a minor issue? sorry but propagation is not an issue.
if you can watch netflix then you got no worries about bandwidth
eg
2mb blocks = 12mb an hour
4mb blocks = 24mb an hour
8mb blocks= 48mb an hour
netflix SD = 1000mb an hour(20x-80x more bandwidth requirement for netflix compared to bitcoin no matter what block size proposal goes forward )
netflix HD=3000mb an hour(60x-240x more bandwidth requirement for netflix compared to bitcoin no matter what block size proposal goes forward )
and 33million people dont seem to be complaining about bandwidth issues
I would think you'll send your received blocks to more than 1 other node.
January 09, 2016, 07:48:03 PM
Not only, but it's mainly the disk space...
So propagation delay is now considered a minor issue? sorry but propagation is not an issue.
if you can watch netflix then you got no worries about bandwidth
eg
2mb blocks = 12mb an hour
4mb blocks = 24mb an hour
8mb blocks= 48mb an hour
netflix SD = 1000mb an hour(20x-80x more bandwidth requirement for netflix compared to bitcoin no matter what block size proposal goes forward )
netflix HD=3000mb an hour(60x-240x more bandwidth requirement for netflix compared to bitcoin no matter what block size proposal goes forward )
and 33million people dont seem to be complaining about bandwidth issues
January 09, 2016, 07:22:47 PM
At least not when it comes to storage space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W01HP4642
$124 for 4tb.
Bandwidth OTOH... But I got an offer from my isp of a 500MB/50MB line for $99 a month. Not exactly cheap, but for a drooling nerd it's a "worthwhile investment".
Your post is a fine example of faulty generalization and nonsense. You are trying to present that price point as available to everyone which is not even close in reality. Most people of the world do not have access to those prices and a single TB tends to cost ~100$ depending on where you live. With bandwidth it is much worse with the world average being 5.0 Mbps.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W01HP4642
$124 for 4tb.
Bandwidth OTOH... But I got an offer from my isp of a 500MB/50MB line for $99 a month. Not exactly cheap, but for a drooling nerd it's a "worthwhile investment".
... we haven't even hit the 1mb limit yet. If you imagine that I live in the future then you might see how this is relevant. Except I don't. This is not available to everyone, but it is to many. Maybe not to Luke-Jr's hut in the middle of the Appalachian Jungle, but to many.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds
South Korea 20.5MB
Sweden 17.5MB
United States 12.6MB
Israel 11.2MB
New Zealand 8.7MB
Thailand 8.2MB
United Emirates 6.8MB
Uruguay 5.9MB
South Africa 3.7MB
But these are averages. Which means that in low to medium income countries, especially those with large landmasses, you'll find large areas pulling down the averages.
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I'm not sure how this exactly is relevant to the OP?
You're right. Ordnung Muss Sein. Especially in a thread dedicated to branding and hunting down misfits.
I guess I should be on the list as well. HA!!! How much more relevant can you get?
January 09, 2016, 06:41:04 PM
Not only, but it's mainly the disk space...
So propagation delay is now considered a minor issue? You'd have to ask him, I'm just the messenger. Doesn't really matter tho, there is consensus on the roadmap.
January 09, 2016, 06:34:26 PM
The Gavinistas are disturbingly fixated on personal attacks (doxing, threats, etc) against Bitcoin's defenders.
Specifically and recently, I'm talking about dropt and rocks.
More generally, it's a shame they managed to force GMAX out of Core's committers. I'm reminded of the (attribution needed) phrase 'if the system is solid, attack the people.'
There is a special level of pity reserved for those who swore to fork off from this terrible Sensor Ship forum run by HitlerThermos, yet cannot help but get bored in their rump venue ghost towns and come back just to flamebait and shitpost.
Specifically and recently, I'm talking about dropt and rocks.
More generally, it's a shame they managed to force GMAX out of Core's committers. I'm reminded of the (attribution needed) phrase 'if the system is solid, attack the people.'
There is a special level of pity reserved for those who swore to fork off from this terrible Sensor Ship forum run by HitlerThermos, yet cannot help but get bored in their rump venue ghost towns and come back just to flamebait and shitpost.
hahahahaha
ghost towns are a huge theme these days
totally over run by shills, empty houses
empty commercial buildings and for
sale for rent signs, as they squash
and jam pack everyone into the corporatized
mega cities,
January 09, 2016, 06:30:15 PM
Not only, but it's mainly the disk space...
So propagation delay is now considered a minor issue? January 09, 2016, 06:26:04 PM
yeo and in 2-5 years a 4tb-6tb will be under $100.. so scalability is not an issue
Scalability is not about storage only. Not only, but it's mainly the disk space...
January 09, 2016, 06:18:31 PM
At least not when it comes to storage space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W01HP4642
$124 for 4tb.
Bandwidth OTOH... But I got an offer from my isp of a 500MB/50MB line for $99 a month. Not exactly cheap, but for a drooling nerd it's a "worthwhile investment".
Your post is a fine example of faulty generalization and nonsense. You are trying to present that price point as available to everyone which is not even close in reality. Most people of the world do not have access to those prices and a single TB tends to cost ~100$ depending on where you live. With bandwidth it is much worse with the world average being 5.0 Mbps. I'm not sure how this exactly is relevant to the OP?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W01HP4642
$124 for 4tb.
Bandwidth OTOH... But I got an offer from my isp of a 500MB/50MB line for $99 a month. Not exactly cheap, but for a drooling nerd it's a "worthwhile investment".
yeo and in 2-5 years a 4tb-6tb will be under $100.. so scalability is not an issue
Scalability is not about storage only. 
January 09, 2016, 06:04:49 PM
i just dont see a rational and logical reason why upping the block limit is going to be so disastrous
Try downloading the gigabloatchain once they raise the block size... 60GB is already a pain today.
60gb for 7 years of data..
i dare you to watch 7 years of tv shows..
i dare you to install all versions of GTA
i dare you to install all versions of call of duty
i bet your more willing to watch netflix or download games 2 times a year
the funny thing is no one complains about watching 60 netflix shows. or playing just 2 games.. but somehow something that is worth more to them then $50 worth of subscription or gaming.. EG holders of atleast 1bitcoin.. cry that its too much to handle.. 60gb of data
yes its a hassle downloading at first. but once its done you wont even notice it and wont care that its in the background for the next few decades.
inshort if you have GTA or call of duty on your hard drive, and happy to have it.. then you have nothing to cry about
WTF is this? How old are you? I think your brain got lost in the video games and TV shows.
There, I highlighted the relevant part. Barrier entry much, but you noobs are into SPV right?
January 09, 2016, 05:40:58 PM
You are right, 60GB doesn't look so big... 
yep
and a 2tb hard drive for 20 years of 2mb or 5 years of 8mb= $92, not really breaking the bank for 5-20 years storage needs ($4.60-$19 a year)
You'll probably want to change your hard drive before it fills up anyway. They don't last forever.
yeo and in 2-5 years a 4tb-6tb will be under $100.. so scalability is not an issue
At least not when it comes to storage space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W01HP4642
$124 for 4tb.
Bandwidth OTOH... But I got an offer from my isp of a 500MB/50MB line for $99 a month. Not exactly cheap, but for a drooling nerd it's a "worthwhile investment".
January 09, 2016, 05:31:25 PM
You are right, 60GB doesn't look so big...
yep
and a 2tb hard drive for 20 years of 2mb or 5 years of 8mb= $92, not really breaking the bank for 5-20 years storage needs ($4.60-$19 a year)
You'll probably want to change your hard drive before it fills up anyway. They don't last forever.
yeo and in 2-5 years a 4tb-6tb will be under $100.. so scalability is not an issue
January 09, 2016, 05:24:17 PM
You are right, 60GB doesn't look so big...
yep
and a 2tb hard drive for 20 years of 2mb or 5 years of 8mb= $92, not really breaking the bank for 5-20 years storage needs ($4.60-$19 a year)
You'll probably want to change your hard drive before it fills up anyway. They don't last forever.
(Besides, with all full 8mb blocks we'll have a whole new generation of very affluent bitcoiners. These things don't happen in a vacuum.)
January 09, 2016, 05:13:25 PM
You are right, 60GB doesn't look so big...
yep
and a 2tb hard drive for 20 years of 2mb or 5 years of 8mb= $92, not really breaking the bank for 5-20 years storage needs ($4.60-$19 a year)
January 09, 2016, 05:05:34 PM
You are right, 60GB doesn't look so big...
January 09, 2016, 04:09:36 PM
i just dont see a rational and logical reason why upping the block limit is going to be so disastrous
Try downloading the gigabloatchain once they raise the block size... 60GB is already a pain today.
60gb for 7 years of data..
i dare you to watch 7 years of tv shows..
i dare you to install all versions of GTA
i dare you to install all versions of call of duty
i bet your more willing to watch netflix or download games 2 times a year
the funny thing is no one complains about watching 60 netflix shows. or playing just 2 games.. but somehow something that is worth more to them then $50 worth of subscription or gaming.. EG holders of atleast 1bitcoin.. cry that its too much to handle.. 60gb of data
yes its a hassle downloading at first. but once its done you wont even notice it and wont care that its in the background for the next few decades.
inshort if you have GTA or call of duty on your hard drive, and happy to have it.. then you have nothing to cry about
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