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January 28, 2015, 09:55:18 PM
#28
Bitcoin, on the other hand, has no 'intrinsic' value if it crashes.  You can't extract a bitcoin out of your harddrive and play with it, or use it as a jacket when it's cold outside.  It's sole value stems from its purchasing power, nothing more.  It's value is its life support.

But so are company stocks.  When a company goes bankrupt, you can't 'turn in' your stock certs and get something in return.  They are literally worthless.  You can wipe your butt with them, or hang them on your wall so you can periodically cry while looking at them.  (actually you can't even get physical stock certs anymore, but that is a different story...)

Same with fiat paper and fiat coins.  They are worthless unless they are 'valued' by people, or a government simply says they have value.  Otherwise they are literally worthless.

Getting into philosophical territory here, but technically all that matters is future convertibility.  Nothing has intrinsic value if you are not using it that very moment.  A delicious, piping hot Taco Bell chilli cheese burrito comes to mind .. versus a bar of gold.  The intrinsic value of a bar of gold is the expectation that someone else will find it equally valuable at some point in the future.
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January 28, 2015, 09:54:00 PM
#27
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January 28, 2015, 09:19:42 PM
#26
Too bad, too sad bitcoin reward schedule was made by some apes apparently.

Bitcoin like: "we are groundbreaking new tech in moneytoken but you can't use it before 2028 because that's how long distribution will take"

Man, i don't get my head around how people can create this technology and then screw up the economic part like that. Some real apes.
legendary
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January 28, 2015, 06:41:11 PM
#25
Bitcoin, on the other hand, has no 'intrinsic' value if it crashes.  You can't extract a bitcoin out of your harddrive and play with it, or use it as a jacket when it's cold outside.  It's sole value stems from its purchasing power, nothing more.  It's value is its life support.

But so are company stocks.  When a company goes bankrupt, you can't 'turn in' your stock certs and get something in return.  They are literally worthless.  You can wipe your butt with them, or hang them on your wall so you can periodically cry while looking at them.  (actually you can't even get physical stock certs anymore, but that is a different story...)

Same with fiat paper and fiat coins.  They are worthless unless they are 'valued' by people, or a government simply says they have value.  Otherwise they are literally worthless.
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January 28, 2015, 06:29:39 PM
#24
Not necessarily...a much greater proportion of people can afford to buy in the lower the price gets. The wealthy can buy that many more. Once the price makes enough of a sharp rise people panic buy and then it just takes off.

Not to mention the block halving in 2016 will cut the number of new bitcoins produced per day in half...

It's just as easy and affordable to buy btc at $5000/btc as it is at $5/btc, you just get more or less btc depending..

It's basic human psychology, or psych 101...people are going to buy more of something when it is cheaper.

Not true.  If Gold were $0.000001/ounce, no one would want it or care.


While I get what you're trying to say, that's not entirely true.

Gold is still a physical object and has intrinsic value whether it be decoration or industrial purposes in electronics or as a heat conductor (many supercars use it to line the engine bay).

Bitcoin, on the other hand, has no 'intrinsic' value if it crashes.  You can't extract a bitcoin out of your harddrive and play with it, or use it as a jacket when it's cold outside.  It's sole value stems from its purchasing power, nothing more.  It's value is its life support.
legendary
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January 28, 2015, 04:07:48 PM
#23
@unsoindovo

mostly scaling issues..

- max of 7tps due to block size limitation, increasing the blocksize has some negative effects too and just moves the problem to the future, removing it adds more problems.
- ever exponentially growing blockchain size, other coins have developed a solution to this issue, regardless of cheap bandwith and storage, it's highly inefficient to store a full history of decades or centuries and increases centralization (and i like the initial decentralized aspect of bitcoin a lot..)
- 10 minute confirmation time, i don't think i have to say anything about this, quite a problem in real life transactions where you're not interacting with the other party for half an hour...

- not anonymous, fully traceable and possible to make very good correlations.
- no multi-sig implementation that's usable for the average Joe.
legendary
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January 28, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
#22
Not necessarily...a much greater proportion of people can afford to buy in the lower the price gets. The wealthy can buy that many more. Once the price makes enough of a sharp rise people panic buy and then it just takes off.

Not to mention the block halving in 2016 will cut the number of new bitcoins produced per day in half...

It's just as easy and affordable to buy btc at $5000/btc as it is at $5/btc, you just get more or less btc depending..

It's basic human psychology, or psych 101...people are going to buy more of something when it is cheaper.

Not true.  If Gold were $0.000001/ounce, no one would want it or care.
legendary
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January 28, 2015, 03:59:48 PM
#21
Traders are securing their profits.

It's a normal reaction, it went up from under $160 to over $300...
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January 28, 2015, 03:50:56 PM
#20
After coinbase' trick, we will continue or downward spiral even faster.
Bulls have come back from a cold shower now and will probably panic sell around the 200 mark tomorrow or friday, accelerating bitcoins demise.
I'll just warn you guys again... get out while you still can...

Thanks for the warning OP, you are too kind!

Remind me to name my first child after you, assuming I don't accidentally kill myself eating cereal before that happens.
legendary
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January 28, 2015, 03:49:29 PM
#19
Great thing about going down to $50 to $100 is that all the emotionally weak investors would have panic sold, and then the market only has 1 way to go...

No more emotionally weak investors plus an abundance of extremely cheap coins available...need I say more?

Flawed logic.  

You think a strong hand only needs to buy once, then hold forever?  You see, bitcoins have to be CONTINUOUSLY bought on a DAILY BASIS by SOMEONE out there to keep the price up, otherwise price will just continue to fall or until the monetary base inflation rate becomes negligible (around 100 years from now).

we hit like .1% inflation in 2032.....
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January 28, 2015, 03:48:39 PM
#18
Not necessarily...a much greater proportion of people can afford to buy in the lower the price gets. The wealthy can buy that many more. Once the price makes enough of a sharp rise people panic buy and then it just takes off.

Not to mention the block halving in 2016 will cut the number of new bitcoins produced per day in half...

It's just as easy and affordable to buy btc at $5000/btc as it is at $5/btc, you just get more or less btc depending..

It's basic human psychology, or psych 101...people are going to buy more of something when it is cheaper.
legendary
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January 28, 2015, 03:46:03 PM
#17
yep bitcoin prices should hopefully reach a floor soon
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January 28, 2015, 03:45:20 PM
#16
wow

congratulations!!!

 Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

I read a lot of optimism in this thread!!!

why you are so pessimistic!!!

we know all the bitcoin volatility...
and we like bitcoin for this!!!

so i think volatility will be always welcome!!!

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

just take the right position!!!!

I'm pessimistic because the fundamentals are screwed, things that should have been fixed years ago are still being dragged along and devs are either unresponsive or come with 'oh, we'll deal with that when it becomes an issue.'.

But, i have to admit you can build a fully working economy on something totally messed up, central banks are doing just that world wide... So who knows, but i don't think there's much hope left for bitcoin unless there's a hard fork which will be a disaster at this point, i doubt there will ever be consensus.

i'm interested to red words.
can you elaborate it plz?
what are this point??

i'm really interested!!!

thanks!!!
legendary
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January 28, 2015, 03:40:25 PM
#15
Not necessarily...a much greater proportion of people can afford to buy in the lower the price gets. The wealthy can buy that many more. Once the price makes enough of a sharp rise people panic buy and then it just takes off.

Not to mention the block halving in 2016 will cut the number of new bitcoins produced per day in half...

It's just as easy and affordable to buy btc at $5000/btc as it is at $5/btc, you just get more or less btc depending..
sr. member
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Merit: 250
January 28, 2015, 03:32:57 PM
#14
Not necessarily...a much greater proportion of people can afford to buy in the lower the price gets. The wealthy can buy that many more. Once the price makes enough of a sharp rise people panic buy and then it just takes off.

Not to mention the block halving in 2016 will cut the number of new bitcoins produced per day in half...
legendary
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January 28, 2015, 03:30:27 PM
#13
Great thing about going down to $50 to $100 is that all the emotionally weak investors would have panic sold, and then the market only has 1 way to go...

No more emotionally weak investors plus an abundance of extremely cheap coins available...need I say more?

Flawed logic.  

You think a strong hand only needs to buy once, then hold forever?  You see, bitcoins have to be CONTINUOUSLY bought on a DAILY BASIS by SOMEONE out there to keep the price up, otherwise price will just continue to fall or until the monetary base inflation rate becomes negligible (around 100 years from now).
legendary
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January 28, 2015, 03:28:25 PM
#12
Great thing about going down to $50 to $100 is that all the emotionally weak investors would have panic sold, and then the market only has 1 way to go...

No more emotionally weak investors plus an abundance of extremely cheap coins available...need I say more?

Aye..

Just for the record I am just Bullish on the BTC price..  I believe BTC will be here for a very long time.
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January 28, 2015, 03:25:29 PM
#11
Great thing about going down to $50 to $100 is that all the emotionally weak investors would have panic sold, and then the market only has 1 way to go...

No more emotionally weak investors plus an abundance of extremely cheap coins available...need I say more?
legendary
Activity: 1937
Merit: 1001
January 28, 2015, 03:21:43 PM
#10
wow

congratulations!!!

 Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

I read a lot of optimism in this thread!!!

why you are so pessimistic!!!

we know all the bitcoin volatility...
and we like bitcoin for this!!!

so i think volatility will be always welcome!!!

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

just take the right position!!!!

I'm pessimistic because the fundamentals are screwed, things that should have been fixed years ago are still being dragged along and devs are either unresponsive or come with 'oh, we'll deal with that when it becomes an issue.'.

But, i have to admit you can build a fully working economy on something totally messed up, central banks are doing just that world wide... So who knows, but i don't think there's much hope left for bitcoin unless there's a hard fork which will be a disaster at this point, i doubt there will ever be consensus.
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January 28, 2015, 03:17:39 PM
#9
wow

congratulations!!!

 Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

I read a lot of optimism in this thread!!!

why you are so pessimistic!!!

we know all the bitcoin volatility...
and we like bitcoin for this!!!

so i think volatility will be always welcome!!!

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

just take the right position!!!!
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