Topic: Andreas redpills /r/btc loons - page 3. (Read 5242 times)

Atleast 80% of the entire Bitcoin market wants Segwit and you think they're all rats?

Welcome on my ignore list, enjoy.

Good to know.  Was wondering about your name lol

Judging by your post history, you're a bought sock-puppet account. You had normal posts up to Nov 16, 2016 and then stopped posting. You didn't post again until Dec 10th 2016 when you made your first Core/SegWit bash post. Since then you been ramping up your Core bashing and BU shilling. My guess is sometime between Nov 16th and Dec 10th you bought this account or Roger Ver did and employed you to bash Core.

I was a Core Fanboi too, look at my username. I'll take the hit to my ego and admit I was lapping up Maxwell's dog drivel.

When Segwit came, I knew I was on the wrong ship. Reading the spec made my eyes burn - I suddenly realized that this was another over-engineered Spruce Goose that would never fly. Watching Core's behavior since then has been instructive. The pilots of a sinking ship, not even any rats left.

And yes, Andreas is nearly a god. The guy is smart. But he's dead wrong about Segwit.

Wow. I just googled some stuff from the posts above me and found out about a "scaling war" that happened in 2015 and something about $1.5m already paid in advance of this forum development.

I didn't dig deeper, because I honestly am not keen on diving into politics, but it would seem that some of this resentment and mud-slinging has its roots in something that started two years ago!

It's a bit sad for a newbie like me reading this ReadMe/FAQ in Sep 2016
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/61s75o/rbitcoin_faq_newcomers_please_read/

Then the experience of the last few months reading bct threads.

Franky,  you should explain what you mean by tier network.  I don't think anyone understands.

shows why you shouldnt read reddit.

your confused with who wants the peer network and who wants the tier network

I feel bad for the newbies too, but I don't even think most of them know what's going on in the least and don't want to try to learn. It takes a lot to understand what the two scaling solutions are -- gosh let a fucking alone try to go ahead and parse through all the drama here to find out the stuff you need to know.

But yeah, I'll have to full agree with you and say that both sides have pretty much started a mud slinging money guided effort to put them in front.

Though personally, I do think Segwit is the way to go as BTU is just going to put VER and Wu in power which I think isn't the direction in the least for our decentralized bitcoin.

from all the drama of the last 3 years theymos has been more famous about censoring any chatter thats CORE ngative or non-cor positive,


core was just a brand invented in 2013 from one of the forks that started in 2010 (july 2010 to be precise) its not the original 'satoshi client', even if it pretends to be

yep satoshis original was a sourceforge that continued right until winter 2010.

yet the github was gavins implementation of bitcoin which started summer 2010 meaning the github version was a second implementation. not the single brand of satoshi from (sourceforge).

satoshi continued to work on source forge version right upto december 2010..


where as others used git hub.. and forked their own. aswell (there have been 7993 variants of the github since 2010)

the one that was made by and managed by gavin in 2010 got a rebrand in 2013 and that was the birth of 'core'

the birth was to separate it from being confused with the network protocol.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3203



because the 'protocol' became much bigger than one brand/control point

There's a lot of people that have deep hatred for theymos because he banned them, and they accuse him of being an evil actor in the community, yet, I haven't seen anyone getting banned for no logical reason. Most people that get banned is due spamming 100's of messages per hour, or spamming links etc. This forum is cool because is very permissive if you are posting in the right section.

The reddit is another story because I barely use it, but I haven't seen clear evidence of theymos being a tyrannical dictator. /r/bitcoin is about satoshi's client mostly, and satoshi didn't want other competing clients himself. Im ok with discussing the other clients but I remember an obvious shilling campaign for other clients while indiscriminately FUDding back in the XT days, and that had to be stopped.

Actually, the overwhelming majority of /r/btc is now all the people who got banned on /r/Bitcoin for voicing concerns about SegWit/LN, Core and Blockstream.
Many shill for BU simply because of that, and are not open to be reasoned with.

Maybe in your delusional mind, but Buggy Unlimited is only losing ground, meanwhile the general public rejects Buggy Unlimited as seen in node counts, big actorsni the game like people running services, exchanges etc, want segwit and reject Buggy Unlimited, and Buggy Unlimited futures are at all time lows.

Another defeat for the trojan horse attempt.

Never was going too as that wasn't the "question."

https://medium.com/@SegWit/segwit-resources-6b7432b42b1e

1. tier network of core as upstream filters
2. no fixes because even with 99% users moving funds to segwit keys (taking alot of mempool bloat for months). 1% left over of quadratic/bloat spammers can remain with native keys and cause MORE disruption than ever before (16ksigops instead of 4k). thus no 'fix'
3. the 1mb blockspace will be its own cesspit of native spammers making the 'witness/weight' area not be utilised as promoted
4. promises to remove malleation to lower double spend risk of unconfirmed. but then adds RBF and CPFP to increase double spend risk of unconfirmed
5. due to native tx's even malleation is not 'fixed', just has a 'opt-in' tx type for INNOCENT users to use to disarm themselves from making malleated tx's

concise enough?

So many words and not one concise argument against SegWit.

No need to ask - freedom of speech, expression, etc. If i don't want my opinion known, then i wouldn't be on here 

Check this if it helps. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18814437
Example of "Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others."

Good post.... thanks for sharing that.  Mind if I repost on reddit.  people will find it interesting.

Therein lies the problem. I can safety say that >95% of the loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever don't understand segwit or LN.

I was one of them. I freely admit that. I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.

Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others.

you have no clue. spend less time on reddit. it will help you

here is a hint im sure you could guess where you can find this data (hint: blockreward decoded message)
$Mined by AntPool usa1
$Mined by AntPool usa2
$Mined by AntPool usa3
$Mined by AntPool usa4

there are farms in iceland, georgia, canada, usa and many other places.
the stratums are spread out all over the world

sorry but core bypassed node consensus by going soft. and are the only team giving pools sole voting capability.
other implementations are NODE and POOL consensus.. plus they dont need to UASF force anything in, and instead just let the community decide or not.
only core have shouted out killing pools, banning nodes, PoW nuking asics, mandatory flags.. without actually doing a real listen to the community and unite the community.

so i have asked you and your buddies a few times..
what if hearne done exactly line for line decision for decision the same as core. would you support hearnes implementation