Topic: Andrew Bitcoiner / BitJack21 (Read 4854 times)

He just posted Ripple shirts in goods.  No scammer tag and a locked thread.  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ripple-clothing-available-unofficial-146067

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--143980

This.  Geek-trader: Make a post quoting all of the victims.

geek-trader, you should make another thread of your own to highlight this issue.

Ugh.  Yeah, this guy is a dirty scammer.  Can we get a scammer tag now that there is another victim?

I have also not gotten my withdrawal.  It's been several days, and he's not answering emails, either.

When I deposited, I sent him an email, because you get a .1 bonus for depositing 5 for more BTC.  He answered that one right away.

When I withdrew, the page said it may take 24 hours.

After 36 hours and no BTC, I sent him an email.  No response.  The next day I sent another email.  No response.  No BTC.

It's a shame.  His site is great, and I had no problems with him in the past.  But now he's taken my BTC and is not answering email.

I wish I had seen this thread earlier.

It does seem that way, but that kind of makes the whole scammer tag system worthless...

I thought he didnt get a scammer tag cause he's part of the inner circle ? You know, the ones who only get tagged if they rip off an admin. 

Heh, I actually haven't wasted too much time at all!  An hour at most. 

Anyways, I'm doing this out of principle.  I don't really care about the minute about of BTC that I lost.

This is the thread about whether Andrew Bitcoiner, a guy who steals people's Bitcoin in a fraudulent scheme should have a scammer tag, not your thread for whether you think having scammer tags is a good idea or having threads discussing them is a good idea.

Daniel, look how much time and energy you have already wasted on andrew bitcoin?

Just give up and find a stable, reliable and trust worthy income source via bitcoin rather than jumping into something you know nothing about.

Its not worth dragging a horse to water when its going to die anyway from a broken leg.

What a stupid argument.

I haven't seen anyone claim this site is paying ANYONE back.  If it is just pocketing deposits and not cashing out, which many people have commented on, then it's run by a scammer.  Period.

By this reasoning, anyone who runs a Bitcoin gambling site could just steal all deposits from Americans or anyone where it is illegal to gamble online and avoid a scammer tag.

This has been going on for months.  Here's the previous thread about how this scamming bastard has just stolen all deposits for months.

I'm not sure why nobody has pursued a scammer listing before now.  Maybe the Gambling subforum relies more on things like mem's Bitcoin Gambling LIst, which has listed this site in the Scam/Unattended category for months.

But if this guy is not a scammer, I'm fucked if I know who is.

As far as i know any gambling site taking money from underage kids has to cancel all winning and losing and refund the original money. Then ban them until proper age.

Well, Bitcoin isn't moderated by the feds, is it?  Theymos hasn't really cared what the feds have to say about things too much in the past.  I think it's more the fact that I don't exactly have any solid proof about this... All I have proof of is that Andrew sent 1 Bitcoin to my account (the one he's since deleted).

I'm like a moth to a flame with this thread I run in.circles anytime I post on it. As much as it might be true the mods only help those who are some.kind of VIP..... Heh this post was opened by a teenager a young one at that. As much intellect as the OP seems to carry for his age. It's hard to back him up. sure he's owed the money he threw in back. But this ends up being a written and proof of strike against coin..

The US government doesn't want "kids" gambleing. Hell you can't legally buy a playboy til your 18. And It's pretty clear nobody can buy contraband period.

So what do the feds see... even.local governed bodies... They see a teen enabled by Bitcoin to do exactly what they don't want them to do. I don't blame the mods for.not really touching this.

The scammer tag is basically a complete joke, as much of a scam as any other BTC scam.

Do not consider the lack of a scammer tag as any kind of evidence someone isn't a scammer.  Some people just run blatant, open scams without ever getting a tag, despite everyone knowing they're ripping people off left and right.

It looks like the mods just completely ignored it... 

I still don't get how he avoided the scammer tag over ripping off his advertisers/publishers on his other site

You know what?  Fuck it.  Fuck him.  The time and effort needed to do a small claims would be worth more than 1.2 btc.

Well if you cab gather up all the people that have been fucked by this deal. You have a case otherwise take the loss... Figure that 13 and some change  will come back to haunt him. it will.

But I'd ask around see who else got shafted first then conspire. if you are going to spend this much effort on it you might as well do it right. ya never know this might be a hell of a lot bigger then small apples.

plenty of people just get frustrated and end up saying nothing. That's a true abd trialed victim

Wow, what the fuck.  That's complete BS.  I seriously think I might open up a small claims case against him if I can get some proof together.  Just for the pure fact of fucking up his life a little.

Do you have any idea what his address is?  Or anyone, for that matter.

Yes it is. The people ripped by him, multiple ppl, do not have solid smoking gun proof. The operator just lies and that is good enough for the mods here. I betcha the operator even sent money to them in some fashion. Hero member BS for example.

So until one of their buddies gets ripped and says the same things you do.. He will get no scammer tag.
The operator does not even bother reply in these threads he is so confident nothing will happen. He also cleans up his posts around here. With a broken tos page to add jnto the mix is just hilarious.

The fuck?  Is it really like that?

Depends if the mods here like him or not. After all, he is just holding the money right now. It aint like it is gone. When he rips off
A mods friend.. Then he gets a tag.

So, how long does it usually take for these to process (and Andrew to get a scammer tag)?

BTW, I got his name out of Amazon (he redeemed my gift card).  I'm in the process of getting his address.

Is it not reasonable to ask someone who stole money from me to pay it back???

If that's all you wher throwing a fot over then I wouldn't have thrown my two cents in. but it isn't you even goto the point of bitching about the laws when someone calls you out on age factor! you have tottaly kissed reason goodbye in this situation. I do hope you manage to squeeze the coin out of him.
 

I don't know. That's what got me confused too.

I'm confused where this post came form.  Why would I send you money...?

I'm the next guy in this post, but I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to do? Is daniel going to send me money? It's not necessary. I'd rather he spend it on a cool game or weights or something.

Actually, as pointed out earlier in the thread, he LEGALLY has to refund ANY BETS MADE.  So, LEGALLY he has to pay me 1 btc, ETHICALLY he has to pay me 1.2 btc. 

So, again, you're an idiot.

No I didn't say I hoped you suffered a loss. I'm saying if this blows up into something much bigger you are going to he a non factor. the laws even in states that allow gambling is 21 at best. No lawyer worth his salt is going to stick his neck out and defend you. As I highly doubt you even live where It's legal to gamble at the very least.

I understand as well Bitcoin has no age limit. usually money doesn't. that's not the issue here. again you are betweeb a rock and a hard place with getting any money back due to age.

Furthermore I'm aware a .parent and or paternal guardian  can and will at times sign for a minor child. They still are pretty much giveing a vote of assurance for what that minor does with the device(s). As a parent I question any other in my shoes who doesn't follow what a child os doing with modern technology.

I'm by no means sheltering my children but I.sure to fuck are not letting them chat with adults even half.my age, gamble or use social networks. perhaps that's personal opinion getting in the way

I'm not questioning intellect here at all. It's only fact I the next guy in this post, your mommy abd even god.himself might not want to see you screwed out of money. but you have engaged in something that you have no legal right to.
 

I'm not sure if your serious or if you are just trolling (like you do in that app), but are you saying that anyone can steal from a 14 year old?  Simply because I'm 14?  So you are HOPING that I get stolen from.  

In case you haven't noticed, Bitcoin allows anyone to use it.  If you don't agree with this, you can go ahead and leave.

EDIT: Parents can go into the contract in the child's name for smartphones.  And, you have to be 13 to use gmail (no parental consent).

So, in short, you're an ageist idiot making stupid statements that are not backed by facts at all.

If this all blows up I can tell you right now. the 14 year old in the middle gets nothing. And It's no offence to him. But even if you denounce BTC it is still bunk.

As an example of something tottaly non related... but in dealing with minors. I sometimes use an Android app called "CB Radio Chat". It's. very simple touch to talk chat network that contains a rather crazy mix of social folk, trolls and the out right crazy. I fall into the troll realm of the app.

Needless to say at times children will download the app and be on cussing up a storm. abd needless to say as well. they get caught... and so do some of the other users cussing back. You will get a defensive parent that decides they are going to go.Perry Mason on the person and "Report them".

Problem I have is once the parent has the Mic. I can't help but point out what's wrong with them. Sure the app itself has no statement in the ToS that says a minor cannot be on the app. But really the fault comes from the parent handing the minor a smartphone that only someone 18 or over can enter a contract for. Also in theory a minor can use Gmail. But only with some back end assurance that a parent has consented and is somehow watching what's going on.

long story short what I've just went off topic on might not fit. but somewhere in all of what does apply. a contract has been breached. this young man's parent(s) might be able to step in. lie for him and be apart of some grand lawyer fee if it  gos that far. but from what we just saw words speak volumes. he won't be getting a dime. hopefully others will

So there`s more.  Why isnt he marked yet?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--83328

Yup.

Stupid excuses about laws. Most of these gambling sites skirt the law and then to throw up laws as excuses? They are the equivalent to a bookie. Laws... Pfft. Pay the people their money or mark the operator as a scammer.

I guess its not, bitcoins arent seen as money by the government, any government. More like "internet points"

It's not about the ToS, it's about the Government of wherever you are coming down hard on your and him for fraud and underage gambling.

This.  Anyways, the ToS is non-existant.  He can't hold me to some arbitrary ToS that I had no way to know about.

This is a not legal excuse! In most countries owners of the gambling entities are obliged by law to make complete refunds of the bets made by underage persons, even repay losts.

I just realized... why wasn't he marked a scammer back then???  It looks like he stole 260 btc from that guy without an explanation...

It seems that you're not the only victim. This is starting to look bad for Andrew.

And where was his ToS?  The page doesn't work. 

He can't hold me to a ToS that doesn't exist.

danieldaniel

You are only 14 years old.  You account may violate his terms of service for age requirements.

I just saw this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/andrew-bitcoiner-105027

It was awhile ago, but it seems that this has happened before.


And guess what?  He deleted my account.  This is definitely seeming like he's a scammer...

I have had a good dealing with him too (I bought btc on his site for an amazon gift card).

I think that he might not have the btc to pay out the winnings.  If he had been responding to my emails (and PM's), I wouldn't have made this thread.

On Andrew's defense I should say I had some good dealings with him.
The way he's been dealing with his services' problems is strange to say the least. Was expecting better from him.

BitJack21 has not processed my withdrawal within the 24 hours promised.  More specifically, I started it on the 27th at around 6.

They have said on their site that it may take a couple of days to process, but it has been a couple of days.

I have emailed them about this, and they have ignored the 3 or 4 emails (and PM's) I have sent.  

I strongly suspect that they don't have enough BTC to pay the winnings.

EDIT: I am currently asking people to send Andrew Bitcoiner emails notifying him of this thread.  Details are at http://bitcoinpolice.org/p359-Today-18-58-02.html.