Topic: (AndySt) The next abuser of stake campaign? (Read 1085 times)

At least on a light note, nobody left a red tag on your profile about the issue. You can move on past this, avoid doing the same thing that costed you a slot in the previous campaign, and join a new one. I see a number of good signature campaigns that are still open and given that you were a regular gambling section poster, you stand a chance of participating again soon.

Once again, I have never seen anything reprehensible in such, as you put it, "technique" of creating messages, because this is in any case a special case of editing messages, so it was a complete surprise to me such a hysterical reaction to this from people like you. Therefore, in order to avoid such misunderstandings, I will refrain from such, as you put it, "techniques". I have nothing against the fact that the history of editing messages can be found on the Internet and I have not forgotten anything, as you put it, and I have nothing to be ashamed of.
I am always ready to admit my mistakes, but I am not always ready to admit what is a mistake in the opinion of others. If about the subtext, then it still does not apply to you and personally I have nothing bad against you.
I repeat once again, we have different ideas about mistakes, but I humbly accepted Carolzinha's decision because I respect her, as she respects me.
It's not just and not so much about connection. My life doesn't revolve only around the forum and I have things to do in real life.
Once again, I do not agree with this reading of the rules, but in order to avoid misunderstandings and inadequate reaction of some active part of the forum, I am no longer going to resort to such a method of writing messages.

P.S. I wanted to combine my last two messages, but anticipating what hysteria reigns around my edits of messages, I gave up this idea out of harm's way.

You say that you accepted all your mistakes with humility. However, is there any subtext in the appeal to Solosanz??

Why do you think that your mistake, or disrespect for the rules, should not be published? You were given an example of what will happen on the forum if all users do this.

You reply by quoting someone two hours later. Isn't the connection lost?

Solosanz, Keep up your work and help the forum. I'm sure most of the forum users will support you.

AndySt, you should carefully read rule number 1. By creating empty answers, you violated this very rule.

We know very well about your "technique". You forget that all messages are archived almost instantly on external sites, and that the forum indicates the date when the message was last edited. From what I can tell, you started using this technique of posting empty posts or posts with just one word, "Yes" or "No", around July last year. So you had a nice run for almost a year. It's a wonder no one has noticed this before.

As I told you before, this is not the right way to use the forum. And, this forum would be a real mess if everyone started posting with this "technique".


This is your wrongdoing and you alone are responsible for it. Leave God out of this.

There was no problem until you created this problem out of the blue.  In any case, if the messages go to the next day before midnight, there's nothing wrong with that, but for me personally it's very inconvenient, because then you need to break my whole technique of posting messages.
Because I don't want to attract too much attention to my person on such an occasion and in such a way.
The campaign also does not want to attract attention to itself in this way and it is easier to stop cooperating with the person who allowed attracting attention to himself in an undesirable light. And yes, sometimes a person like you is useful to identify real violators, the most important thing is that you think about the consequences of your actions.
Once again, may God be your judge in your activities.

The problem is you're posted on the midnight and want your post to be counted on the previous day.

You're like saying I'm a wrong person here, it's wrong for me to tell everyone about a truth? before I create this thread, why you not tell to Caroll or create reputation thread about your strategy?

If my report is wrong, you wouldn't be kicked. If my report is wrong, many users will give opposite opinion or blame me in this thread.

Learn and correct your mistake, pathetic.

_BlackStar, thank you for your kind words! I just perfectly see when my message is deleted and then a message about it appears in my profile. So, for a year and a half of participation in this campaign, I had only TWO times when I did not have time to edit and add text to my EMPTY messages were deleted by the forum moderator as spam. I repeat once again that I tried not to abuse it and within 10-15 minutes I quickly edited this empty message and entered the text there. Therefore, I now have an emptiness in my soul and a feeling of monstrous injustice from what was done to me. But I say again, may God be the judge for Solosanz, who did this to me.

As @Carrollzinha said, you are a quality poster who is recognized as a top 5 poster as long as you join the Stake campaign. Everyone doesn't seem to be against you here, but simply telling the manager about the odd behavior you're experiencing right now isn't a good thing to hold on to.

If the mod handles the report in the first 1-5 minutes when the report is done, then I'm sure many of your posts have been deleted before because you were just quoting without adding anything to the post and that's spam. Obviously that's ridiculous, but luckily you got away with it and the mod may not have handled those reports from other users. So this should be a good lesson for you in the future so that this kind of behavior will not happen again.

Carollzinha, thank you so much for your good words about me, I'm really pleased, but it was sad to read it! It is with regret, but with humility and dignity that I accept your decision. I wish you good luck and all the best in your activities!
As for Solosanz, I can't say anything about this and nothing good, unlike you, because building her name on the destruction of someone else's name in my opinion is not the best activity, but as they say, may God be the judge for Solosanz

After reading all your comments & checking it carefully, Andy's journey in Stake Campaign has come to an end.

I would like to thanks everyone for your feedbacks and thanks, once again, Solosanz for all his effort in helping this forum to be a good place for everyone, no matter if they belong to any campaign or if they are just regular members. Thanks again for being so prestative in keeping this community a healthy place for everyone.

And I know some of you may have doubt about our team dropping Andy negative trust on forum and for that I would like to say that Andy was, almost always, in our top 5 best posters, even when he was not getting the prize, and it means that his quality is really good (I, personally, enjoy reading most all his posts) so a negative trust will not be dropped as it could harm his chances to get into another campaign and maybe even having him to leave the forum.. and it would be a pitty if the community would lose such a good poster. From our side the best thing we can do is to wish him the best of luck in any campaign he is gonna join & hope he can understand that this behavior is really not a good thing when you are inside a campaign.

As for our campaign, we are designating someone only to take care of these edited posts from now on. Hopefully such a thing will not happen again but, in case it does, it would be nice to count with you guys to keep sending your reports & we can work together to keep this forum as a good place for everyone.



Best Regards,
Carollzinha

It was a bit sarcastic. What does it say? Bad popularity, there is still popularity. With the right mind, everything can be converted into a positive side for yourself And to be honest, of course it's unpleasant and this is not what I'm aiming for.
It's not that it's closer to the deadline, because I try to write on the forum regularly and there are no big problems for me if the messages move forward a day. It's just that it's more convenient for me to navigate my messages and where I'm going to reply. I have a certain window in time for writing messages and I'm trying to conveniently adjust everything for this window.

The reason there is a storm is that what you have been doing is unethical. It's a form of "cheating" on their side of people you are advertising. I have noticed such quotes by you while trying to reply me before. I almost reported you, but I thought maybe you changed, but according to this report it seems you didn't.

Let me ask, maybe I am missing something. Why do you make empty quotes, especially towards the deadline?
Why not just reply at once?

So, you're pleased or it's very unpleasant?

It doesn't goes against forum rules, so, you won't get banned. It's just not right way to post when you're in signature campaign. If it's just 10-15 minutes, I don't see issue. But if it's question of few hours, there is issue already. If you're posting in active thread, it's likely that your post will not get much visibility, especially if topic will go to next page. It is not for signature campaigns is paying money for us.
Wouldn't be better to use bookmarks on your browser to mark threads to reply later? Personally I often find interesting topics to reply, but I completely don't have time at that moment. So, I simply leave that topic open on one of my browser tabs and I return to it when I have time

As for empty messages, it's not even a few hours, but a question of a maximum of 10-15 minutes. I can actually edit the message itself within a few hours. If it really was a matter of a few hours, the moderators and administrators would have banned me a long time ago, and the number of "well-wishers" on the forum is off the scale, who would point this out, so I am surprised and saddened that such a big storm broke out because of the observation of one person and all sorts of omissions and misunderstandings. The situation is not worth a damn.

@AndySt, whatever your reason, this is not the right way to use the forum. I suggest you stop doing that.

There is nothing wrong with editing your posts for grammar or spelling errors, or adding new information where necessary, but it is completely unacceptable to start writing your posts a few hours after you've reserved your spot in the thread. No matter whether Carollzinha tolerates it or not, this goes against what is considered good forum practice, and I'm pretty sure forum management wouldn't allow us to do that. Can you imagine what the forum would look like if everyone started behaving like that?

I always try to follow the rule 5 days a week, the only thing a week ago I suffered a lot with a tooth, I have bleeding from there. Now it seems to have healed, but I still signed up for a dental surgeon on Monday to remove a tooth. You have incorrect calculations, last time it was 8,9,10,12,13 that was counted. On Tuesday morning, a table appears where everything is taken into account until 23.59 Monday. If we were told to do things differently, then I would comply with these requirements. Therefore, I usually try not to write messages on Tuesday so that there are no misunderstandings about counting.

You're correct almost campaign doesn't have mandatory condition to be active at least for 5 days/week, but if you don't like or didn't sure can be active at least 5 days/week, why you joined this campaign then? You're free to join any campaign that you like or not.

Any participants need to read the whole rules, understand it and obliged to follow all the campaign rules. The campaign managers didn't need to follow your rules since they don't have to.

Solosanz: If your post doesn't got deleted, it doesn't mean you're correct to use that's strategy. Moderators isn't active 24/7 and not all users will want to report a bad post either they're lazy or have personal reason etc.

I: I repeat once again, it won't hurt anyone if such a message hangs empty for a little while, except for those who like to pay attention to it instead of reading the messages themselves, because I will edit it quickly.

Solosanz: Alright I'm wrong about this, you're correct about 1-2 hours.

I:Thank God that we at least agreed with each other on something.


Solosanz: Actually that's what I'm saying, you wanted your post will remain yesterday post while you're active and can post in the next day, if you not make "reserved post", all your post should be counted on the next day.
Look this, example of the June/13 where you posted on date 13, 12, 10, 9, 8 it should be count +1 of each day, so you're posted on date 14, 13, 11, 10, 9. The cycle is only from June 7-June 13 and you're only active for 4 days.

I: I have already participated in many campaigns, but none of them had a mandatory condition for participation 5 or 6 or 7 consecutive days a week and the participants themselves could decide when they could skip a day. And I hope that this will not happen. The requirements always included the minimum number of messages, the minimum message volume and how many days a week a person should write messages.

To be honest, I have a strong feeling that this situation has arisen due to a misunderstanding and I am happy to bring all explanations. Unfortunately, I was told about these claims only a few hours ago, so I just physically could not answer and explain something.

If your post doesn't got deleted, it doesn't mean you're correct to use that's strategy. Moderators isn't active 24/7 and not all users will want to report a bad post either they're lazy or have personal reason etc.

Solosanz: You should realize that after that user hinted me to not doing such strategy, you shouldn't do that anymore in any similar practice! there's no much difference replying word "Yes" and quoting without wrote anything.

I: For me personally, this is a very big difference, because those who know me will understand that I will answer something soon. And those who do not know, they should take it calmly, because there is nothing to read in the message yet. And formally, if the moderator has not deleted it, then I can edit this post.

Solosanz: Maximum of a hour or two, how old you're? can you count how long it is from 11 PM to 12 AM? it's really a maximum of two hours as you mentioned above?


I: Well, if you don't understand, then I'll explain it to you in a 24-hour format. How much time will pass between 23-29 of this day and 00-24 of the next day?

Solosanz: I never said it's against forum rules, but this is about a rules of your campaign and the decision is depend on Caroll who're the manager of your campaign.

I: It's really up to Carroll to decide, but not for you and not for me, and there's no reason at all to call me a abuser and start a separate topic in the forum for this.

Solosanz: This is an idea cheat how to make your post counted on the previous day since you're active on the next day, which is you're failed to meet the minimum 5 days since you're active only for 4 days/week.

I: I know this really cheater idea perfectly well, but I practically don't use it, because YESTERDAY's message, edited TOMORROW, still remains YESTERDAY's message

You should realize that after that user hinted me to not doing such strategy, you shouldn't do that anymore in any similar practice! there's no much difference replying word "Yes" and quoting without wrote anything.

There's nothing wrong for editing post, but in this case you're did suspicious and it's worth to discuss.
Maximum of a hour or two, how old you're? can you count how long it is from 11 PM to 12 AM? it's really a maximum of two hours as you mentioned above?



I never said it's against forum rules, but this is about a rules of your campaign and the decision is depend on Caroll who're the manager of your campaign.

This is an idea cheat how to make your post counted on the previous day since you're active on the next day, which is you're failed to meet the minimum 5 days since you're active only for 4 days/week.

Dear friends! I am very pleased that my humble person has attracted attention, which means I am popular, and it is very unpleasant that I have attracted attention in this context.
I will reveal some secrets of my kitchen, for a very long time I marked those posts to which I will answer and leave my detailed comment with the word "Yes", but after one user gently hinted that it was quite ugly and confusing to some forum users, I immediately stopped this practice and no longer do this. It is very strange to me that now it has been dragged into the light of God and they are trying to use it against me. The maximum that I allow myself to do now, so as not to get confused and forget where I should leave my comment, I leave an empty post, which I IMMEDIATELY then fill with text. Also, I don't see anything wrong with editing my posts, by the way, not the next day, but for a maximum of an hour or two, because I am VERY scrupulous about the quality of my posts and try to thoroughly reveal my thought. The next day may be due to the usual time of publication of my posts around midnight on the forum version, which is convenient for me. If this is allowed by the rules of the forum and is convenient for me, then why shouldn't I do it? Therefore, I do not scribble in ten or twenty posts for one short sentence just to fit into the minimum, as some forum members do here, and my posts are quite capacious and I protect my creative self from emotional and verbal burnout. Everyone has their own ideas about how to write on the forum, so I have this idea about it. If you have complaints about the quality of my posts, that's one thing, but when it comes to purely technical issues, my heart is filled with pain because of the injustice of such a situation. I hope for an objective attitude towards me, and not to the witch hunt.

Oh, I just reread my previous post; I was supposed to say a neutral tag with a "strong message," but I made a mistake! I've always maintained that the negative tag is not appropriate for spammers.

I don't think negative tag solve the problem and maybe it's not the best way to give it to spammers given the trust system isn't meant to tag spammers. If that's possible, then we should have flagged thousands of spammers on this forum as in bitcoin discussions as well as altcoin discussions. It might be appropriate to tag it as neutral which could serve as a warning to certain managers to be more careful about hiring them, but it's best to report a user's post for deletion and let a moderator judge it.

For other considerations, I agree that each topic should be moderated by the OP to discourage spammers. But since not many OPs do, I think we still have a chance to contribute to the forum by reporting the spam post to a moderator.

By the way, I'm no longer reporting posts on gambling boards so far as it seems the mod doesn't think it's worth deleting even though I'm sure it's spam. There are 100+ of my reports on the gambling board that were not dealt with to this day, so maybe that's the reason I don't do it anymore.

I'm not sure "No editing" would solve the problem because many innocent users who only edited their posts for grammar or quoting errors would still be subject to this rule; one can't tell the goat from the sheep.

I'll post the list for future reference for managers who find it useful. ^{I just edited my post for grammar error.}

I would be ok with it , but I'm not sure you would be setting the right precedent by tagging the user in question. I think a logical solution might be to make a rule in campaigns(this would depend on if the manager wanted extra work) no edited posts are eligible for pay.

That rule IMO fixes the problem.

Due to the high demand for posts from that board by most signature campaigns, there have been so many shitposters on the gambling board recently that I wish every thread OP made it self-moderated just like JollyGood did here⚽ English Premier League Season: 2021/2022 There is no room for 1xbit spammers, shitposters, or trolls; only quality discussion.

I've compiled a list of 20+ gambling board shitposters who add nothing to the discussion; I've reported the majority of these posts, but I don't think it's enough! Will a negative neutral tag with a strong message suffice?

Edit

I'm even pretty sure he's still at it on June 13 based on a post archive where he just cites a number of posts without adding anything and comes back to edit them after a few hours or maybe a different day. I think this kind of behavior is not tolerated as right behavior in the campaign, he wants payment but not doing things the right way.

The campaign manager is responsible for checking this kind of behavior, and I think he will do it more strictly now for all his participants.

I'm sure it's not the first time, given that there are so many members registered who participate in campaigns and bounties (and who are lazy and/or unethical).  I thought I'd seen it all, but honestly I don't recall seeing anyone else pull this particular brand of crapola before.

I hadn't noticed the user in question doing what he did because I think he posts mainly in the gambling section (correct me if I'm wrong; I'm too lazy to check), which I stay away from unless I'm doing post reviews for people.

Good eyes on this one, OP, and you did the right thing by calling attention to AndySt and his tactics.

It would be odd if we would have lots of people doing high quality posts.
I am not saying that all the others (those not getting the prize) are spammers or low quality posts but we have a 4 guys team working weekly just to rate everyone posts. We have since people with 0 knowledge about gambling & sportbook (literally 0 as he joined it less than 2 weeks ago) but we also have people thats inside this world for over 7 years. Everyone rate every campaign member posts, every week, and link what they believe was the best post of them for that week.. after that we pick the average from these 4 rating to select those with the highest scores to win the prize. Same happens with those with the lowest rating.. once they reach a 5.5 average, I do talk to them myself but if they quality wont change in a week or two, we are replacing that person, as simple as that. But thats not the topic here & I would be glad to reply to any of your doubts in our campaign thread.


About the report made by Solosanz, we have someone checking it and you can have no doubt that no matter if AndySt provides good posts quality to the forum or not, rules are rules and no matter who you are or how good your posts are.

The saddest thing here is that he is pushing himself this hard for a campaign that is paying per post. For example, if he makes one less post then he would lose 2-3 dollars the most. I would grant him right if he was in a campaign like Roobet. Because you can't get any payment there if you make 19 posts instead of 20. By the way, has there been anyone who checked out the Stake.com campaign spreadsheet? The same people are getting the best posters prize every week. Don't you think it is odd?

I remember that I saw such cases few times, but I'm not sure that it was AndySt. But I think it was sentence or two, rather than just word "Yes". I even replied to one of such posts and later I noticed that this post was edited. So, my quote looked strange when minds in edited post were far from original one.
It's strange behaviour and it would be interesting to hear position from @AndySt. It wouldn't be something very bad if he wouldn't wear paid signature. In this way of posting advertisers don't get results what they wanted.

You really don't know answer? It's money, what is big factor to force yourself to post, even if you don't have time for it.

In my opinion, i think we have to leave the campaign out of it all, it is the misdemeanor of the user, the campaign is just running their business in the best way they can by including some bonuses for more posts, they have not implored their parricipants to spam, and i am pretty sure there are participants on the campaign who post as much as they can without doing something that this very user was caught doing. Chipmixer pays for up to 50 posts per week, but it does not bring any spam whatsoever to the forum. People are responsible for their actions and not the campaign they are on.

Having said that, the last case that was similar to this one was handled shrewdly by Carollzinha who is the manager of the campaign, which goes to show that they do not tolerate spam or behaviours such as this.

The Stake has a new campaign thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/openstakecom-new-sign-campaign-l-up-to-160week-l-30-hero-leg-spots-open-5400828

I have already mentioned that some of rules stimulate forum spamming
AndySt seems to have gladly accepted that rule

If you do it once in a while maybe because you're out with your family and had a few minutes to browse the forum and you see something you want to comment on when you get back home might be ok. Doing it all the time kinda makes me feel like it would be due to the owner being a part of a large farm. They go 1 word comment on a bunch of posts and fill in the blanks later.

Good catch here OP. I would like to hear a response from Andyst

I don't know what made @AndySt have this habit, but of course this might have something to do with his inconsistent free time on the forum. I don't know why someone would force themselves to stay active posting and receive payments from certain campaigns if they don't have enough time to be active as expected. This will only raise questions and other unforeseen problems, but of course @AndySt has reasons for doing so.

Now I think @AndySt will have the same consequences as in one of the other cases a while back. The important thing is this will be a good lesson for him and the others.

Such behavior is demonstrated in booking tickets for seats at the cinema. before he makes a post, he marks the place he wants to comment.
I don't know if that would violate forum rules. but after that, he edited the post although sometimes he edited it the next day.
if you want to report spam, maybe an unedited post. but for an edited post, I don't think it will prove anything. the manager may also consider the OP for the behavior @AndySt is showing.

I think you should also contact @AndySt. this can be a warning or a lesson to him about his behavior.

Ah yes, that's the case I was referring to as I remembered I saw similar case before.


Hm I am not so sure about it, as chaser15 has a long history of activity in Phillipines local thread, while AndySt never wrote there and the only local board he was active was the Russian. The only similarity that I can see  is that they were both of part of the Stake campaign when caught doing this.

Yes, you are right, I remembered a similar story.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/chaser15-abusing-the-rules-of-campaign-5395403

I'm starting to think it's the same alternative account. And the OP found it too.

Probably this behavior is becoming popular, but as we understand from the past history, managers do not approve of this. Not quite decent from AndySt.

Yeah that's probably the reason he is doing this, and its not the first one who did something like this in order to meet signature campaign rules. What I am more surprised it that no one reported these type of posts where he would quote someone and wrote only "yes" and sometimes not even that. 

No, what I mean is

The user firstly quoted a post without wrote anything or replied with "Yes" only, in the next day he edited it and express his own opinion about the quoted post.

Example:
Unedited post

I hope you will understand my point, the thing is all of his post has been edited and no one on gambling discussion noticed that.

You can report to the campaign manager or you can also report being marked as spam, if the edited posts don't add anything.

If you have reported it as spam, it is not marked properly, you can quote @AndySt's post here, which you think is a spam post, I will help to report it manually.
maybe other members here can help, if the post is really zero or low value.
The rules explain:

User : AndySt

This user is interesting about his posting behavior, almost of his posts were edited in the next day, I'm surprised no one noticed this because he have doing this for a year and a half. It's not suspicious if he only edited some words or even add more explanation from his current post, but he's quoting a post without wrote anything or giving a mark "Yes". What's the reason he doing this? it's for abusing the campaign rules of must active for 5 days or want to hide from LoyceV and TryNinja for archiving unedited posts? I think he's high likely want to abuse the campaign rules since most of his posts created per week are around 25-28 and spread for 5 days.

He quoted the post that he think he can comment about it, but since he doesn't have enough time, he quoted the post and edited it tomorrow when he have free time. I think this is behind of his behavior.

The stake campaign spreadsheet

Here I will show it based on his latest 10 weeks:
June/13 = He posted on date June 13, 12, 10, 9, 8 (32 posts, spread for 5 days)
June/6 = He posted on date June 6,5, May 31 (25 posts, spread for 3 days)
May/30 = He posted on May 30, 29, 27, 26, 25 (26 posts, spread for 5 days)
May/23 = He posted on May 23, 22, 20, 19, 18 (27 posts, spread for 5 days)
May/16 = He posted on May 16, 15, 13, 12, 11 (29 posts, spread for 5 days)
May/09 = He posted on May 9, 8, 6, 5, 4 (28 posts, spread for 5 days)
May/02 = He posted on May 2, 1, April 30, 29, 28, 27 (28 posts, spread for 6 days)
April/25 = He posted on April 25, 24, 23, 22, 21, 20 (27 posts,  spread for 6 days)
April/18 = He posted on April 18, 17, 15, 14, 13 (27 posts, spread for 5 days)
April/11 = He posted on April 11, 10, 8, 7, 6 (27 posts, spread for 5 days)

This mean in 10 weeks, only 2 weeks he spread one more day, the rest is hit the minimum requirement while the June/6 he failed to met it (perhaps he already communicate with Caroll)

Here is the example where he quoted a post without add anything

More example with such post can be viewed here:
https://ninjastic.space/post/60232037
https://ninjastic.space/post/60232059
https://ninjastic.space/post/60232095
https://ninjastic.space/post/60232121
https://ninjastic.space/post/60238769

Here is the example where he quoted a post and only mark it with "Yes"

More example with such post can be viewed here:
https://ninjastic.space/post/58613461
https://ninjastic.space/post/58603807
https://ninjastic.space/post/58573425
https://ninjastic.space/post/58573461
https://ninjastic.space/post/58603849

Obviously I will PM Caroll about this thread and look how his response about this.