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Topic: [ANN] Bit-pay Merchant Solutions for Charities & Non-Profits - page 2. (Read 4772 times)

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yes, if you get the receipt...which they are not suppose to hand out if they dont know who the donor is. The charity by law must keep record of the source of donations. A terrorist cant give $1 million confidentially to AlQCharity#5 without any records.

I think you are missing the point.  The vast majority of charitable donations are in the $10-$100 range.  You can't do anything large with bitcoins right now anyway, without crashing the market in some form.

The charity can collect the name and address of the donor to put on the receipt.  Perfectly acceptable.

- If the charity views the bitcoins as cash, ok, then offer a cash receipt.
- If the charity views the bitcoins as property, ok, then offer a receipt with the cash value.

There are literally tens of thousands of charities out there, where our feature is perfectly acceptable for small donations.  Let's talk to them. 


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According to my tax adviser, you only need a receipt from the charitable organization for cash donations.  For donations of property where you declare a value, you also only need a receipt if it's $5000 or less.  If it's over $5000, then an appraisal is required.  If anyone donates more than $5000 using bitcoin, you might consider getting a letter ruling from the IRS (or just sell the bitcoins and give them the cash and avoid the hassle).

Edit: but don't trust me, it's all right here: http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=106990,00.html

yes, if you get the receipt...which they are not suppose to hand out if they dont know who the donor is. The charity by law must keep record of the source of donations. A terrorist cant give $1 million confidentially to AlQCharity#5 without any records....nor can you just type in someone else's credit card# for your donation....well thats how its supposed to work. Bitpay saying who the donor is not going to cut it either.

As I said, wait until there is a dispute....but then again, maybe there are some charities willing to put their 501c3 status on the line to accept bitcoins through some payment processor.

I did look at a site, http://www.bitcharity.org/#addresses, which claims a bitcoin address for Amnesty International....which seems like their(bitcharity) address that who knows what happens after that. I didnt see a 501c3 listed there for the direct donations. Freedombox doesnt have any records on the foundation lookup(it doesnt claim to be a 501c3 either)...http://bartlett.oag.state.ny.us/Char_Forms/search_charities.jsp
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According to my tax adviser, you only need a receipt from the charitable organization for cash donations.  For donations of property where you declare a value, you also only need a receipt if it's $5000 or less.  If it's over $5000, then an appraisal is required.  If anyone donates more than $5000 using bitcoin, you might consider getting a letter ruling from the IRS (or just sell the bitcoins and give them the cash and avoid the hassle).

Edit: but don't trust me, it's all right here: http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=106990,00.html
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You need either a bank withdrawl or payroll deduction.

Not exactly.  If the charity gives you a receipt, that is proof enough.  I donate to a local charity all the time.  Save every receipt, and add them up at the end of the year. 

It's too early for EFF.  Charities didn't accept credit cards at first, and then they did.  Charities didn't accept Paypal at first, and then they did.  If EFF says no, ok, there are plenty of other charities out there that will love the benefits that bitcoin offers.
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Im not listing all the problems with your scam.

No scam here, nighteyes.   Charities so far haven't accepted bitcoins because they could not make use of them as bitcoins.  Not every charity operator has the time or the skills to operate a trading account.  Now that the donation can be quickly converted to dollars that the charity can actually use, bitcoins become a viable option.  Regarding recordkeeping, it is up to the donor to keep track of their cost basis for tax purposes.  All they get from the charity, or from bit-pay, is a receipt for the donation.  But with a unique bitcoin address, the transaction can be verified in the blockchain.



https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/06/eff-and-bitcoin

"1. We don't fully understand the complex legal issues involved with creating a new currency system
2. We don't want to mislead our donors.
3. People were misconstruing our acceptance of Bitcoins as an endorsement of Bitcoin."

So no, it wasnt because they could not make use of them.

#2 for record keeping, giving an IRS agent a unique bitcoin address will not satisy the record keeping requirement. You need either a bank withdrawl or payroll deduction. No charity should be authorizing deductions if they dont know who actually gave it. And even if the IRS gave you that point(they wont), good luck explaining the 'verification' in the blockchain. Just wait until someone says they gave $500 and you say it was $100 and start explaining blockchains and bitcoin to the charity.

It is possible to send bitcoins to charity, just not that way. I proposed a 501c3 charity that will accept the bitcoins that will then restrict that donation to be used for the donor purposes...however, there is the issue of the board of directors...and also an open transaction/books system, where the open-source computer program does the transfering without humans....granted I was told the open books system is impossible and probably will be hacked anyway.



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Im not listing all the problems with your scam.

No scam here, nighteyes.   Charities so far haven't accepted bitcoins because they could not make use of them as bitcoins.  Not every charity operator has the time or the skills to operate a trading account.  Now that the donation can be quickly converted to dollars that the charity can actually use, bitcoins become a viable option.  Regarding recordkeeping, it is up to the donor to keep track of their cost basis for tax purposes.  All they get from the charity, or from bit-pay, is a receipt for the donation.  But with a unique bitcoin address, the transaction can be verified in the blockchain.

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1)Both wikileaks and the EFF do not take donations in bitcoin....HINT HINT HINT
2)The charity has liability for what happens with bit-pay...but bit-pay is the same as Visa right? LOL.
3)Someone should read about the record keeping requirements for a charitable contribution.

Im not listing all the problems with your scam.
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Interesting!
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What do you need for, or what are your existing plans, to expand outside of the US?

It's definitely on our plan.  To do it right, we need a legal company and a bank account in every country we want to do business in.  So that will take some time.

However, for transactions under $ 1000, and if the merchant is ok with taking the bitcoins straight-up, we can help them today!
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You must be on the IRS Pub78 list as eligible to receive tax-deductible donations to qualify for the no-charge processing.

So spread the word!

What do you need for, or what are your existing plans, to expand outside of the US?
legendary
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ANY charity can now accept bitcoin donations quickly, and easily!  

I know political parties aren't charities but there are some similarities.

A previous thread had described how Bitcoins couldn't be used in the U.S. for donations to a political party because anonymous donations (over $50 USD) aren't allowed due to federal regulations.  Corporations are a "restricted" class and they are prohibited from making donations directly to candidates thus with anonymous donations there is no way to know the funds weren't a corporate donation.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.77304

Each state makes their own rules for state and local elections so there could be some areas where anonymous donations are allowed:
 - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60594.html

I wonder if there would be some method though where bitcoins could be accepted through Bit-Pay and then donated in whatever manner is allowed.
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EDIT: Should we keep track of which charities have been asked to add bitcoin to their accepted donations? It wouldn't be good if everyone got the bystander effect and said someone else will do it or if everyone spammed the foundation at the same time.

Excellent idea.  There should be a section created in the Wiki for Charities.

More than 1 person asking the same charity is ok, because it gives them a better sense of demand.  Don't spam, just contact charities you already know. 

Tell them you want to make another donation but you only want to use bitcoins!   That will get their attention.

and yes, when you look at all the factors, we think it's a no-brainer for charities to accept bitcoins.  Smiley
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Wow, great work. This is amazing. Pretty much takes out all the negatives that could possibly come with donating via bitcoin (too much work for the charities, possibly not accepting, reduced value of the donation) and transforms bitcoin into the absolute smartest way to receive donations. I could really see this catching on and improving the image of the "BTCommunity" greatly. Thank you!

EDIT: Should we keep track of which charities have been asked to add bitcoin to their accepted donations? It wouldn't be good if everyone got the bystander effect and said someone else will do it or if everyone spammed the foundation at the same time.
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Great concept! I actually know the operator of a small charity in my area... I'm going to have to point him your way and see what he thinks!
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Okay - make sure that's placed out front during the sign up process so charities understand. Otherwise, they'll think they're accidentally signing up as a "merchant" because all the wording is currently geared toward that.

We can do that.  But Visa & Mastercard refer to Charities as Merchants.  It's a generally accepted term for anyone who takes payments, whether you are a corporation or a non-profit.

 
legendary
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Awesome!

When the charity signs up, I notice they go to the default "merchant" sign up page. Is there a step where they indicate whether they're a charity?

Their status as a Charity will be indicated by their EIN.  If they are not registered with the IRS as a charity, then we would treat them like a traditional merchant.


Okay - make sure that's placed out front during the sign up process so charities understand. Otherwise, they'll think they're accidentally signing up as a "merchant" because all the wording is currently geared toward that.
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Awesome!

When the charity signs up, I notice they go to the default "merchant" sign up page. Is there a step where they indicate whether they're a charity?

Their status as a Charity will be indicated by their EIN.  If they are not registered with the IRS as a charity, then we would treat them like a traditional merchant.
legendary
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Democracy is the original 51% attack
Awesome!

When the charity signs up, I notice they go to the default "merchant" sign up page. Is there a step where they indicate whether they're a charity?
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This is actually not a CPU-miner, it's a GPU-miner, and it's almost as efficient as a client-based miner.

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The charity must get setup with bit-pay. If the charity does not, send them this link and tell them they need to accept bitcoin donations!

https://bit-pay.com/forCharities.html

Noted.
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Great job!

Just a thought: bitcoinsforcharity.org had an option before where people could contribute computer hashes to charity. The browser-based miner they used, Krad miner, has since gone off-line, but there is another Webcl-based miner run by http://www.coined.com online. Perhaps you could add an option to let people mine bitcoins for charity via their browser..



the browser-based CPU mining is no longer efficient.  But anyone mining coins, however they mine, can donate those bitcoins to the charity of their choice.  The charity must get setup with bit-pay. If the charity does not, send them this link and tell them they need to accept bitcoin donations!

https://bit-pay.com/forCharities.html
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