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legendary
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BCH Good News For the community of bitcoin cash ( investors and traders )
https://news.bitcoin.com/chinese-exchange-bitasia-now-supports-0-confirmation-bch-transactions/
Earlier this week the Chinese exchange Bitasia announced it started accepting zero-confirmation transactions
Bitcoin cash BCH will be more fast on this exchanger and fresh money will come to in, be ready to up trend  Smiley

And yet there is a nice site that lists loads of double spends on BCH

https://doublespend.cash

0-conf just is not safe under any circumstances



It's save for any coffee - you have issues with reasoning...
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BCH Good News For the community of bitcoin cash ( investors and traders )
https://news.bitcoin.com/chinese-exchange-bitasia-now-supports-0-confirmation-bch-transactions/
Earlier this week the Chinese exchange Bitasia announced it started accepting zero-confirmation transactions
Bitcoin cash BCH will be more fast on this exchanger and fresh money will come to in, be ready to up trend  Smiley

And yet there is a nice site that lists loads of double spends on BCH

https://doublespend.cash

0-conf just is not safe under any circumstances

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The masses decide what 'Bitcoin' is by the adoption and usage exactly how they decide what their search engine or web browser is.

With SW as a SF BTC is a fork as well and it might be the NetscapeAltavista for the masses.

It still follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you if you don't trust or want to use segwit then you don't have to you decide by the type of address you use

If you carry on using legacy addresses then you are using the exact same Bitcoin as you were several years ago nothing changed in that respect the data is still stored in the block in the exact same way as before.

The only time the data structure changes is when you use a segwit enabled address which in laymens terms just moves the signature data from the transaction field to a separate merkle tree that's pretty much it
Again, isnt that because it was closer to a uahf, disguised as a uasf.....in order to prevent a fork off...which led to segwet coin being called btc and retaining the ticker...

As for ltc, did they need a segwit malleability fix aswell in order to use LN?  

The system that was in place was for miners to signal when they was ready in order to activate a improvement this was not a issue when Bitcoin was early and spread out but since asics and large pools becoming the norm it was getting abused as any miner with over 10% could stop something even if 90% agreed

UASF was just that users running a node that activated segwit without the miners so they had 2 choices come along or signal  ready and activate which they did

And yes litecoin needed a malleability fix and chose segwit for LN


The nodes that do nothing and cost nothing to set up out voted the miners lols
The nodes activated a uahf, why do i say this....because a HF isnt forced on you...."follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you" tek

yea i thought litecoin may have had TM issues, was unsure on what cobbles had changed back in the day when making ltc....TM wasn't one of them anyways lol.


Why would litecoin have TM issues anyone can use segwit every Bitcoin fork now automatically has segwit code and litecoin didn't need lightning it wanted it to remain relevant

LN makes commerce simple I purchased some steam vouchers the other day from bitrefill took me about 20 seconds from clicking buy to getting the code email and activating it

Why would litecoin have TM issues  .................. "And yes litecoin needed a malleability fix" your comment above.
anyone can use segwit every Bitcoin fork now automatically has segwit code .....yes it does , thats why bch is special like og btc, the only version that is segwit free (pleeeease dont start that clashit stuff lol)
 litecoin didn't need lightning it wanted it to remain relevant ...id say ltc and blockstream took over and killed of btc the way it was meant to be but stole the ticker.

anyways forget ltc.

Back to this uasf/uahf, ...so you agree it was an uahf activated by useless ,free to create nodes. Tongue

Segwit it nothing more than a malleability fix yes it now allows for larger blocks but that was just a side effect

One of the proposed malleability fixes for BCH is very much segwit-like

Segwit moves the signature out of the transaction area into a separate merkle root that allows for backwards compatibility

BCH's proposed fix moves the signature from the transaction area just the same as segwit but simply moves it to the end instead of to a separate merkle tree but this means it must HF and nobody gets to choose it's forced

hero member
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BCH Good News For the community of bitcoin cash ( investors and traders )
https://news.bitcoin.com/chinese-exchange-bitasia-now-supports-0-confirmation-bch-transactions/
Earlier this week the Chinese exchange Bitasia announced it started accepting zero-confirmation transactions
Bitcoin cash BCH will be more fast on this exchanger and fresh money will come to in, be ready to up trend  Smiley
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US, Korean and Chinese governments are to ban Bitcoin Cash (XEM) token trading
read the press release here http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/3707551  Grin


i would say: unrelated reference.
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legendary
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UASF was a nice event where we could learn how cheap it is to force things

by proof of twitter troll

and

proof of sibyl node

-> this is not good for a high investing community at all

With claiming UASF as a success lots of risk sensitive members have left here
legendary
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The masses decide what 'Bitcoin' is by the adoption and usage exactly how they decide what their search engine or web browser is.

With SW as a SF BTC is a fork as well and it might be the NetscapeAltavista for the masses.

It still follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you if you don't trust or want to use segwit then you don't have to you decide by the type of address you use

If you carry on using legacy addresses then you are using the exact same Bitcoin as you were several years ago nothing changed in that respect the data is still stored in the block in the exact same way as before.

The only time the data structure changes is when you use a segwit enabled address which in laymens terms just moves the signature data from the transaction field to a separate merkle tree that's pretty much it
Again, isnt that because it was closer to a uahf, disguised as a uasf.....in order to prevent a fork off...which led to segwet coin being called btc and retaining the ticker...

As for ltc, did they need a segwit malleability fix aswell in order to use LN?  

The system that was in place was for miners to signal when they was ready in order to activate a improvement this was not a issue when Bitcoin was early and spread out but since asics and large pools becoming the norm it was getting abused as any miner with over 10% could stop something even if 90% agreed

UASF was just that users running a node that activated segwit without the miners so they had 2 choices come along or signal  ready and activate which they did

And yes litecoin needed a malleability fix and chose segwit for LN


The nodes that do nothing and cost nothing to set up out voted the miners lols
The nodes activated a uahf, why do i say this....because a HF isnt forced on you...."follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you" tek

yea i thought litecoin may have had TM issues, was unsure on what cobbles had changed back in the day when making ltc....TM wasn't one of them anyways lol.


Why would litecoin have TM issues anyone can use segwit every Bitcoin fork now automatically has segwit code and litecoin didn't need lightning it wanted it to remain relevant

LN makes commerce simple I purchased some steam vouchers the other day from bitrefill took me about 20 seconds from clicking buy to getting the code email and activating it

Why would litecoin have TM issues  .................. "And yes litecoin needed a malleability fix" your comment above.
anyone can use segwit every Bitcoin fork now automatically has segwit code .....yes it does , thats why bch is special like og btc, the only version that is segwit free (pleeeease dont start that clashit stuff lol)
 litecoin didn't need lightning it wanted it to remain relevant ...id say ltc and blockstream took over and killed of btc the way it was meant to be but stole the ticker.

anyways forget ltc.

Back to this uasf/uahf, ...so you agree it was an uahf activated by useless ,free to create nodes. Tongue
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The masses decide what 'Bitcoin' is by the adoption and usage exactly how they decide what their search engine or web browser is.

With SW as a SF BTC is a fork as well and it might be the NetscapeAltavista for the masses.

It still follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you if you don't trust or want to use segwit then you don't have to you decide by the type of address you use

If you carry on using legacy addresses then you are using the exact same Bitcoin as you were several years ago nothing changed in that respect the data is still stored in the block in the exact same way as before.

The only time the data structure changes is when you use a segwit enabled address which in laymens terms just moves the signature data from the transaction field to a separate merkle tree that's pretty much it
Again, isnt that because it was closer to a uahf, disguised as a uasf.....in order to prevent a fork off...which led to segwet coin being called btc and retaining the ticker...

As for ltc, did they need a segwit malleability fix aswell in order to use LN? 

The system that was in place was for miners to signal when they was ready in order to activate a improvement this was not a issue when Bitcoin was early and spread out but since asics and large pools becoming the norm it was getting abused as any miner with over 10% could stop something even if 90% agreed

UASF was just that users running a node that activated segwit without the miners so they had 2 choices come along or signal  ready and activate which they did

And yes litecoin needed a malleability fix and chose segwit for LN


The nodes that do nothing and cost nothing to set up out voted the miners lols
The nodes activated a uahf, why do i say this....because a HF isnt forced on you...."follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you" tek

yea i thought litecoin may have had TM issues, was unsure on what cobbles had changed back in the day when making ltc....TM wasn't one of them anyways lol.


Why would litecoin have TM issues anyone can use segwit every Bitcoin fork now automatically has segwit code and litecoin didn't need lightning it wanted it to remain relevant

LN makes commerce simple I purchased some steam vouchers the other day from bitrefill took me about 20 seconds from clicking buy to getting the code email and activating it
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Worldwide BCH adoption would simply kill Segwit sooner or later. Adoption will trigger more chip companies like Samsung start building mining rigs for BCH.

So it's actually good news what's bad news? in terms of bitcoin this is very bad but to cover tech giants like samsung i think is very good, let alone apple willing to listen to this news.
legendary
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The masses decide what 'Bitcoin' is by the adoption and usage exactly how they decide what their search engine or web browser is.

With SW as a SF BTC is a fork as well and it might be the NetscapeAltavista for the masses.

It still follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you if you don't trust or want to use segwit then you don't have to you decide by the type of address you use

If you carry on using legacy addresses then you are using the exact same Bitcoin as you were several years ago nothing changed in that respect the data is still stored in the block in the exact same way as before.

The only time the data structure changes is when you use a segwit enabled address which in laymens terms just moves the signature data from the transaction field to a separate merkle tree that's pretty much it
Again, isnt that because it was closer to a uahf, disguised as a uasf.....in order to prevent a fork off...which led to segwet coin being called btc and retaining the ticker...

As for ltc, did they need a segwit malleability fix aswell in order to use LN? 

The system that was in place was for miners to signal when they was ready in order to activate a improvement this was not a issue when Bitcoin was early and spread out but since asics and large pools becoming the norm it was getting abused as any miner with over 10% could stop something even if 90% agreed

UASF was just that users running a node that activated segwit without the miners so they had 2 choices come along or signal  ready and activate which they did

And yes litecoin needed a malleability fix and chose segwit for LN


The nodes that do nothing and cost nothing to set up out voted the miners lols
The nodes activated a uahf, why do i say this....because a HF isnt forced on you...."follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you" tek

yea i thought litecoin may have had TM issues, was unsure on what cobbles had changed back in the day when making ltc....TM wasn't one of them anyways lol.
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Worldwide BCH adoption would simply kill Segwit sooner or later. Adoption will trigger more chip companies like Samsung start building mining rigs for BCH.
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Scaling is here and will come also with Moore.

That things go fine work is done e.g. here


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The masses decide what 'Bitcoin' is by the adoption and usage exactly how they decide what their search engine or web browser is.

With SW as a SF BTC is a fork as well and it might be the NetscapeAltavista for the masses.

It still follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you if you don't trust or want to use segwit then you don't have to you decide by the type of address you use

If you carry on using legacy addresses then you are using the exact same Bitcoin as you were several years ago nothing changed in that respect the data is still stored in the block in the exact same way as before.

The only time the data structure changes is when you use a segwit enabled address which in laymens terms just moves the signature data from the transaction field to a separate merkle tree that's pretty much it
Again, isnt that because it was closer to a uahf, disguised as a uasf.....in order to prevent a fork off...which led to segwet coin being called btc and retaining the ticker...

As for ltc, did they need a segwit malleability fix aswell in order to use LN? 

The system that was in place was for miners to signal when they was ready in order to activate a improvement this was not a issue when Bitcoin was early and spread out but since asics and large pools becoming the norm it was getting abused as any miner with over 10% could stop something even if 90% agreed

UASF was just that users running a node that activated segwit without the miners so they had 2 choices come along or signal  ready and activate which they did

And yes litecoin needed a malleability fix and chose segwit for LN

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Roger will pamp Bitcoin Cash to the moon.

Just watch you muppets.
legendary
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The masses decide what 'Bitcoin' is by the adoption and usage exactly how they decide what their search engine or web browser is.

With SW as a SF BTC is a fork as well and it might be the NetscapeAltavista for the masses.

It still follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you if you don't trust or want to use segwit then you don't have to you decide by the type of address you use

If you carry on using legacy addresses then you are using the exact same Bitcoin as you were several years ago nothing changed in that respect the data is still stored in the block in the exact same way as before.

The only time the data structure changes is when you use a segwit enabled address which in laymens terms just moves the signature data from the transaction field to a separate merkle tree that's pretty much it
Again, isnt that because it was closer to a uahf, disguised as a uasf.....in order to prevent a fork off...which led to segwet coin being called btc and retaining the ticker...

As for ltc, did they need a segwit malleability fix aswell in order to use LN? 
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The masses decide what 'Bitcoin' is by the adoption and usage exactly how they decide what their search engine or web browser is.

With SW as a SF BTC is a fork as well and it might be the NetscapeAltavista for the masses.

It still follows the same chain though is didn't fork off you decide it is not forced on you if you don't trust or want to use segwit then you don't have to you decide by the type of address you use

If you carry on using legacy addresses then you are using the exact same Bitcoin as you were several years ago nothing changed in that respect the data is still stored in the block in the exact same way as before.

The only time the data structure changes is when you use a segwit enabled address which in laymens terms just moves the signature data from the transaction field to a separate merkle tree that's pretty much it
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The masses decide what 'Bitcoin' is by the adoption and usage exactly how they decide what their search engine or web browser is.

With SW as a SF BTC is a fork as well and it might be the NetscapeAltavista for the masses.
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Again, you need to be clearer for reasoning.

The 2x part was just Blockstopped again and damned down to a single dev under max shitstorm.

The last chance to hinder a titanic to sink.

We might agree that with the existence of BCH the stopping task was easier for all the left shitstormers and so it finally went down and lot of old bitcoiners switched over to the bigger boat.

There is no reason why both can't coexist you take your path with a more centralised ecosystem and we will take ours more decentralized and with routing protocols

I have no issues with both coexising the issue I have is that BCH seems to think it's the be all and end all and should be #1 and the constant smear campaign to try and convince everyone that is it the one true bitcoin when it is in fact just a fork trying to leverage the Bitcoin name just the same as any other Bitcoin fork except they all acknowledge that they are just forks and don't try to convince people otherwise.

If BCH would just accept it is a fork and let the technology do the talking more people may be a bit more open minded but when it's being pushed and manipulated by a bunch of criminals to support their agenda then it looses much respect



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Again, you need to be clearer for reasoning.

The 2x part was just Blockstopped again and damned down to a single dev under max shitstorm.

The last chance to hinder a titanic to sink.

We might agree that with the existence of BCH the stopping task was easier for all the left shitstormers and so it finally went down and lot of old bitcoiners switched over to the bigger boat.
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We do not need to repeat all that over and over.

This is about bitcoin cash here and now.

This is not about SW and LN. We know how that happend to btc.

Miners had done most of their scaling tasks long time ago. They were ready to go for bigger blocks.

Blockstopp stepped in and fudded around to fear the miners and now btc 'needs' to run little recon nodes for everybody (lol) to pari against 'evil' miners. (Divide and conquer at work)

Mearchants were ready as well and tried the SW2X...  aaand stopped by brainstoppers

Bitcoin Cash was ready for the full industrial scale, HF, on-chain scaling and open dev - including all parts in the crypto world (ex Blockstoppers)


So let it compete and see what will attract the masses over the next years.



S2X was DOA some even followed through and it failed to even fork it stalled it didn't even make it to the fork block due to the incompetence of those trying so "if" the ones that rallied against it just accepted it like we was "supposed" to then it would have set Bitcoin back a whole lot more than what is going off now

Time will tell but right now things are looking rather bleak for BCH
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